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Re: Oscars: CRIME against CINEMA! Boo for Nationalism.

#41  Postby Julia » Mar 08, 2010 1:11 pm

Ilovelucy wrote: My point is that as far as stories are concerned, the really is no such thing as originality, it's the same stories and heroes going back to the dawn of culture.


Yes, of course, but the story has to be well-done and there has to be something new about it. Avatar's script was just awful--cliche-ridden and predictible, with no new twist or fresh perspective at all. It was like something a 13 year old would write, with lines and scenarios taken right out of other movies and, except for the blue aliens and pretty planet, nothing new or original at all.
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#42  Postby David M » Mar 08, 2010 1:37 pm

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David M wrote:I don't have a problem with Hurt Locker beating Avatar for Best Picture.

Avatar was visually stunning, but the characters were shallow and the plot was thin and derivative. Ok Hurt Locker wasn't realistic but its a movie ffs, if you want realism watch a documentary. However the characters had a lot more depth and the story was superior.

So yeah, Hurt Locker was more deserving of Best Picture than Avatar.


Well, even if Hurt Locker was more deserving of Best Picture than Avatar, was Hurt Locker better than Inglourious Basterds? District 9?.


Haven't seen Inglourious Basterds but Hurt Locker was better than District 9 IMO.
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#43  Postby Shrunk » Mar 08, 2010 1:53 pm

I don't have an opinion on whether The Hurt Locker deserved to win, not having seen most of the other nominated pictures yet (including Avatar). However, the impression I took from Hurt Locker was that it was deeply against the Iraq war. As it was depicted in the picture, even with the best intentions it is impossible for the soldiers on the ground to achieve a "victory" in any conventional sense of the word, nor to avoid inflaming the anti-American views of the average Iraqis, and thereby of the Islamic world as a whole, just by the nature of the military intervention required. Whether this was the intentions of the film makers, I have no idea. But it's certainly the message I took from it.

On a different note, could the winners from Precious have been more sanctimonious even if they tried?
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#44  Postby I'm With Stupid » Mar 08, 2010 2:53 pm

Ilovelucy wrote:As for the Oscars, they're bullshit. It's the votes of a select academy that follows plenty of politicking and media campaigns from the nominees. No-one should really take them seriously, most film makers certainly don't and neither do most film lovers.

Exactly. You're complaining about nationalism at an awards ceremony where the "Best Picture" has to be in English ffs. The sheer law of averages says that pretty much everything in the Foreign Language category deserves to be named the best picture ahead of what actually won it.
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#45  Postby Ilovelucy » Mar 08, 2010 3:22 pm

Julia wrote:
Ilovelucy wrote: My point is that as far as stories are concerned, the really is no such thing as originality, it's the same stories and heroes going back to the dawn of culture.


Yes, of course, but the story has to be well-done and there has to be something new about it. Avatar's script was just awful--cliche-ridden and predictible, with no new twist or fresh perspective at all. It was like something a 13 year old would write, with lines and scenarios taken right out of other movies and, except for the blue aliens and pretty planet, nothing new or original at all.


And therein lies a wealth of presumption about what counts as a good film. A film with a novel plot and novel dialogue but with dour art direction and the same ideas about the world is labelled as good; whereas a film with a familiar plot and dialogue but is visually inventive, with plenty of novel ideas contained in its world is labelled as bad.

Woody Allen has pointed out that one reason why he makes some films in black and white is because of the complexity of the plot. He pares down the pallet and the dynamics of the editing, scenery and camera angles so that people can centre in on the information being conveyed by the plot and the dialogue. Avatar is on the other end of the scale, if Cameron had attached a novel, complex plot and novel dialogue onto such a visually deep and complex art design, viewers would have been lost to it. The clichéd dialogue mirrors the fact that most common speech is riddled with clichés, and the familiar plot makes an easy point of access into the world it formulates.

Avatar is all about the alien world and the idea contained within. Those ideas tell us more about our culture than many other worthy and convoluted plots that satisfy others as a good plot. I think there are a ton of flaws and contradictions within Avatar but I have a feeling that it will remain in the collective consciousness for a far longer time than the other nominees.

*edited to clarify that Avatar wasn't directed by Woody Allen. Wonder how that would have turned out...
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#46  Postby Julia » Mar 08, 2010 3:26 pm

I'm sorry but when an adult cannot watch a movie without wincing every 2 minutes at the hack-job of a script, it is NOT a good movie. Nobody said the plot has to be "complex" either. The script was shite and that makes all the difference.
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#47  Postby Ilovelucy » Mar 08, 2010 3:29 pm

Julia wrote:I'm sorry but when an adult cannot watch a movie without wincing every 2 minutes at the hack-job of a script, it is NOT a good movie. Nobody said the plot has to be "complex" either. The script was shite and that makes all the difference.


I guess the fact that I immersed myself into the visual world of the film and mused on what it said about capitalism, technology and how we immerse ourselves into virtual worlds in order to contemplate nature stops me being an adult then.

It was cool watching stuff blow up too. Though I hear stuff blows up in The Hurt Locker as well, but in a much more complicated, political and nuanced way.
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#48  Postby Shrunk » Mar 08, 2010 3:47 pm

To my mind, the most important task for a film is to create a credible, believable world. This doesn't have to be thru the use of elaborate special effects and art direction, in the manner of movies like Avatar or Blade Runner, though that is certainly one way to go about it. I'm thinking of one of the more underappreciated films of last year, Adventureland, which seemed to get all the little details right about what it would be like to spend a summer working at a carnival. Whether those details were accurate, I have no idea. But the jargon spoken by the characters, the music they listened to, the social hierarchies that existed between the the various characters were all rendered in sufficient detail and with enough consistency that I felt I had entered a universe that I would otherwise never have known. Once a film gets that right, it's at least a partial success in my eyes.
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#49  Postby SpiritualNotReligius » Mar 08, 2010 4:07 pm

Cameron's ex was the director who won. He is quoted all over the place prior to the oscars that he would be as thrilled for her as himself because she is a good director.

I concur with ilovelucy completely on no story is original. Avatar was either loved or hated but most loved it for what it was popularized to be, stunning in its' graphics. I went the first time simply based on hearing the graphics were good and wasn't disappointed at all. I went the second time to get more of the fabulous graphics.

I also agree with his/her statement that had Avatar been too focused on attracting the intellect, it would have been lost to most because of the novelty of the film. As I mentioned in one review, I don't go to the big screen when the movie is for my intellect. For that I like to sit in my lounge and watch a DVD. Avatar had me paying twice and planned on a 3rd at an IMAX but didn't make it.
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#50  Postby Shaker » Mar 08, 2010 4:31 pm

I'm sorry but when an adult cannot watch a movie without wincing every 2 minutes at the hack-job of a script, it is NOT a good movie.

Which adult? The intellectual ones (you know, those who can hear Rossini's William Tell Overture without thinking of the Lone Ranger) or the dullards like me who just went along to enjoy a few hours of escapist entertainment?
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#51  Postby SpiritualNotReligius » Mar 08, 2010 5:15 pm

Shaker wrote:
Which adult? The intellectual ones (you know, those who can hear Rossini's William Tell Overture without thinking of the Lone Ranger)


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#52  Postby rachelbean » Mar 08, 2010 6:16 pm

I enjoyed Avatar a lot, I just don't think it deserved awards beyond the special effects. My personal favorites in the best picture category were Inglorious Basterds, District 9, and Up, but I didn't expect any of them to win so I hoped for Hurt Locker over Avatar. Look...'Shakespeare in Love' won an Oscar, so I wonder how people take them so seriously.
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#53  Postby Julia » Mar 08, 2010 6:18 pm

Shaker wrote:
I'm sorry but when an adult cannot watch a movie without wincing every 2 minutes at the hack-job of a script, it is NOT a good movie.

Which adult? The intellectual ones (you know, those who can hear Rossini's William Tell Overture without thinking of the Lone Ranger) or the dullards like me who just went along to enjoy a few hours of escapist entertainment?


Yes, this adult here. The script was soooo bad that I found myself rolling my eyes every 2 minutes, it seemed. You know how a badly-written novel can make it hard to enjoy the story? It was like that for me. That's not to say that I couldn't enjoy the whole pretty colors fantasy thing going on, but the flaws in the movie were certainly more than enough to make it not deserve Best Picture or Best Director.
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#54  Postby Julia » Mar 08, 2010 6:21 pm

rachelsinatra wrote:I enjoyed Avatar a lot, I just don't think it deserved awards beyond the special effects. My personal favorites in the best picture category were Inglorious Basterds, District 9, and Up, but I didn't expect any of them to win so I hoped for Hurt Locker over Avatar. Look...'Shakespeare in Love' won an Oscar, so I wonder how people take them so seriously.


Shakespeare in Love was actually a very well-done movie, imo. A movie doesn't have to deal with big, "important" themes to be a good movie.
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#55  Postby rachelbean » Mar 08, 2010 6:31 pm

Julia wrote:
Shakespeare in Love was actually a very well-done movie, imo. A movie doesn't have to deal with big, "important" themes to be a good movie.


I agree, I just don't think it was a great movie. I look for something more in a best picture winner. I watched it and thought "well, that was moderately enjoyable" and never thought about it again. That's just my opinion though :dunno:
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#56  Postby Eduard » Mar 08, 2010 6:33 pm

rachelsinatra wrote:I enjoyed Avatar a lot, I just don't think it deserved awards beyond the special effects. My personal favorites in the best picture category were Inglorious Basterds, District 9, and Up, but I didn't expect any of them to win so I hoped for Hurt Locker over Avatar. Look...'Shakespeare in Love' won an Oscar, so I wonder how people take them so seriously.


Spot on! Personally Im a bit disappointed that District 9 and Inglourious Basterds didn't win anything. Glad UP got one :clap:
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#57  Postby HughMcB » Mar 08, 2010 6:47 pm

I liked the Hurt Locker and thought it was a far more deserving film to win on both counts, so there! :nanana:
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#58  Postby Tangerine Dream » Mar 08, 2010 6:49 pm

CHINESE WRITER CLAIMS AVATAR HAS A PLOT

CHINESE novelist Zhou Shaomou has sensationally claimed that James Cameron's Avatar has a plot.


According to opinion polls 98% of people would never admit that Avatar was their idea
Shaomou, whose name means 'Michael Jackson lyric' in Mandarin, is suing the director for £97m after stating that Avatar lifted several key story details from his novel Blue People Of The Allegory Mountains.

He said: "My reputation is in tatters now everybody knows I write stuff that could be turned into something like Avatar.

"I'm an absolute joke in the fantasy fiction community, which as you can imagine takes quite some doing.

"I spent seven years writing my 1.2 million word book, only for James Cameron to make a fortune out of it by trimming it to 18 hours, adding loads of brilliant explosions, marketing it really well, having an innate sense of populist tastes and... well... look, that's not the point.

"Oh, and then there's the 3D. Have you seen the 3D? Good lord."

Shaomou claims he first noticed the similarities when the film passed the $1bn mark at the box office, adding: "I suddenly realised there was something very familiar about all that money."

Entertainment law specialist, Nathan Muir, said: "Shamou doesn't stand a chance. Any half-decent lawyer will be able to prove that the Avatar storyline is what happens when a maniac rolls around the New Age section of Waterstone's covered in Blu Tac."

Last night James Cameron rejected accusations of plagiarism adding: "You talkin' to me? Because frankly my dear, I don't give a damn. But go ahead, make my day because I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it any more."

He added: "And by the way, we're going to need a bigger boat."
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#59  Postby Tangerine Dream » Mar 08, 2010 6:51 pm

WOMAN COMPLETES FILM WITHOUT BANGING IT INTO OTHER FILM
KATHRYN Bigelow was last night honoured for completing a film without bumping it into any other films in the immediate vicinity.


'It certainly chafes'
The director of The Hurt Locker became the first woman to win an Oscar for managing to put a film in a cinema without having a nervous breakdown, tearfully swapping insurance details with another director or leaving it poking out of the cinema at a really selfish angle.

She said: "There were times when I thought, 'this is too difficult' and this camera thingy doesn't work properly and all the other films are too close together.

"I almost swapped seats with my husband and told him to finish it. But then I took a big, deep breath, moved the film back to where I started and tried another 68 times."

According to the poster The Hurt Locker tells the story of the emotional traumas of a group of 19th century deep sea divers who find themselves caught up in the chaos of post war Iraq.

After realising they are trapped in the future they decide to make themselves useful by defusing bombs while protected by their heavy boots and shiny, bulbous helmets.

Elsewhere Jeff Bridges finally became the first Jeff Bridges to win Best Actor for his 18th portrayal of a very slightly different version of himself.

Sandra Bullock became only the 82nd woman to win Best Actress for her portrayal of one of those screechy, under-educated mothers that Americans seem to love but everyone else would like to stab in the arm and push into a shark tank.

James Cameron's Avatar was inexplicably nominated for nine awards but took just three, including Best Eight Foot Tall Blue Cat People Made on a Laptop, Best Three Dimensional Exploding Tree and Best Film in an Embarrassing Made-Up Language.

Meanwhile Sandy Powell was the only British triumph of the evening, winning Best Costume Design for dressing lots of actors playing Victorians in Victorian costumes that she obviously just copied out of a book.

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#60  Postby BrandySpears » Mar 08, 2010 6:53 pm

I am thrilled that THE COVE won Best Documentary. May Japan be embarrassed.

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