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Re: Marvel Comics recasts superhero Thor - as a woman

#41  Postby Mike_L » Jul 17, 2014 2:10 pm

And...

A superhero for the new world: Black Captain America
2014-07-17

The new Captain America will be black.

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Marvel Chief Creative Officer Joe Quesada announced that Sam Wilson aka The Falcon will take up the shield in the new Marvel comic out this spring, All-New Captain America.

This is the second biggest change announced after Marvel revealed earlier this week that the new Thor will be a woman.
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Re: Marvel Comics recasts superhero Thor - as a woman

#42  Postby babel » Jul 17, 2014 3:35 pm

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Re: Marvel Comics recasts superhero Thor - as a woman

#43  Postby Ironclad » Jul 17, 2014 4:02 pm

Christ ...I might as well dress us as frigging Batman then. What next, Wonder Bloke?!




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Re: Marvel Comics recasts superhero Thor - as a woman

#44  Postby Spinozasgalt » Jul 18, 2014 4:47 am

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#45  Postby Nicko » Apr 17, 2015 11:24 am

A great summing up of why this is a really bad idea.
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#46  Postby Sendraks » Apr 17, 2015 11:29 am

Nicko wrote:A great summing up of why this is a really bad idea.


Seems about right, although it fails slightly on Beta Ray Bill, who clearly wasn't merging with Thor as evidenced by whatever hammer he was holding (Mjolnir or Stormbreaker) he was still Beta Ray Bill.

Which oddly works in support of the argument in that you can still have Thor and another person with Thor powers, who isn't Thor. Regardless of sex or species they are.

So saying this "isn't Thor" has nothing to do with sexism and everything to do with whatever vague shreds of consistency Marvel continuity hangs onto.
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#47  Postby Nicko » Apr 17, 2015 2:31 pm

Sendraks wrote:
Nicko wrote:A great summing up of why this is a really bad idea.


Seems about right, although it fails slightly on Beta Ray Bill, who clearly wasn't merging with Thor as evidenced by whatever hammer he was holding (Mjolnir or Stormbreaker) he was still Beta Ray Bill.


Um, yeah. That's the point.

The people who have "become" Thor have done so by merging with the Son of Odin in some way (Donald Blake, Eric Masterton, Jake Olsen and Red Norvell). Those who have wielded Mjolnir without such a merging (Beta Ray Bill, Steve Rogers and Wonder Woman [crossover]) have not become Thor.

The new wielder is clearly in the latter camp - because she's actually met* the "old" Thor and told him to just fucking man up about the fact that she's stolen his identity and none of his friends seem to give a fuck - yet the writer seems not to get that.

Sendraks wrote:Which oddly works in support of the argument in that you can still have Thor and another person with Thor powers, who isn't Thor. Regardless of sex or species they are.


Absolutely.

Which is irrelevant, as the woman wielding Mjolnir is* running around calling herself Thor. The writer of this abortion of a storyline has specifically stated that this is not just a woman wielding Mjolnir (which would be fine), this is the new Thor.

Which is retarded. Comic book fans will entertain ridiculous storylines; they will not tolerate retarded ones.

Sendraks wrote:So saying this "isn't Thor" has nothing to do with sexism and everything to do with whatever vague shreds of consistency Marvel continuity hangs onto.


You are correct to point out that continuity and "canon" are pretty delicate flowers.

All the more reason not to shit on them from a great height.

To take a hypothetical from another title, it is entirely possible that Doctor Strange could be replaced as "Sorcerer Supreme" of the MCU. Maybe he dies. Maybe he fucks up. Maybe he retires after decades of coping with the immanent destruction of reality every month or so. Regardless, he's gone and someone else needs to step into the breech.

Sounds like an interesting story, no?

The new "Sorcerer Supreme" is a woman.

Alright. No reason why gender should be a bar. At all. Ability is generally what one is looking for in a job that includes the word "supreme" in it's title, and there is no reason why the most qualified candidate must have a penis rather than a vagina secreted within the depths of their funky blue tights.

The new "Sorcerer Supreme" gets the Eye of Agamotto and the big red levitation cloak.

Entirely reasonable. The tools come with the job.

The new "Sorcerer Supreme" installs herself in the Sanctum Sanctorum.

Yep. You get the job, the office comes with. Though you might want to change the name. Google could give you some unfortunate matches these days. Just sayin'.

The new "Sorcerer Supreme" starts calling herself "Dr Stephen Strange". Not only this, but lifelong friends of the real Stephen Strange - who is still wandering around, doing kids birthday parties or something, I mean he's right fucking there - are apparently cool with this and just go along with it. Not only that, but Stephen Strange himself insists that people stop calling him by his own fucking name, as someone else is "more worthy".

Wait, what? Why would they do that? Why would he do that? Why would she do that?

Because, if they don't, they hate women. And so does anyone who has a problem with this story.

That's literally what has been going on in Thor recently. It's honestly like the writer is trying to tell the entire fanbase - not to mention the new readers attracted through the film franchises - to go and get fucked.

The thing is, this is the "man with tits" meme writ in its most literal form. It's not even a metaphor.








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Re: Marvel Comics recasts superhero Thor - as a woman

#48  Postby Sendraks » Apr 17, 2015 2:42 pm

Nicko wrote:You are correct to point out that continuity and "canon" are pretty delicate flowers.

All the more reason not to shit on them from a great height.


Marvel has a poor track record in not shitting on its canon from a great height, although recently the first place medal has gone to DC for its epic "new 52" clusterfuck.

So yeah, I agree that the big publishers don't treat their canon with respect and fans rightly get pissed off about it.

Having a female "thor-like" character, is one thing.
Claiming that character is "Thor" when it clearly isn't "Thor" is just, well, just shit writing.
Having an alternate universe Thor, where is Thor is the "first daughter of Odin" would be fine. Why the hell not?
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#49  Postby Nicko » Apr 17, 2015 2:50 pm

Sendraks wrote:Having a female "thor-like" character, is one thing.
Claiming that character is "Thor" when it clearly isn't "Thor" is just, well, just shit writing.
Having an alternate universe Thor, where is Thor is the "first daughter of Odin" would be fine. Why the hell not?


Absolute agreement with all three.

Perhaps I have wrongly inferred from the cohesive way Marvel has rolled out the successive stages of it's cinematic adaptions that it has its shit together.

I shall strive to lower my expectations.
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#50  Postby Scar » Apr 17, 2015 2:57 pm

So what's the story so far? Female Thor showed up all of a sudden and Thor doesn't have his hammer anymore (for unexplained reasons?) and everyone acts like that's just alright?

Maybe some kind of reality changing event will be revealed?
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#51  Postby Ironclad » Apr 17, 2015 3:16 pm

You can't just take Thor's Hammer and become a magically uniformed legend, Thor himself couldn't lift the Hammer unaided - he wasn't strong enough.
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#52  Postby Mike_L » Apr 17, 2015 4:20 pm

The upside of this is that lots of lovely cosplay ladies have got in on the act (and into the costume)... :naughty2:

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#53  Postby Nicko » Apr 17, 2015 4:32 pm

Scar wrote:So what's the story so far? Female Thor showed up all of a sudden and Thor doesn't have his hammer anymore (for unexplained reasons?) and everyone acts like that's just alright?


Pretty fucking much.

No one's too sure - including, I suspect, the writer - as to what exactly made the original Thor "unworthy" of Mjolnir.

Scar wrote:Maybe some kind of reality changing event will be revealed?


That's probably Marvel's best bet to retcon this shit out of continuity.

It's not like there's a dearth of MCU characters who could plausibly pass their name on to a female successor (assuming that one finds a woman taking over the legacy of a man as opposed to establishing herself in her own right at all empowering). No, they have to do this rubbish.
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#54  Postby Nicko » Apr 17, 2015 4:37 pm

Mike_L wrote:The upside of this is that lots of lovely cosplay ladies have got in on the act (and into the costume)... :naughty2:

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Considering the "current" Thor has a helmet with a mask (presumably to assist the writer in covering his total inability to explain any of this shit), these ladies are properly considered part of the gender-bending tradition of the cosplay community. None of them are wearing the uniform sported by the woman wielding Mjolnir in the comic.
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#55  Postby willhud9 » Apr 30, 2015 9:44 pm

The thing that always strikes me as odd is I grew up reading my dad's comic books. I grew up with all of Marvels heroes and villains and they had some kickass female heroes. Jean Gray and Storm of the X-Men remain my top 2 superheroes. They have strong female heroes such as Warbird/Ms. Marvel, Jessica Jones, Susan Storm/Invisible Woman, a ton of awesome X-Men, Elektra, etc. I never considered there to be a lack of female heroines. However, I never saw it as a negative if a new character was created or if a title was passed down.

Captain America, Ghost Rider, Sorcerer Supreme, are all titles that you can change the character playing them including their gender and race. That is fine by me.

But Thor...?
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#56  Postby Scar » Apr 30, 2015 9:55 pm

Good point. I agree. There's always been awesome female heroes as far as I can tell
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#57  Postby Animavore » Apr 30, 2015 10:06 pm

Ironclad wrote:You can't just take Thor's Hammer and become a magically uniformed legend, Thor himself couldn't lift the Hammer unaided - he wasn't strong enough.


Sounds like a euphemistic Viagra ad.
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#58  Postby DougC » Apr 30, 2015 10:16 pm

I always thought Martha Washington would be a great movie.

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#59  Postby KeenIdiot » May 01, 2015 12:36 am

I have have some problems with the comics. This new Thor is being set up as being simply better than the original Thor, without the years of practice Thor\Odinson has had with the hammer.
Sure, she could become better over time due to characteristics that the original guy lacks, but from the get go she is just supposed to be better with the hammer.
Then there is one issue where she faces a villainous couple, only for the woman to knock out her boyfriend and surrender because its so hard to try to establish yourself as a woman and be taken seriously.
Really.
Even though as a different, "better" Thor, it would have been a good fight showing her strengths against usually pretty tough villains to defeat.

Cheapens the character, even though I have been enjoying the story overall.
Especially the side story of Thor/Odinson trying to track down the identity of Lady Thor.
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#60  Postby tuco » May 01, 2015 7:51 am

WOW do you guys really consider this? To me its like when playing RPG someone refuses to lower Intelligence of character to 3 from "role-playing" point of view .. oh really? lol

Those are fairy tales, anything is possible. To look for logic or consistency .. alright but I guess I lack the imagination needed.
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