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Satsuma Vase Meiji Dynasty Super-ornate, Valuation?

#1  Postby aufbahrung » Aug 08, 2020 2:24 pm

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#2  Postby laklak » Aug 08, 2020 2:30 pm

At least a fiver.
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#3  Postby newolder » Aug 08, 2020 2:37 pm

Does it come with that "super-ornate" inverted ashtray for a stand too?
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#4  Postby Hermit » Aug 08, 2020 3:27 pm

Right now there are 520 Satsuma Meiji Vases offered on ebay. Asking prices range from $10.43 to $24,000. I suggest ebay is a good starting point for you to do some homework.
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#5  Postby Svartalf » Aug 08, 2020 4:17 pm

ancient? look bub, you don't call 'ancient' something that's barely 150 years old. and let's face it, that vase is garish, even if that was the taste of the time in Japanese export porcelain.
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#6  Postby felltoearth » Aug 08, 2020 4:27 pm

My valuation is that it’s not big enough for an umbrella stand, too big for a tooth brush holder
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#7  Postby Fallible » Aug 08, 2020 11:24 pm

I don’t like it.
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#8  Postby The_Piper » Aug 08, 2020 11:44 pm

Cool. I see stuff like that at yard sales and flea markets all the time. Turn it upside down, maybe it has a Bed, Bath, And Beyond sticker on the bottom. :shifty:
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#9  Postby The_Piper » Aug 08, 2020 11:50 pm

It's a vase, it holds water for flowers. Is there something else they do, and I've been underestimating them my whole life? Granted in the caveman days, that was worth the price of a whole cave. Something to carry water with besides your bladder!
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#10  Postby Hermit » Aug 09, 2020 12:05 am

Someone has placed a similar looking one to the above on ebay's auction block. Starting price is £9.99. With just under four days to go nobody has put in a bid for it yet.

The Wikipedia article about Satsuma ware is rather damning. According to it, later period Satsuma ware is regarded by art dealers and collectors as rubbish. In Japan it is regarded as betrayal of Japanese values. A lot of the stuff is mass produced and there is no shortage of counterfeits.

Based on the above I'd be surprised if Aufbahrung will get more than £25 for his piece.
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#11  Postby BlackBart » Aug 09, 2020 6:50 am

Looks like early Wu Tang to me. But what do I know? I'm just a random stranger on an Internet forum totally unrelated to antique appraisals. :coffee:
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#12  Postby aufbahrung » Aug 09, 2020 9:32 am

I did try this with a ashtray one time somewhere. Same effect. Wanted to start a discussion on antiques, change the moribund atmosphere. I think it is quite a nice vase, in the correct setting, perhaps a 1920s opium den or brothel. You all lack my imagination...I guess?
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#13  Postby BlackBart » Aug 09, 2020 9:40 am

What moribund atmosphere?
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#14  Postby aufbahrung » Aug 09, 2020 9:49 am

Let's just say the negative threads I start are all winners around here, so I'm trying my hand at something positive for a change.
Vases. Shimazu crest along with obvious baroque expertise in the enamel etc marks this one out as genuine , and so of mid to max value range for this style of pottery. Won't find that info in a wiki though.
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#15  Postby aufbahrung » Aug 09, 2020 10:02 am

This might be a more helpful source for satsuma info...

https://www.invaluable.com/blog/satsuma-pottery/
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#16  Postby Hermit » Aug 09, 2020 10:04 am

BlackBart wrote:What moribund atmosphere?

The one he cultivates with his series of end of civilisation scenarios. The irony of his post is breathtaking.
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#17  Postby Hermit » Aug 09, 2020 10:11 am

aufbahrung wrote:Shimazu crest along with obvious baroque expertise in the enamel etc marks this one out as genuine , and so of mid to max value range for this style of pottery.

Your vase was made somewhere between 1900 and 1940. It is bottom of the barrel stuff. You'll find out when you put it up for sale.
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#18  Postby aufbahrung » Aug 09, 2020 10:14 am

Hermit wrote:
aufbahrung wrote:Shimazu crest along with obvious baroque expertise in the enamel etc marks this one out as genuine , and so of mid to max value range for this style of pottery.

Your vase was made somewhere between 1900 and 1940. It is bottom of the barrel stuff. You'll find out when you put it up for sale.


Your only saying that to get a good price on ebay.
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#19  Postby BlackBart » Aug 09, 2020 10:16 am

aufbahrung wrote:Let's just say the negative threads I start are all winners around here, so I'm trying my hand at something positive for a change.


Try upping your delivery then. A jpeg of a vase with nothing more than 'valuation?' is going to get the responses it deserves.

Vases. Shimazu crest along with obvious baroque expertise in the enamel etc marks this one out as genuine , and so of mid to max value range for this style of pottery. Won't find that info in a wiki though.


Try looking at piper's "The "What Is This?" Thread" - If piper can make rusty bits of tat entertaining, I'm sure a thread about ming vases can be started without sending it's audience into a coma.
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#20  Postby newolder » Aug 09, 2020 10:28 am

5, 4, 3, too lat... [/consciousness]
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