DarthHelmet86 wrote:I think that depends on how much power the king or queen had. If a duke felt he/she had enough of his own to press his/her claim I don't really see what is stopping him/her from doing so. There have been times where the king while being in charge was dependent on his lesser nobles and they knew it and pressed their claims to power.
This, I can see... but there was no actual contact between me and the Duke - he just suddenly was the Duke! If it was a plot, then I could totally go with it. The Duke could get sufficient support for his side to press his claim, then his overlord could, via pop-up, judge the numbers in favour to see which whether to submit to his vassal's request or deny it and possibly face an uprising. If the King then agreed, it'd still be the King creating the title, paying for it, and the Duke would get the benefit! Likewise, it would still be a duchy of that realm.