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Re: The unofficial comic book/graphic novel thread!

#61  Postby SafeAsMilk » Oct 23, 2011 8:32 pm

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MacIver wrote:If I remember correctly it was meant to be. They were trying to convey the bleakness of the time.



I could be wrong but think you might be confusing Watchmen with V for Vendetta. V originally saw print (in Warrior magazine) in black and white (as it was meant to be). When DC decided to reprint it they insisted on colouring it. Subsequent collections have (sadly) gone for the colour version.


This would make sense to me, the style of Watchmen didn't strike me as bleak, just incredibly plain. Standard D.C. fare. I saw it more as trying to make the book look like a standard superhero comic, when at the time it was anything but.

I usually turn to Dark Knight Returns for bleak :naughty2:
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Re: The unofficial comic book/graphic novel thread!

#62  Postby j.mills » Oct 23, 2011 10:01 pm

I thought Watchmen was going for clarity. There's an awful lot of information conveyed in those pictures - I looked back in delight when Rorschach's identity was revealed to discover how many times I'd missed him! - and it's an intricate story, comic within a comic, all that. Stark and unambiguous seemed a wise approach to me. But wot do I kno? :dopey:
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Re: The unofficial comic book/graphic novel thread!

#63  Postby Nostalgia » Oct 23, 2011 11:09 pm

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MacIver wrote:If I remember correctly it was meant to be. They were trying to convey the bleakness of the time.



I could be wrong but think you might be confusing Watchmen with V for Vendetta. V originally saw print (in Warrior magazine) in black and white (as it was meant to be). When DC decided to reprint it they insisted on colouring it. Subsequent collections have (sadly) gone for the colour version.


That's true. But I have a memory of reading or hearing somewhere that there was a deliberate colour palate to Watchmen. For example, Dr Manhattan is the only blue in the book.
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Re: The unofficial comic book/graphic novel thread!

#64  Postby smudge » Oct 24, 2011 7:11 pm

j.mills wrote:I thought Watchmen was going for clarity. There's an awful lot of information conveyed in those pictures - I looked back in delight when Rorschach's identity was revealed to discover how many times I'd missed him! - and it's an intricate story, comic within a comic, all that. Stark and unambiguous seemed a wise approach to me. But wot do I kno? :dopey:



I think you are spot on JM. It's a super example of visual storytelling. Clarity being the key.
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Re: The unofficial comic book/graphic novel thread!

#65  Postby smudge » Nov 09, 2011 6:06 pm

Has anyone bothered with the DC re-launch, the new 52 books?
Can't say I have but wondered what others thought.
Marvel are relaunching X-Men imminently too....
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Re: The unofficial comic book/graphic novel thread!

#66  Postby NilsGLindgren » Nov 10, 2011 8:04 am

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#67  Postby rJD » Nov 10, 2011 9:05 am

smudge wrote:Marvel are relaunching X-Men imminently too....

Interesting...
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Re: The unofficial comic book/graphic novel thread!

#68  Postby Nostalgia » Nov 11, 2011 6:36 pm

I hope they set it in a universe out with other marvel stories. I always thought the fact there was superheroes with powers gained through other means than having the mutation devalued the whole story. Why would a mutant face social and political discrimination when The Thing or Spider-man didn't?
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#69  Postby UtilityMonster » Nov 11, 2011 7:48 pm

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Re: The unofficial comic book/graphic novel thread!

#70  Postby rJD » Nov 15, 2011 9:51 am

MacIver wrote:I hope they set it in a universe out with other marvel stories. I always thought the fact there was superheroes with powers gained through other means than having the mutation devalued the whole story. Why would a mutant face social and political discrimination when The Thing or Spider-man didn't?

The whole crossover thing just got very, very silly. Frankenstein's monster and Dracula made appearances too, always to the detriment of any coherent storytelling (although expecting this from kids' comics is perhaps a bit too demanding).
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#71  Postby Mike_L » Nov 15, 2011 10:20 am

I always thought the "crossover" thing was a bit of a gimmick. I think this 1976 DC-Marvel edition was the first-ever crossover, but I stand to be corrected (the first may've been even earlier)....

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Re: The unofficial comic book/graphic novel thread!

#72  Postby smudge » Nov 15, 2011 8:39 pm

Mike_L wrote:I always thought the "crossover" thing was a bit of a gimmick. I think this 1976 DC-Marvel edition was the first-ever crossover, but I stand to be corrected (the first may've been even earlier)....

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I think you're right Mike, that was the first cross company book (though I'm not sure thats what MacIver meant..?). I remember the fuss regarding who's name was to come first. And remember sulking 'coz they chose Superman.... :oops:
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#73  Postby NilsGLindgren » Nov 15, 2011 9:09 pm

.. speaking of sulking, that is what self is doing 'cause noone commented on "Donald Duck and the Golden Helmet". Great litteratchoor, that is. And you are all a bunch of ignoramuses. :)
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#74  Postby j.mills » Nov 15, 2011 9:16 pm

NilsGLindgren wrote:"Donald Duck and the Golden Helmet". Great litteratchoor, that is.

I don't know if it's 'great litteratchoor'. I do know it sounds like something you'd see in a German porn film.

(I'm guessing. :shifty:)
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Re: The unofficial comic book/graphic novel thread!

#75  Postby NilsGLindgren » Nov 15, 2011 9:21 pm

Feh, you do not (normlly) see Donald Duck in German porn films. (As far as I know. Not truly up to date on the subject, if I may say so. Not exactly my line of expertise. More of a hypothesis, if you see what I mean.) And where, exactly, would you expect him to wear the Golden Helmet?

Please phrase this answer in such a way as not to embarass your old Grandmother.
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Re: The unofficial comic book/graphic novel thread!

#76  Postby SafeAsMilk » Nov 15, 2011 9:55 pm

Sorry Nils! I thought the Donald Duck comic looked cool. Last tour through Europe, there was a rest stop where they had racks full of reissues of old Disney comics (speaking of German porn, I think Germany is where we were!), excellent classic cartooning. Shoulda bought one but the euro kills the dollar :waah:

Dunno about you, but Golden Helmet does sound like a porn title to me :shifty:

MacIver wrote:That's true. But I have a memory of reading or hearing somewhere that there was a deliberate colour palate to Watchmen. For example, Dr Manhattan is the only blue in the book.


I'm sure this is so, it's a classic comic trick going back to (arguably) the earliest:

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Re: The unofficial comic book/graphic novel thread!

#77  Postby smudge » Nov 16, 2011 11:54 am

NilsGLindgren wrote:.. speaking of sulking, that is what self is doing 'cause noone commented on "Donald Duck and the Golden Helmet". Great litteratchoor, that is. And you are all a bunch of ignoramuses. :)


Sorry Nils!

I've never read any Carl Barks. I've heard good things about his work and would be happy to know more. Feel free to enlighten me!


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