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Re: The Guitar Thread

#501  Postby Animavore » Jan 05, 2019 10:12 am

Yet again simple beginner lessons from Justin Guitar show why my attempts to learn from tab years ago was doomed to fail. Knowing basic rhythm stuff like counting out the beats helps immensely.

Example, the main riff from Painkiller in tab.

A 7-- 5-- 7-- 8-- 70--
E -00-00-00-00--30

(Where bolds are palm mutes and italics pull-offs)

Instinctively I'd be tempted to put the A string, unmuted notes on the beats and wondering why it sounds wrong.

Once you count it in it becomes more clear where the accented notes actually land.

7 0 0 5 0 0 7 0 0 8 0 0 7 0 3 0
1 e & a 2 e & a 3 e & a 4 e & a

Which just happens to match this rhythm pattern taught here.

https://www.justinguitar.com/guitar-les ... r-2-im-125

Stuff you all know I'm sure but maybe an advisory to anyone thinking they can do it all on their own. Also demonstrates the value of a metronome.
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Re: The Guitar Thread

#502  Postby Animavore » Jan 12, 2019 1:43 pm

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Getting this. Works with Amplitube. You can assign the pedals to your virtual pedals in the program.

https://www.gear4music.ie/Guitar-and-Ba ... ASEALw_wcB


This arrived yesterday. Tons of fun being able to control the pedals by foot. Had to play Smells Like Teen Spirit straight away.

Got to use a wah for the first time. Pity I can't play VooDoo Chile.

Less fun was finding out Amplitube doesn't record the effects live! So if you play a tune like SLTS and play it back it just plays back the whole thing with the distortion on or off. If you export it the status of the pedal dictates the whole export.

Fortunately I found I have Audacity in my Adobe suite. But then I spent over an hour trying to figure out how to get the sound from from Amplitube on to it. Which I did using a virtual cable running from the latter to the former. But then unfortunately I lose sound quality by setting the latecy low enough I can play in real time.

So many hurdles and pitfalls.
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#503  Postby felltoearth » Jan 12, 2019 2:23 pm

See if you can find a copy of Cubase.

ETA Cubease Elements is fairly decent. You should be able to use AmpliTube as a plugin and record the whole performance.

https://www.steinberg.net/en/shop/buy_p ... ts-10.html

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https://new.steinberg.net/cubase/compare-editions/
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#504  Postby electricwhiteboy » Jan 12, 2019 5:28 pm

Reaper. You get an unlimited use fully unlocked evaluation copy DAW. Their model is basically when you start selling tracks for money, that's when you should buy the license. Amplitube works as a plug in.
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#505  Postby Animavore » Jan 12, 2019 5:48 pm

felltoearth wrote:See if you can find a copy of Cubase.

ETA Cubease Elements is fairly decent. You should be able to use AmpliTube as a plugin and record the whole performance.

https://www.steinberg.net/en/shop/buy_p ... ts-10.html

Feature set comparison between versions

https://new.steinberg.net/cubase/compare-editions/


Audacity has Amplitube as a plugin; but here's the problems. The plugin exists in a virtual space and I can't pick up the midi pedals. And also even if it did Audacity also records Amplitube such that you can't record live pedals. It's a messed up system.
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#506  Postby felltoearth » Jan 12, 2019 5:48 pm

electricwhiteboy wrote:Reaper. You get an unlimited use fully unlocked evaluation copy DAW. Their model is basically when you start selling tracks for money, that's when you should buy the license. Amplitube works as a plug in.

There website says 60 days for evaluation. Does it lock after that or throw up annoying reminder notices every once in a while?
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#507  Postby Animavore » Jan 12, 2019 5:48 pm

electricwhiteboy wrote:Reaper. You get an unlimited use fully unlocked evaluation copy DAW. Their model is basically when you start selling tracks for money, that's when you should buy the license. Amplitube works as a plug in.


I can try but see above.
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#508  Postby felltoearth » Jan 12, 2019 5:50 pm

Animavore wrote:
felltoearth wrote:See if you can find a copy of Cubase.

ETA Cubease Elements is fairly decent. You should be able to use AmpliTube as a plugin and record the whole performance.

https://www.steinberg.net/en/shop/buy_p ... ts-10.html

Feature set comparison between versions

https://new.steinberg.net/cubase/compare-editions/


Audacity has Amplitube as a plugin; but here's the problems. The plugin exists in a virtual space and I can't pick up the midi pedals. And also even if it did Audacity also records Amplitube such that you can't record live pedals. It's a messed up system.

When you say MIDI pedals are you talking about your Line 6 hardware?
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#509  Postby Animavore » Jan 12, 2019 5:54 pm

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felltoearth wrote:See if you can find a copy of Cubase.

ETA Cubease Elements is fairly decent. You should be able to use AmpliTube as a plugin and record the whole performance.

https://www.steinberg.net/en/shop/buy_p ... ts-10.html

Feature set comparison between versions

https://new.steinberg.net/cubase/compare-editions/


Audacity has Amplitube as a plugin; but here's the problems. The plugin exists in a virtual space and I can't pick up the midi pedals. And also even if it did Audacity also records Amplitube such that you can't record live pedals. It's a messed up system.

When you say MIDI pedals are you talking about your Line 6 hardware?

Yes. The plugin exists as a virtual instantiation of Amplitube within Audacity. It only has access to the main panel with the options bar at the top missing. I can't reach the pedals from there.

With the virtual cable I have Amplitube open and outing to Audacity which takes it as input.

It's a job and a half.
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#510  Postby Animavore » Jan 12, 2019 5:56 pm

And the internet, which is usually my saviour, is drawing blanks. Maybe I'm not wording it right what I want.
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Re: The Guitar Thread

#511  Postby felltoearth » Jan 12, 2019 6:35 pm

This suggests MIDI control of AmpliTube is possible using reaper.

Use AmpliTube as a plug-in effect on your audio channel.
Record MIDI from pedal controller to a separate MIDI track and send to AmpliTube plug in via midi

Arm both tracks when recording.

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#512  Postby Animavore » Jan 12, 2019 11:00 pm

Will look tomorrow. Thanks. :thumbup:
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Re: The Guitar Thread

#513  Postby electricwhiteboy » Jan 13, 2019 8:02 pm

I used it for years before I finally bought it. The distribution model is exactly the same as winzip. The nag screen comes up once when you open it. Nothing is locked down after your evaluation ends.
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#514  Postby SafeAsMilk » Jan 14, 2019 12:15 am

electricwhiteboy wrote:Reaper.

This. One of the best DAWs out there, to say nothing of its price.
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#515  Postby Willie71 » Jan 14, 2019 2:03 am

I bought a Mosky OD/Distortion/analog delay unit on eBay and it came in the other day. I’m impressed with how good it sounds and how versatile to tones are. https://www.ebay.ca/itm/MOSKY-DTC-COMBI ... 5d7964b4de The OD doesn’t have much drive, but it can be layered with the distortion if set properly to get three OD/distortion tones. I’m lending it to my brother in law for a gig next month to get some feedback. I was playing a 70’s Taro les Paul copy (Japanese made) with coil split wired pickups (alnicoV vintage output from eBay too) and an imitation bigsby. The neck Humbucker at 7, with the bridge split gives a great warm tone that cuts through. Great for stuff like the tragically hip, Georgia satellites, dire straits, the stones, and even early Van Halen. Zz top too.

I’m a bass player but love noodling on guitar.
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Re: The Guitar Thread

#516  Postby Willie71 » Jan 14, 2019 2:06 am

Animavore wrote:Yet again simple beginner lessons from Justin Guitar show why my attempts to learn from tab years ago was doomed to fail. Knowing basic rhythm stuff like counting out the beats helps immensely.

Example, the main riff from Painkiller in tab.

A 7-- 5-- 7-- 8-- 70--
E -00-00-00-00--30

(Where bolds are palm mutes and italics pull-offs)

Instinctively I'd be tempted to put the A string, unmuted notes on the beats and wondering why it sounds wrong.

Once you count it in it becomes more clear where the accented notes actually land.

7 0 0 5 0 0 7 0 0 8 0 0 7 0 3 0
1 e & a 2 e & a 3 e & a 4 e & a

Which just happens to match this rhythm pattern taught here.

https://www.justinguitar.com/guitar-les ... r-2-im-125

Stuff you all know I'm sure but maybe an advisory to anyone thinking they can do it all on their own. Also demonstrates the value of a metronome.


I’ve done lessons a few times. I learned all the scales and modes, and knew a pretty great variety of chord variations. I had a hard time translating theory and technical skills to making music though, and mostly played by ear. Looking over the Justin Guitar lessons for refresher, his explanations seem so easy, and he ties theory to modern/classic rock music that we are familiar with. The Funk lesson was fascinating, and new for me.
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Re: The Guitar Thread

#517  Postby electricwhiteboy » Jan 14, 2019 12:30 pm

Animavore wrote:Yet again simple beginner lessons from Justin Guitar show why my attempts to learn from tab years ago was doomed to fail. Knowing basic rhythm stuff like counting out the beats helps immensely.

Example, the main riff from Painkiller in tab.

A 7-- 5-- 7-- 8-- 70--
E -00-00-00-00--30

(Where bolds are palm mutes and italics pull-offs)

Instinctively I'd be tempted to put the A string, unmuted notes on the beats and wondering why it sounds wrong.

Once you count it in it becomes more clear where the accented notes actually land.

7 0 0 5 0 0 7 0 0 8 0 0 7 0 3 0
1 e & a 2 e & a 3 e & a 4 e & a

Which just happens to match this rhythm pattern taught here.

https://www.justinguitar.com/guitar-les ... r-2-im-125

Stuff you all know I'm sure but maybe an advisory to anyone thinking they can do it all on their own. Also demonstrates the value of a metronome.


You've hit the inherent problem with Tab, there's a huge context missing because it assumes you know the song. Yeah a lot of the time you don't need it but whenever there's anything slightly odd or ambiguous to the approach things can get derailed quickly.
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