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Re: Art Students can't tell a monkey's painting from art

#321  Postby felltoearth » Mar 18, 2016 9:09 pm

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Re: Art Students can't tell a monkey's painting from art

#322  Postby proudfootz » Mar 18, 2016 10:07 pm

Likewise a tree is 'garbage' because it wasn't designed by an intelligence.

The terms 'art' and 'garbage' and so on are arbitrary when observers can disagree which goes into which category based on what they 'like'.
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Re: Art Students can't tell a monkey's painting from art

#323  Postby Nicko » Mar 18, 2016 10:39 pm

proudfootz wrote:That would help explain why so many people argue about 'art' - it is more subjective than objective.


It's not "more" subjective it's completely subjective.
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Re: Art Students can't tell a monkey's painting from art

#324  Postby proudfootz » Mar 18, 2016 10:58 pm

Nicko wrote:
proudfootz wrote:That would help explain why so many people argue about 'art' - it is more subjective than objective.


It's not "more" subjective it's completely subjective.


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Well, in my defense, I am trying to persuade people who think there is some kind of 'objective' definition of art that they might consider another POV.
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Re: Art Students can't tell a monkey's painting from art

#325  Postby tuco » Mar 18, 2016 11:16 pm

Birds of feather flock together ;)

The late Mr Ecco wrote tons on the subject and it will hopefully never stop to fascinate me. While gegen gusto keine disputat, it would be hard to deny that a kunsthistoric has certain insight into art most people do not have - only if for the fact that s/he been seening lots of kunst and garbage - , sometimes called expertise. I am fine with not being expert, proud cultural barbarian respectively, but I dislike snobs.
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Re: Art Students can't tell a monkey's painting from art

#326  Postby proudfootz » Mar 19, 2016 12:31 am

I feel snobs are beneath my dignity. ;)
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Re: Art Students can't tell a monkey's painting from art

#327  Postby tuco » Mar 19, 2016 12:51 am

Assuming they are cooperative, they only way to find out if they know something or nothing is to enquire about their wisdom.
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Re: Art Students can't tell a monkey's painting from art

#328  Postby Zadocfish2 » Mar 19, 2016 3:37 am

proudfootz wrote:Likewise a tree is 'garbage' because it wasn't designed by an intelligence.

The terms 'art' and 'garbage' and so on are arbitrary when observers can disagree which goes into which category based on what they 'like'.


Art is the most subjective of all subjects. I would immediately throw away any given piece of abstract art I was given that isn't worth money; to me, it's garbage. Someone else could cherish the same piece, and their opinion is just as valid as mine. I'm not saying it's terrible objectively, because many people like it; but in my personal opinion, it's trash.

As for why I hate abstract art, well... with modern art, either you're putting no effort into creating something, or you're putting a ton of emotion and effort into creating something that can equally be created using no effort at all. Because of the subject matter, the level of effort and intent of the artist is impossible to tell. I don't like it because some piece the artist farted out over the course of twenty minutes is completely indistinguishable from a piece that another artist slaved over and poured his heart into.

Does that make any sense?
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Re: Art Students can't tell a monkey's painting from art

#329  Postby proudfootz » Mar 19, 2016 9:33 am

It makes sense.

But likewise someone can make something that might appeal to you aesthetically in 20 minutes, while you hate something someone slaved over.

If learning how long it took, or the amount of effort, changes your emotional response to it that shows that the 'art' is all in your head.
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Re: Art Students can't tell a monkey's painting from art

#330  Postby Mike_L » Mar 19, 2016 9:52 am

A video for Zacdocfish2...

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#331  Postby Zadocfish2 » Mar 19, 2016 9:10 pm

If learning how long it took, or the amount of effort, changes your emotional response to it that shows that the 'art' is all in your head.


Well... that's only a part of it. My big problem is that looking at splotches is looking at splotches to me; that's why it's impossible to tell how much effort is put into it, because to me they all look the fucking same. I don't mean like Picasso, I mean like flicking paint on a canvas or smearing it on with fingers seemingly at random. I hate abstract art because it doesn't portray anything, it can't be judged as a thing, you have to basically guess what anything is or means, and most of the time the obvious conclusion is that it doesn't mean anything and that it isn't anything at all.

And Mike_L, thank you for the video. Glad I'm not the only one.
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Re: Art Students can't tell a monkey's painting from art

#332  Postby proudfootz » Mar 19, 2016 9:14 pm

There's plenty of room for people to like different things.

Me, I like a nice splotch now and again! ;)
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Re: Art Students can't tell a monkey's painting from art

#333  Postby igorfrankensteen » Mar 19, 2016 9:35 pm

Nicko wrote:
proudfootz wrote:That would help explain why so many people argue about 'art' - it is more subjective than objective.


It's not "more" subjective it's completely subjective.


Art is NOT "completely subjective." Only whether it is "good" or not is.
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Re: Art Students can't tell a monkey's painting from art

#334  Postby proudfootz » Mar 19, 2016 9:40 pm

Some people also try to draw an artificial distinction between 'arts' and 'crafts'.
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Re: Art Students can't tell a monkey's painting from art

#335  Postby felltoearth » Mar 22, 2016 12:51 pm

Why can't you like both abstract and figurative art?
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Re: Art Students can't tell a monkey's painting from art

#336  Postby felltoearth » Mar 22, 2016 12:54 pm

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Re: Art Students can't tell a monkey's painting from art

#337  Postby felltoearth » Mar 22, 2016 12:59 pm

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Re: Art Students can't tell a monkey's painting from art

#338  Postby proudfootz » Mar 22, 2016 1:08 pm

Some people prefer the conspiracy theory that 'modern art' is a scam.
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Re: Art Students can't tell a monkey's painting from art

#339  Postby Mike_L » Mar 22, 2016 1:17 pm

It's a Skull and Bones conspiracy and Bush is behind it...!

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Re: Art Students can't tell a monkey's painting from art

#340  Postby The_Piper » Mar 22, 2016 1:19 pm

Wow Bush is painting happy trees now? Smoking them too, I presume. :mrgreen:
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