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#1081  Postby Scot Dutchy » Oct 17, 2018 5:47 pm

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Scot Dutchy wrote:IYHO. OK


Not just mine.

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Re: Photography/cameras and associated gear thread.

#1082  Postby Alan B » Oct 17, 2018 5:49 pm

I've often been tempted to get my Contax 167 (Carl Zeisse f1.4 50mm) going again. I replaced it with a Minolta Dynax 7 because I wanted something 'more modern' with all them extra buttons and a fancy menu system - silly me.
Problem is that the mirror on the Contax is scratched and needs to be replaced. Tried London Camera Exchange - no chance.
Proper camera shops/repairers in the Midlands are a bit rare since Jacobs closed..
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Re: Photography/cameras and associated gear thread.

#1083  Postby Macdoc » Oct 17, 2018 6:25 pm

Of course. Those experts.


FFS ....there is no way an analogue system from the 19th century comes near the fidelity of a modern digital system....but that's not to say it's not a pleasant sound from vinyl for similar reasons people like the warmer sound of tube amps.
Fidelity is not always pleasant ....just as a warm glow filter covers up the digital faults in a photo.

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Re: Photography/cameras and associated gear thread.

#1084  Postby felltoearth » Oct 17, 2018 6:31 pm

Scot Dutchy wrote:
felltoearth wrote:
Scot Dutchy wrote:IYHO. OK


Not just mine.

https://www.vox.com/2014/4/19/5626058/v ... r-than-cds


Of course. Those experts.

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Re: Photography/cameras and associated gear thread.

#1085  Postby Scot Dutchy » Oct 18, 2018 8:08 am

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Of course. Those experts.


FFS ....there is no way an analogue system from the 19th century comes near the fidelity of a modern digital system....but that's not to say it's not a pleasant sound from vinyl for similar reasons people like the warmer sound of tube amps.
Fidelity is not always pleasant ....just as a warm glow filter covers up the digital faults in a photo.

And yes I have the expertise to make that statement.


What expertise is that?
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#1086  Postby felltoearth » Oct 18, 2018 11:51 am

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It is quite incredible but vinyl made a come back due to sound quality.

You kicked this off with this statement. Maybe you want to back up this assertion.
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#1087  Postby zulumoose » Oct 18, 2018 12:01 pm

I think it would be more accurate to say vinyl came back due to beliefs about sound quality.
The stated motivation from many was definitely better sound quality, but the reality was probably more a mixture of snobbishness/nostalgia/stubbornness/capital and emotional investment/marketing spin.
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#1088  Postby Animavore » Oct 18, 2018 12:05 pm

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#1089  Postby felltoearth » Oct 18, 2018 1:55 pm

zulumoose wrote:I think it would be more accurate to say vinyl came back due to beliefs about sound quality.
The stated motivation from many was definitely better sound quality, but the reality was probably more a mixture of snobbishness/nostalgia/stubbornness/capital and emotional investment/marketing spin.

I even doubt that. I think it was pure nostalgia.

Still waiting for Scot to weigh in on his assertion though.
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#1090  Postby Scot Dutchy » Oct 18, 2018 2:14 pm

Well you will waiting for the mods to come along then. You back that assertion with what?

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#1091  Postby Macdoc » Oct 18, 2018 4:31 pm

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It is quite incredible but vinyl made a come back due to sound quality.


Ummmm you made the claim......back it up, as vinyl can never equal digital fidelity - some might prefer it's sound but that's a far cry from quality or fidelity.
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#1092  Postby Scot Dutchy » Oct 18, 2018 4:44 pm

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It is quite incredible but vinyl made a come back due to sound quality.


Ummmm you made the claim......back it up, as vinyl can never equal digital fidelity - some might prefer it's sound but that's a far cry from quality or fidelity.


Where is your proof it is not or are we going to play another childish round?

The same goes for visual. People dont always want perfection at any cost.
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Re: Photography/cameras and associated gear thread.

#1093  Postby felltoearth » Oct 18, 2018 4:56 pm

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It is quite incredible but vinyl made a come back due to sound quality.


Ummmm you made the claim......back it up, as vinyl can never equal digital fidelity - some might prefer it's sound but that's a far cry from quality or fidelity.


Where is your proof it is not or are we going to play another childish round?

The same goes for visual. People dont always want perfection at any cost.


So you’re saying it’s not better quality but a perference in how it sounds.
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#1094  Postby Alan B » Oct 18, 2018 6:56 pm

This vinyl thingy, does it use 35mm... ? :scratch:
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#1095  Postby felltoearth » Oct 18, 2018 7:11 pm

Alan B wrote:This vinyl thingy, does it use 35mm... ? :scratch:

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#1096  Postby Scot Dutchy » Oct 19, 2018 10:09 am

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Scot Dutchy wrote:

It is quite incredible but vinyl made a come back due to sound quality.


Ummmm you made the claim......back it up, as vinyl can never equal digital fidelity - some might prefer it's sound but that's a far cry from quality or fidelity.


Where is your proof it is not or are we going to play another childish round?

The same goes for visual. People dont always want perfection at any cost.


So you’re saying it’s not better quality but a perference in how it sounds.


When did I say perfect sound quality? A presumption made by so called "qualified" perfectionists who think that is all to be desired.
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#1097  Postby Fallible » Oct 19, 2018 11:28 am

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#1098  Postby Scot Dutchy » Oct 19, 2018 11:42 am

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#1099  Postby felltoearth » Oct 19, 2018 11:53 am

Scot Dutchy wrote:
felltoearth wrote:
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Macdoc wrote:

Ummmm you made the claim......back it up, as vinyl can never equal digital fidelity - some might prefer it's sound but that's a far cry from quality or fidelity.


Where is your proof it is not or are we going to play another childish round?

The same goes for visual. People dont always want perfection at any cost.


So you’re saying it’s not better quality but a perference in how it sounds.


When did I say perfect sound quality? A presumption made by so called "qualified" perfectionists who think that is all to be desired.


Usually when people talk about quality, it’s that one is objectively better than the other. If you had said “people choose vinyl because they prefer how it sounds,” you would have better represented what you were trying to say.
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Re: Photography/cameras and associated gear thread.

#1100  Postby Macdoc » Oct 19, 2018 12:56 pm

exactly...there is a subjective aspect to music and there is an objective aspect ....fidelity. No vinyl process can match the accuracy and preserved dynamic range of a digital recording.

Just as a Strad may play the same notes with the same technique of a piece....for most it will sound far better than the dime store violin. There is a measurable difference between the two instruments but are both the same fidelity to the written music?

Some do prefer vinyl just has some prefer tube amps or one brand of speakers over another....there is a question of whether digitizing loses some of the over tones and harmonics but as far as fidelity goes ....digital wins hands down.

The excursion of a loud speaker ( dynamic range ) the digital recording can provide would jump the stylus right out of the groove if it was tried in vinyl so the engineers limit it and right there fidelity is lost.

I mean after all, Bose continues to sell to the unwitting. :coffee:
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