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Re: muon neutrinos travel faster than c?

#261  Postby mraltair » Feb 23, 2012 12:50 pm

campermon wrote:Lots of Lols!!!

A loose cable eh? and there's me, a lowly physics teacher, berating kids for not checking their cable connections when their circuits won't work!

:cofee:


Have you applied for a job at CERN? It seems you'd be in high demand. :lol:
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Re: muon neutrinos travel faster than c?

#262  Postby campermon » Feb 23, 2012 6:18 pm

mraltair wrote:
campermon wrote:Lots of Lols!!!

A loose cable eh? and there's me, a lowly physics teacher, berating kids for not checking their cable connections when their circuits won't work!

:cofee:


Have you applied for a job at CERN? It seems you'd be in high demand. :lol:


:lol:

excerpt from the CV; "...as well as having suitable qualifications for the position, I am also highly skilled at circuit fault detection in 11-12 year old student electricity experiments."

:cheers:
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Re: muon neutrinos travel faster than c?

#263  Postby ramseyoptom » Feb 23, 2012 11:08 pm

Whilst the result is slightly disappointing at least we will not have the spectacle of Professor Jim Al-Khalili eating his boxer shorts on TV.
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Re: muon neutrinos travel faster than c?

#264  Postby iamthereforeithink » Feb 24, 2012 2:19 am

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iamthereforeithink wrote:Gaaa...aah :shock:

And we're trusting these nincompoops to come up with the next big breakthroughs in the field of physics? I'm going to sue these guys on two counts -

1. Monetary loss on account of many hours wasted in the cafeteria discussing possible theoretical explanations. Time which, if spent productively, might have earned me upwards of $100k
2. Defamation, on account of looking like an idiot when I go to the cafeteria tomorrow.


Yo' iam - haven't seen you in a while :cheers:


Good to see you again, Twistor :cheers:

Yup, I haven't been too active on the forums lately. I just don't get time to indulge myself anymore. I can certainly no longer do this at work, since I seem to be in meetings all day and in conference calls at night. The wife was contemplating divorce at one point. :(
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#265  Postby twistor59 » Mar 16, 2012 3:34 pm

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#266  Postby newolder » Mar 16, 2012 4:37 pm

phew!
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Re: muon neutrinos travel faster than c?

#267  Postby THWOTH » Mar 16, 2012 10:36 pm

Order, balance and harmony reign once more in the universe. God's plan is intact. :mrgreen:
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Re: muon neutrinos travel faster than c?

#268  Postby Pulsar » Mar 30, 2012 3:45 pm

Neutrino 'faster than light' scientist resigns

The head of an experiment that appeared to show subatomic particles travelling faster than the speed of light has resigned from his post.

Prof Antonio Ereditato oversaw results that appeared to challenge Einstein's theory that nothing could travel faster than the speed of light.

Reports said some members of his group, called Opera, had wanted him to resign.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-17560379


Antonio Ereditato submitted his resignation before a vote on a motion by some members of his OPERA team that he be removed after tests this month contradicted the claim that the universe’s speed limit had been broken.

“I hope OPERA will find new unity and a new leadership to pursue its main target of observing the appearance of a new type of neutrinos,” said Antonio Masiero, the deputy head of the Italian Institute for Nuclear Physics.

Masiero said another test on the speed of neutrinos, a type of sub-atomic particle, would still be carried out later this year to check OPERA’s findings.

http://www.dawn.com/2012/03/30/italian-physicist-behind-faster-than-light-test-resigns.html
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Re: muon neutrinos travel faster than c?

#269  Postby twistor59 » Mar 30, 2012 4:13 pm

Ah, yes, when I heard this, I thought to myself, "I wonder if Lubos has commented on this?":

http://motls.blogspot.co.uk/2012/03/opera-experiment-spokesman-resigned.html

Helen Barratt wrote that OPERA was so nice and fair that it's sad if someone resigned. I replied in this way:

............................................

Scientists who are wrong, especially about important things, big claims, or repeatedly, simply have to be disadvantaged relatively to those who are right. They must be disadvantaged whether or not they admit that they could be wrong. It's necessary for science to keep its standards of validity.

Science simply can't afford to be dominated or led by people who are or have been mostly wrong, whether or not they admitted it.

............................................

Needless to say, the world's *junk* physicists such as Mr Smolin et al.

didn't hesitate for a minute and immediately reacted in the same way as a mosquito reacts if you offer him a hot smelly pile of šħit. They just went to devour it! In the paper above, they argued that all the counter-arguments, like Cohen-Glashow, were too weak for their marvelous theories that are predicting nothing else than that superluminal neutrinos are possible!

The reason why crackpots such as Smolin never resign, not even after hundreds of similar spectacularly wrong claims they make, is that in certain portions of theoretical physics, standards no longer exist. And they don't exist because people like you, Helen, don't even like the situation when they do. And people like you, Helen, have made it to the media and all kinds of grant agencies etc. Thank God that at least in some portions of experimental physics, their traditions remember what physics used to be.
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Re: muon neutrinos travel faster than c?

#270  Postby Pulsar » Mar 30, 2012 4:33 pm

Ugh, Motl. I can't stand that guy :yuk:
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#271  Postby CdesignProponentsist » Mar 30, 2012 8:02 pm

...and immediately reacted in the same way as a mosquito reacts if you offer him a hot smelly pile of šħit. They just went to devour it!


Mosquitoes eat shit?
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Re: muon neutrinos travel faster than c?

#272  Postby Landrew » Mar 30, 2012 8:12 pm

Not the first time:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/841690.stm

Maybe it's not that: "nothing can travel faster than light," but "nothing we understand explains it."
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#273  Postby Zwaarddijk » Mar 30, 2012 8:18 pm

Landrew wrote:Not the first time:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/841690.stm

Maybe it's not that: "nothing can travel faster than light," but "nothing we understand explains it."


That kind of thing is well-understood though. Phase velocities vs. group velocities and all that jazz.
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#274  Postby Landrew » Mar 30, 2012 8:30 pm

Zwaarddijk wrote:
Landrew wrote:Not the first time:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/841690.stm

Maybe it's not that: "nothing can travel faster than light," but "nothing we understand explains it."


That kind of thing is well-understood though. Phase velocities vs. group velocities and all that jazz.

I've never heard of the jazzon particle.
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Re: muon neutrinos travel faster than c?

#275  Postby turnerj41 » Apr 01, 2012 12:20 pm

This loose cable is about as good as using english units in the mars climate orbiter, but I was enjoying this one so much more.
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Re: muon neutrinos travel faster than c?

#276  Postby THWOTH » Apr 01, 2012 6:07 pm

Oh well, back to collating and studying the data.
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Re: muon neutrinos travel faster than c?

#277  Postby twistor59 » Apr 02, 2012 1:15 pm

From Matt Strassler's article

Just an extra turn mate....

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#278  Postby Ihavenofingerprints » Apr 02, 2012 2:13 pm

Thanks for that blog link, explains things nicely.
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Re: muon neutrinos travel faster than c?

#279  Postby twistor59 » Apr 05, 2012 7:20 pm

Strassler is inviting comments on people's opinions of the neutrino story:

http://profmattstrassler.com/2012/04/05/question-to-laypersons-your-views-on-the-neutrino-saga/
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