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advaitya wrote:Hindu anger?
How's that deduced knowing that Hindus' don't have an institutionalised clergy for articulating the religion's views. Swamis of temples don't have the authority like the church or ulemas of islam. Is it done by interviewing a few "spiritual leaders" who will always find a reason to be outraged and then publicise their personal opinion as the religions' ?
cavarka9 wrote:
well, could you be clear then to tell us as to when exactly should we characterize something as being hindu?.
cavarka9 wrote: Does someone being a hindu and claiming to speak on behalf of it not be enough to characterize so, atleast preliminarily?
advaitya wrote:I am not in the "characterization" business.
Frank Zappa wrote:The basic function of any ethnic protective PR organization is to do what Congressman Duncan Hunter (R-California) suggested on the Larry King show -- "maintain the fiction." (He used it in the context of protecting the Reagan administration during the Iran-contra scandal, suggesting it was our duty as Americans to support The President by looking the other way.)
Italians have an organization which seeks to 'maintain the fiction' that no Italians are in the Mafia, nor do they sell drugs while engaging in murder for hire. If you want to believe that, fine -- welcome to Fantasy Land.
advaitya wrote:cavarka9 wrote:
well, could you be clear then to tell us as to when exactly should we characterize something as being hindu?.
I am not in the "characterization" business. You are. Don't blame me for your limited intellect and failure to come up with a "rational" framework to "characterize". My job is point and ridicule your "rational methodology" to malign an entire community with 1) microscopic sample, and 2) without ascertaining the motivations and knowledge of this limited sample.cavarka9 wrote: Does someone being a hindu and claiming to speak on behalf of it not be enough to characterize so, atleast preliminarily?
No.
Can I tomorrow convert to islam and spout nonsense on its behalf and would the world buy that?
epepke wrote:No; you're in the protectionism and overreaction business. The news report said that many American hindus are upset about secular yoga. I really doubt that it's that many, but anyway, nobody has come even close to saying that it represents Hindu attitudes as a whole.
epepke wrote:Still, this anger exists in at least one person, and that person is a Hindu speaking qua a Hindu, so according to the rules of English, the title is correct. You have interpreted it much more broadly, presumably to have something to get angry about.
cavarka9 wrote:advaitya wrote:cavarka9 wrote:
well, could you be clear then to tell us as to when exactly should we characterize something as being hindu?.
I am not in the "characterization" business. You are. Don't blame me for your limited intellect and failure to come up with a "rational" framework to "characterize". My job is point and ridicule your "rational methodology" to malign an entire community with 1) microscopic sample, and 2) without ascertaining the motivations and knowledge of this limited sample.cavarka9 wrote: Does someone being a hindu and claiming to speak on behalf of it not be enough to characterize so, atleast preliminarily?
No.
Can I tomorrow convert to islam and spout nonsense on its behalf and would the world buy that?
thanks, you have explained yourself and more importantly demonstrated something which I see in Hindus,
no institution = no blame!.
epepke has added something very important by pointing to "maintaining the fiction". someone should enter that in wiki argument tricks list.
advaitya wrote:cavarka9 wrote:advaitya wrote:
I am not in the "characterization" business. You are. Don't blame me for your limited intellect and failure to come up with a "rational" framework to "characterize". My job is point and ridicule your "rational methodology" to malign an entire community with 1) microscopic sample, and 2) without ascertaining the motivations and knowledge of this limited sample.
No.
Can I tomorrow convert to islam and spout nonsense on its behalf and would the world buy that?
thanks, you have explained yourself and more importantly demonstrated something which I see in Hindus,
no institution = no blame!.
epepke has added something very important by pointing to "maintaining the fiction". someone should enter that in wiki argument tricks list.
So essentially you've got nothing to say on the merits of the argument. All you're capable of is to take a little sample (random and unscientific) and draw conclusions based on that. Because clearly that's how "rationalists" roll?
advaitya wrote:But the X or the Y or whoever the hell you are is NOT arguing or reasoning. He's impugning an entire religion based on evidence and logic that'll embarrass a high school student.
cavarka9 wrote:
if people claim to belong to a religion and make a case on behalf of it, then it is patently clear that there is at least one religious person who makes that case. The case hindu anger is true because hindus are saying it on the basis of hinduism and for its sake.
advaitya wrote:cavarka9 wrote:
if people claim to belong to a religion and make a case on behalf of it, then it is patently clear that there is at least one religious person who makes that case. The case hindu anger is true because hindus are saying it on the basis of hinduism and for its sake.
No such thing is "patently clear" unless one is a simple minded buffoon. Or a zealot.
Assume I am the Hindu in that video and my motive for the outburst is anything but religious. I am motivated to get visibility as a potential leader of the Hindu community and I believe (perhaps mistakenly) that making noise against the yoga studios will help me in my goal. Such being the case, am I really speaking as a Hindu?
advaitya wrote:Where and whom am I protecting?
If the rules of language were followed the title would read, "a few hindu men angry". There's no such thing as hindu anger, an inanimate ideology/religion/concept cannot be angry. It's a vague concept invented to impose guilt on a community for the acts of a few. It is, let me use that word, irrational.
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