Azaghal wrote:... media like She-Hulk turning into total disasters and believe that there's finally an exception.

She-Hulk: Attorney at Law premiered on August 18, 2022, and ran for nine episodes until October 13. It is the last television series of Phase Four in the MCU. The series received generally positive reviews from critics, with particular praise for Maslany's performance, though reception to the series' visual effects was mixed.

According to Nielsen's ranking of the most watched streaming original series from the week of August 22 to 29 (via The Hollywood Reporter), She-Hulk: Attorney at Law ranked ninth with 390 million watch minutes. That comes to an average of roughly 5.74 million plays based on the total runtimes of 68 minutes across the first two installments.

Spearthrower wrote:This is your reference?

And you've been agitating at me to provide a citation?

Sorry, I should've mentioned that Dave down the pub said, so it must be true.

Azaghal wrote:

Animavore wrote:

Spearthrower wrote:This contention that RoP has 'bombed'... is that actually true? I mean, it's something I should know really given my job, but it's not like I care particularly.

Viewership tallies suggest it had a quite positive response, albeit there are difficulties in knowing what exactly is being measured simply by views.

Certain online aggregators of reviews tend to show a negative reception, but such surveys are hardly an indication of commercial success.

Instead, as is typically the case, the only time we'll know if RoP is a success will be whether Amazon renews for a 3rd season.

I don't know where the idea that RoP has 'bombed' comes from.... maybe reading goat entrails?

Don't think so. It's number 3 in Amazon Prime's charts this week (knocked out by two new shows) and was number one every week it was airing.

I imagine you're willing to believe that it's great to be a worker at an Amazon sweatshop "fulfillment center" too in addition to their self-reported metrics about RoP.

Let's ignore the solid track record of shows and other media like She-Hulk turning into total disasters and believe that there's finally an exception.

Greg the Grouper wrote:Wait, who else would have those metrics? Who else would be able to report them?

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Spearthrower wrote:All these shows are bombing AND doing reasonably well at the same time

Azaghal wrote:

Spearthrower wrote:This is your reference?

And you've been agitating at me to provide a citation?

Sorry, I should've mentioned that Dave down the pub said, so it must be true.

Well, maybe Nielsen ratings would help:

https://www.cbr.com/rings-of-power-audience-shrink-week-nielsen-lotr-amazon

(Of course Amazon contests their data, despite having agreed to partner with them.)

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Spearthrower wrote:

Greg the Grouper wrote:Wait, who else would have those metrics? Who else would be able to report them?

Aside from the network publishing figures, the only credible means of judging viewership is Nielsen Ratings or similar.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nielsen_M ... TV_ratings

Far from perfect, obviously restricted to the US market, and the flaws are well known, but it still provides some means of determining the reception of a program particularly when the US is the primary market.

Today's rankings:

https://www.nielsen.com/top-ten/

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"Bombed" said the path of the flight of birds across the sky.

Azaghal wrote:

Spearthrower wrote:All these shows are bombing AND doing reasonably well at the same time

If She-Hulk actually did well there'd be no need for Jennifer Gao to scream and cry about the fans for its lack of success.

Spearthrower wrote:

Greg the Grouper wrote:Wait, who else would have those metrics? Who else would be able to report them?

Aside from the network publishing figures, the only credible means of judging viewership is Nielsen Ratings or similar.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nielsen_M ... TV_ratings

Far from perfect, obviously restricted to the US market, and the flaws are well known, but it still provides some means of determining the reception of a program particularly when the US is the primary market.

Today's rankings:

https://www.nielsen.com/top-ten/

3 Prime Video The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power 7 988

"Bombed" said the path of the flight of birds across the sky.

Animavore wrote:
What has She-Hulk got to do with this?

Weird comment is weird.

Spearthrower wrote:

Greg the Grouper wrote:Wait, who else would have those metrics? Who else would be able to report them?

Aside from the network publishing figures, the only credible means of judging viewership is Nielsen Ratings or similar.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nielsen_M ... TV_ratings

Far from perfect, obviously restricted to the US market, and the flaws are well known, but it still provides some means of determining the reception of a program particularly when the US is the primary market.

Today's rankings:

https://www.nielsen.com/top-ten/

3 Prime Video The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power 7 988

"Bombed" said the path of the flight of birds across the sky.

Greg the Grouper wrote:Huh.

To be honest, I had just assumed that Amazon would be using their own platform and as such be the only ones privy to such information. Shows what I know.

Spearthrower wrote:

Azaghal wrote:

Spearthrower wrote:All these shows are bombing AND doing reasonably well at the same time

If She-Hulk actually did well there'd be no need for Jennifer Gao to scream and cry about the fans for its lack of success.

You've not established any metric for defining 'well' but if it's similar in formulation to your 'bombed' I am not sure how we can expect to communicate despite supposedly using the same language.

Greg the Grouper wrote:

Spearthrower wrote:

Greg the Grouper wrote:Wait, who else would have those metrics? Who else would be able to report them?

Aside from the network publishing figures, the only credible means of judging viewership is Nielsen Ratings or similar.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nielsen_M ... TV_ratings

Far from perfect, obviously restricted to the US market, and the flaws are well known, but it still provides some means of determining the reception of a program particularly when the US is the primary market.

Today's rankings:

https://www.nielsen.com/top-ten/

3 Prime Video The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power 7 988

"Bombed" said the path of the flight of birds across the sky.

Huh.

To be honest, I had just assumed that Amazon would be using their own platform and as such be the only ones privy to such information. Shows what I know.

Animavore wrote:

Spearthrower wrote:

Greg the Grouper wrote:Wait, who else would have those metrics? Who else would be able to report them?

Aside from the network publishing figures, the only credible means of judging viewership is Nielsen Ratings or similar.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nielsen_M ... TV_ratings

Far from perfect, obviously restricted to the US market, and the flaws are well known, but it still provides some means of determining the reception of a program particularly when the US is the primary market.

Today's rankings:

https://www.nielsen.com/top-ten/

3 Prime Video The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power 7 988

"Bombed" said the path of the flight of birds across the sky.

The thing is RoP started on such a high that losing some viewership means it is still quids in. It can be true that it can lose viewership (in the small demographic that is tracked at least) and still be a success.

One the former does not preclude the latter

Azaghal wrote:Purveyors of woke media are unusually salty about their highly successful projects:

Spearthrower wrote:

Animavore wrote:

Spearthrower wrote:

Greg the Grouper wrote:Wait, who else would have those metrics? Who else would be able to report them?

Aside from the network publishing figures, the only credible means of judging viewership is Nielsen Ratings or similar.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nielsen_M ... TV_ratings

Far from perfect, obviously restricted to the US market, and the flaws are well known, but it still provides some means of determining the reception of a program particularly when the US is the primary market.

Today's rankings:

https://www.nielsen.com/top-ten/

3 Prime Video The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power 7 988

"Bombed" said the path of the flight of birds across the sky.

The thing is RoP started on such a high that losing some viewership means it is still quids in. It can be true that it can lose viewership (in the small demographic that is tracked at least) and still be a success.

One the former does not preclude the latter

It's not like it's at all unusual anyway. The vast majority of shows lose viewership over time. I am sure we all know why too because we see a new show on our preferred and prepaid streaming service so we check it out, watch one or two shows to decide if it's for us, and often drop it never to return. That's basically my entire Netflix experience in one sentence.

Azaghal wrote:

Spearthrower wrote:

Azaghal wrote:

Spearthrower wrote:All these shows are bombing AND doing reasonably well at the same time

If She-Hulk actually did well there'd be no need for Jennifer Gao to scream and cry about the fans for its lack of success.

You've not established any metric for defining 'well' but if it's similar in formulation to your 'bombed' I am not sure how we can expect to communicate despite supposedly using the same language.

Purveyors of woke media are unusually salty about their highly successful projects:

https://boundingintocomics.com/2022/10/17/she-hulk-star-says-series-exists-as-a-f-k-you-to-critics-head-writer-boasts-part-of-me-really-loves-trolling-the-trolls/

Spearthrower wrote:

Azaghal wrote:Purveyors of woke media are unusually salty about their highly successful projects:

Sorry, you will need to speak in English to me as I don't know what you're gibbering witlessly about.