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#181  Postby Greg the Grouper » Nov 07, 2022 1:00 am

Wait, who else would have those metrics? Who else would be able to report them?
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#182  Postby Spearthrower » Nov 07, 2022 1:01 am

Azaghal wrote:... media like She-Hulk turning into total disasters and believe that there's finally an exception.



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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/She-Hulk:_Attorney_at_Law

She-Hulk: Attorney at Law premiered on August 18, 2022, and ran for nine episodes until October 13. It is the last television series of Phase Four in the MCU. The series received generally positive reviews from critics, with particular praise for Maslany's performance, though reception to the series' visual effects was mixed.



https://thedirect.com/article/she-hulk- ... ompetitors

According to Nielsen's ranking of the most watched streaming original series from the week of August 22 to 29 (via The Hollywood Reporter), She-Hulk: Attorney at Law ranked ninth with 390 million watch minutes. That comes to an average of roughly 5.74 million plays based on the total runtimes of 68 minutes across the first two installments.



All these shows are bombing AND doing reasonably well at the same time? How is this possible?

I have some ideas! :)
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#183  Postby Azaghal » Nov 07, 2022 1:05 am

Spearthrower wrote:This is your reference?

And you've been agitating at me to provide a citation?

Sorry, I should've mentioned that Dave down the pub said, so it must be true.


Well, maybe Nielsen ratings would help:

https://www.cbr.com/rings-of-power-audience-shrink-week-nielsen-lotr-amazon

(Of course Amazon contests their data, despite having agreed to partner with them.)
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#184  Postby Animavore » Nov 07, 2022 1:06 am

Azaghal wrote:
Animavore wrote:
Spearthrower wrote:This contention that RoP has 'bombed'... is that actually true? I mean, it's something I should know really given my job, but it's not like I care particularly.

Viewership tallies suggest it had a quite positive response, albeit there are difficulties in knowing what exactly is being measured simply by views.

Certain online aggregators of reviews tend to show a negative reception, but such surveys are hardly an indication of commercial success.

Instead, as is typically the case, the only time we'll know if RoP is a success will be whether Amazon renews for a 3rd season.

I don't know where the idea that RoP has 'bombed' comes from.... maybe reading goat entrails?


Don't think so. It's number 3 in Amazon Prime's charts this week (knocked out by two new shows) and was number one every week it was airing.


I imagine you're willing to believe that it's great to be a worker at an Amazon sweatshop "fulfillment center" too in addition to their self-reported metrics about RoP.

Let's ignore the solid track record of shows and other media like She-Hulk turning into total disasters and believe that there's finally an exception.


What has She-Hulk got to do with this?

Weird comment is weird.

Anyway a balanced breakdown of the Variety article as it is behind a paywall.

https://www.cbr.com/rings-of-power-audi ... tr-amazon/

Looks like it's doing ok to me.
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#185  Postby Spearthrower » Nov 07, 2022 1:07 am

Greg the Grouper wrote:Wait, who else would have those metrics? Who else would be able to report them?


Aside from the network publishing figures, the only credible means of judging viewership is Nielsen Ratings or similar.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nielsen_M ... TV_ratings

Far from perfect, obviously restricted to the US market, and the flaws are well known, but it still provides some means of determining the reception of a program particularly when the US is the primary market.

Today's rankings:

https://www.nielsen.com/top-ten/

3 Prime Video The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power 7 988



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#186  Postby Azaghal » Nov 07, 2022 1:07 am

Spearthrower wrote:All these shows are bombing AND doing reasonably well at the same time


If She-Hulk actually did well there'd be no need for Jennifer Gao to scream and cry about the fans for its lack of success.
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#187  Postby Spearthrower » Nov 07, 2022 1:08 am

Azaghal wrote:
Spearthrower wrote:This is your reference?

And you've been agitating at me to provide a citation?

Sorry, I should've mentioned that Dave down the pub said, so it must be true.


Well, maybe Nielsen ratings would help:

https://www.cbr.com/rings-of-power-audience-shrink-week-nielsen-lotr-amazon

(Of course Amazon contests their data, despite having agreed to partner with them.)



https://www.nielsen.com/top-ten/

3 Prime Video The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power 7 988
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#188  Postby Azaghal » Nov 07, 2022 1:09 am

Spearthrower wrote:
Greg the Grouper wrote:Wait, who else would have those metrics? Who else would be able to report them?


Aside from the network publishing figures, the only credible means of judging viewership is Nielsen Ratings or similar.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nielsen_M ... TV_ratings

Far from perfect, obviously restricted to the US market, and the flaws are well known, but it still provides some means of determining the reception of a program particularly when the US is the primary market.

Today's rankings:

https://www.nielsen.com/top-ten/

3 Prime Video The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power 7 988



"Bombed" said the path of the flight of birds across the sky.


If that's all the case then why does Amazon have beef with their reporting?

RoP: a smashing success or bound for the same fate as gay Superman?
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#189  Postby Spearthrower » Nov 07, 2022 1:10 am

Azaghal wrote:
Spearthrower wrote:All these shows are bombing AND doing reasonably well at the same time


If She-Hulk actually did well there'd be no need for Jennifer Gao to scream and cry about the fans for its lack of success.


You've not established any metric for defining 'well' but if it's similar in formulation to your 'bombed' I am not sure how we can expect to communicate despite supposedly using the same language.
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#190  Postby Greg the Grouper » Nov 07, 2022 1:10 am

Spearthrower wrote:
Greg the Grouper wrote:Wait, who else would have those metrics? Who else would be able to report them?


Aside from the network publishing figures, the only credible means of judging viewership is Nielsen Ratings or similar.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nielsen_M ... TV_ratings

Far from perfect, obviously restricted to the US market, and the flaws are well known, but it still provides some means of determining the reception of a program particularly when the US is the primary market.

Today's rankings:

https://www.nielsen.com/top-ten/

3 Prime Video The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power 7 988



"Bombed" said the path of the flight of birds across the sky.


Huh.

To be honest, I had just assumed that Amazon would be using their own platform and as such be the only ones privy to such information. Shows what I know.
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#191  Postby Spearthrower » Nov 07, 2022 1:10 am

Animavore wrote:
What has She-Hulk got to do with this?

Weird comment is weird.



It's got everything to do with it. In fact, it's all that it's about. :)
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#192  Postby Animavore » Nov 07, 2022 1:12 am

Spearthrower wrote:
Greg the Grouper wrote:Wait, who else would have those metrics? Who else would be able to report them?


Aside from the network publishing figures, the only credible means of judging viewership is Nielsen Ratings or similar.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nielsen_M ... TV_ratings

Far from perfect, obviously restricted to the US market, and the flaws are well known, but it still provides some means of determining the reception of a program particularly when the US is the primary market.

Today's rankings:

https://www.nielsen.com/top-ten/

3 Prime Video The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power 7 988



"Bombed" said the path of the flight of birds across the sky.


The thing is RoP started on such a high that losing some viewership means it is still quids in. It can be true that it can lose viewership (in the small demographic that is tracked at least) and still be a success.

One the former does not preclude the latter
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#193  Postby Spearthrower » Nov 07, 2022 1:13 am

Greg the Grouper wrote:Huh.

To be honest, I had just assumed that Amazon would be using their own platform and as such be the only ones privy to such information. Shows what I know.



They are the only ones who do have the official tally - this is a best-guess estimate, but it is sufficiently credible that it's used by advertizers to guide their purchases.
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#194  Postby Azaghal » Nov 07, 2022 1:14 am

Spearthrower wrote:
Azaghal wrote:
Spearthrower wrote:All these shows are bombing AND doing reasonably well at the same time


If She-Hulk actually did well there'd be no need for Jennifer Gao to scream and cry about the fans for its lack of success.


You've not established any metric for defining 'well' but if it's similar in formulation to your 'bombed' I am not sure how we can expect to communicate despite supposedly using the same language.


Purveyors of woke media are unusually salty about their highly successful projects:

https://boundingintocomics.com/2022/10/17/she-hulk-star-says-series-exists-as-a-f-k-you-to-critics-head-writer-boasts-part-of-me-really-loves-trolling-the-trolls/
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#195  Postby Animavore » Nov 07, 2022 1:14 am

Greg the Grouper wrote:
Spearthrower wrote:
Greg the Grouper wrote:Wait, who else would have those metrics? Who else would be able to report them?


Aside from the network publishing figures, the only credible means of judging viewership is Nielsen Ratings or similar.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nielsen_M ... TV_ratings

Far from perfect, obviously restricted to the US market, and the flaws are well known, but it still provides some means of determining the reception of a program particularly when the US is the primary market.

Today's rankings:

https://www.nielsen.com/top-ten/

3 Prime Video The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power 7 988



"Bombed" said the path of the flight of birds across the sky.


Huh.

To be honest, I had just assumed that Amazon would be using their own platform and as such be the only ones privy to such information. Shows what I know.


It should be pointed out that Nielsen only tracks viewers on TV in the US and not other devices and the rest of the world.

It would be dishonest to leave that out.
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#196  Postby Spearthrower » Nov 07, 2022 1:16 am

Animavore wrote:
Spearthrower wrote:
Greg the Grouper wrote:Wait, who else would have those metrics? Who else would be able to report them?


Aside from the network publishing figures, the only credible means of judging viewership is Nielsen Ratings or similar.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nielsen_M ... TV_ratings

Far from perfect, obviously restricted to the US market, and the flaws are well known, but it still provides some means of determining the reception of a program particularly when the US is the primary market.

Today's rankings:

https://www.nielsen.com/top-ten/

3 Prime Video The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power 7 988



"Bombed" said the path of the flight of birds across the sky.


The thing is RoP started on such a high that losing some viewership means it is still quids in. It can be true that it can lose viewership (in the small demographic that is tracked at least) and still be a success.

One the former does not preclude the latter



It's not like it's at all unusual anyway. The vast majority of shows lose viewership over time. I am sure we all know why too because we see a new show on our preferred and prepaid streaming service so we check it out, watch one or two shows to decide if it's for us, and often drop it never to return. That's basically my entire Netflix experience in one sentence.
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#197  Postby Spearthrower » Nov 07, 2022 1:16 am

Azaghal wrote:Purveyors of woke media are unusually salty about their highly successful projects:



Sorry, you will need to speak in English to me as I don't know what you're gibbering witlessly about.
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#198  Postby Animavore » Nov 07, 2022 1:20 am

Spearthrower wrote:
Animavore wrote:
Spearthrower wrote:
Greg the Grouper wrote:Wait, who else would have those metrics? Who else would be able to report them?


Aside from the network publishing figures, the only credible means of judging viewership is Nielsen Ratings or similar.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nielsen_M ... TV_ratings

Far from perfect, obviously restricted to the US market, and the flaws are well known, but it still provides some means of determining the reception of a program particularly when the US is the primary market.

Today's rankings:

https://www.nielsen.com/top-ten/

3 Prime Video The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power 7 988



"Bombed" said the path of the flight of birds across the sky.


The thing is RoP started on such a high that losing some viewership means it is still quids in. It can be true that it can lose viewership (in the small demographic that is tracked at least) and still be a success.

One the former does not preclude the latter



It's not like it's at all unusual anyway. The vast majority of shows lose viewership over time. I am sure we all know why too because we see a new show on our preferred and prepaid streaming service so we check it out, watch one or two shows to decide if it's for us, and often drop it never to return. That's basically my entire Netflix experience in one sentence.


Isn't it everyone's?

I have a general three episode rule for giving something a chance myself. Though some shows I'm in on episode one and others I don't make those three episodes.
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#199  Postby Greg the Grouper » Nov 07, 2022 1:22 am

Azaghal wrote:
Spearthrower wrote:
Azaghal wrote:
Spearthrower wrote:All these shows are bombing AND doing reasonably well at the same time


If She-Hulk actually did well there'd be no need for Jennifer Gao to scream and cry about the fans for its lack of success.


You've not established any metric for defining 'well' but if it's similar in formulation to your 'bombed' I am not sure how we can expect to communicate despite supposedly using the same language.


Purveyors of woke media are unusually salty about their highly successful projects:

https://boundingintocomics.com/2022/10/17/she-hulk-star-says-series-exists-as-a-f-k-you-to-critics-head-writer-boasts-part-of-me-really-loves-trolling-the-trolls/


Are you truly surprised that people got annoyed and started talking shit? Truly? You believe that anything approximating a nontrivial portion of the human population embraces stoicism in their lives, and wouldn't simply flip the bird to someone that's pissing them off?

You really think the fact that someone got defensive and upset is evidence of an associated project being a financial flop? Truly?
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#200  Postby Azaghal » Nov 07, 2022 1:24 am

Spearthrower wrote:
Azaghal wrote:Purveyors of woke media are unusually salty about their highly successful projects:



Sorry, you will need to speak in English to me as I don't know what you're gibbering witlessly about.


"Woke" is a pretty recently coined adjective, which is something you should get used to, because that's how any living language works in general. If you want things to just stay the way they were in the past, and it seems like you're coming from a British English background, I think it's worth pointing out that Early Modern English as was spoken in, say, Shakespeare's time, was done so with an accent closer to typical US American or Canadian English of today, and then in the 19th century Brits for some reason started talking funny all of a sudden.

But what does a student of linguistics know about such things?
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