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Re: Art Students can't tell a monkey's painting from art

#361  Postby Mike_L » Apr 10, 2016 10:02 am

ElDiablo wrote:Here's a very interesting article about a Netflix video of ‘Beltracchi: The Art of Forgery’ Tells How a Swindler Fooled the World

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/19/movies/review-beltracchi-the-art-of-forgery-tells-how-a-swindler-fooled-the-world.html?_r=0

I watched it and was fascinated by the level of deception. He played off the greed of the galleries looking for big sales. In it he states it was easier to sell a $10 million dollar painting than a $10 thousand dollar one.

A revealing spoiler about the depth of the art market greed...
[Reveal] Spoiler:
At the end of the video, he's encouraged by an art dealer to continue doing his copies but with his own signature because they will have a lot more value than his original work. Because they have his signature they are not forgeries.


Interesting! :thumbup:
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Re: Art Students can't tell a monkey's painting from art

#362  Postby ElDiablo » Apr 10, 2016 12:26 pm

proudfootz wrote:New Rembrandt painting.

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Painted by a computer.


The question is, would it fool an expert?
Would it hold up to scrutiny up close?
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Re: Art Students can't tell a monkey's painting from art

#365  Postby Animavore » Jul 13, 2017 3:30 pm

I visited the Irish Museum of Modern Art today. There was some interesting stuff by Paul Laffoley, Jordorowsky, and a really stunning piece by a guy named John Russell (2017) called Filth. But I'm not moved on my view that much of modern art is utter tosh elevated by the pretentious.

I saw such great works as a Saban cymbal hanging from a piece of cord from the ceiling, an inch above the ground, with a lump of granite on the floor beside it. An Adidas tracksuit nailed to a wall. A video of a guy cracking his knuckles. A video of a dead horse being dead for 20 minutes. A blue square in the corner of a purple square. Some writing on a piece of paper. A dining table and chairs with the plastic covering still on them. At one point I even entered a small, empty room linking two exhibits which was lit with UV light and I thought; Is this... art? Or am I just in a violet room? I moved on quickly before someone walked in and saw me standing there like a gobdaw.

Not all bad. There was a really good video on geometry, some great, surreal paintings, and a dark room with crystals on the ground, lit from below, which projected a myriad of spectrum images on the walls and ceiling which evoked images of one of those deep Hubble telescope pictures showing countless galaxies.

Now all this said, I did come across a wonderful collection of hand-painted tarot cards by Austin Oman Spare and all I could think was, They'd make awesome phone covers. So it's possible I'm a complete Philistine.
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Re: Art Students can't tell a monkey's painting from art

#366  Postby ElDiablo » Jul 13, 2017 4:41 pm

Animavore wrote:
I saw such great works as a Saban cymbal hanging from a piece of cord from the ceiling, an inch above the ground, with a lump of granite on the floor beside it. An Adidas tracksuit nailed to a wall. A video of a guy cracking his knuckles. A video of a dead horse being dead for 20 minutes. A blue square in the corner of a purple square. Some writing on a piece of paper. A dining table and chairs with the plastic covering still on them. At one point I even entered a small, empty room linking two exhibits which was lit with UV light and I thought; Is this... art? Or am I just in a violet room? I moved on quickly before someone walked in and saw me standing there like a gobdaw.

These days when I see stuff like the cymbal, I think people have run out of ideas. Marcel Duchamp was doing that stuff much more provocatively 100 years ago. There is some art that is best understood in the context of the era it was created in but I've seen contemporary stuff that just makes me say there are more interesting things in the real world than a gallery.
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Re: Art Students can't tell a monkey's painting from art

#367  Postby Mike_L » Jul 13, 2017 5:02 pm

Animavore wrote:At one point I even entered a small, empty room linking two exhibits which was lit with UV light and I thought; Is this... art? Or am I just in a violet room? I moved on quickly before someone walked in and saw me standing there like a gobdaw.

You could've disrobed and stayed in there a little longer... and got yourself a nice suntan. :grin:
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Re: Art Students can't tell a monkey's painting from art

#368  Postby The_Piper » Jul 13, 2017 5:04 pm

Mike_L wrote:
Animavore wrote:At one point I even entered a small, empty room linking two exhibits which was lit with UV light and I thought; Is this... art? Or am I just in a violet room? I moved on quickly before someone walked in and saw me standing there like a gobdaw.

You could've disrobed and stayed in there a little longer... and got yourself a nice suntan. :grin:

People would have thought he's part of the exhibit. :teef:
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Re: Art Students can't tell a monkey's painting from art

#369  Postby Mike_L » Jul 13, 2017 5:06 pm

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Re: Art Students can't tell a monkey's painting from art

#370  Postby Animavore » Jul 13, 2017 5:38 pm

Turns out it was art. I thought it was just there to keep flies away.
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Re: Art Students can't tell a monkey's painting from art

#371  Postby tuco » Jul 13, 2017 5:54 pm

One could argue its art because it made you ask the question (Is this art?) unlike those tarot cards which you just liked. As ElDiablo noted, the question been answered long ago and will be asked in future and, in this sense, its kinda pointless question.

Now, is art human domain? Can furry monkeys produce art? Which is similar question to nature of "skill" from the AI sniping debate.
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Re: Art Students can't tell a monkey's painting from art

#372  Postby felltoearth » Jul 13, 2017 8:49 pm

Animavore wrote:Turns out it was art. I thought it was just there to keep flies away.


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Re: Art Students can't tell a monkey's painting from art

#373  Postby Animavore » Jul 13, 2017 8:54 pm

I told my work associate of my trip to the gallery earlier, and of the hanging cymbal, and he said, " Well clearly it's cymballic."

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Re: Art Students can't tell a monkey's painting from art

#374  Postby Mike_L » Jul 13, 2017 8:56 pm

Photo-art with dead flies and pencil drawing... :mrgreen:

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#375  Postby Animavore » Jul 13, 2017 8:59 pm

I actually like those. There's something delicious desecration going on.
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Re: Art Students can't tell a monkey's painting from art

#376  Postby Mike_L » Jul 13, 2017 9:03 pm

The insect version of Gunther Von Hagens' 'Body Worlds'. :smile:
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Re: Art Students can't tell a monkey's painting from art

#377  Postby Animavore » Jul 13, 2017 9:04 pm

Body Worlds is in Dublin at the mo'. I might go there next week.
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Re: Art Students can't tell a monkey's painting from art

#378  Postby Mike_L » Jul 13, 2017 9:24 pm

There was apparently some controversy a while ago over one of the exhibits... two corpses engaged in a sex act. Not sure whether or not that one was withdrawn.
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Re: Art Students can't tell a monkey's painting from art

#379  Postby NineBerry » Jul 13, 2017 9:30 pm

This one will be put into a permanent body worlds museum that is going to open here in Heidelberg in a few weeks.
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Re: Art Students can't tell a monkey's painting from art

#380  Postby Mike_L » Jul 13, 2017 9:38 pm

NineBerry wrote:This one will be put into a permanent body worlds museum that is going to open here in Heidelberg in a few weeks.

The sex one?
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