Misogyny and video game culture

Computer and console game related chat

Moderators: Blip, The_Metatron

Re: Misogyny and video game culture

#81  Postby felltoearth » Oct 19, 2014 5:46 pm

Matthew Shute wrote:http://www.oppressionquest.com/

:tehe:

In fairness, I expected Depression Quest to be pretty terrible, but it isn't quite as bad as I'd been led to think - it's just a very basic, very simple "choose your own adventure" type, exploring the unusual topic of coping with a mental illness. Given that the "best" option is usually glaringly obvious, and the game is pretty short, there's no replay value at all. You can basically play it two ways: leave your character with his/her life falling apart or get your character to the point where his/her life is going pretty well. You won't come back for a third go. For a free game, I can't complain too much about anything in it; it's just not exactly Liberal Crime Squad in terms of fun or replay value.

Now if you want to play a truly shitty and pretentious text-based "game", try this. Remarkably, it was made by the creator of The Stanley Parable, the frequently intriguing and funny "find all the endings" exploration game.


So Depression Quest is to gaming as After School Specials are to film?
"Walla Walla Bonga!" — Witticism
User avatar
felltoearth
 
Posts: 14076
Age: 53

Canada (ca)
Print view this post

Ads by Google


Re: Misogyny and video game culture

#82  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Oct 23, 2014 9:28 am

They just did special report on gamergate on the news here yesterday.
Now regardless of your opinions about sexism in games and games designed for women, I find it quite sickening that there's a sizeable group of people issuing death threats to some of the female developers and activists.
"Respect for personal beliefs = "I am going to tell you all what I think of YOU, but don't dare retort and tell what you think of ME because...it's my personal belief". Hmm. A bully's charter and no mistake."
User avatar
Thomas Eshuis
 
Name: Thomas Eshuis
Posts: 31088
Age: 31
Male

Country: Netherlands
European Union (eur)
Print view this post

Re: Misogyny and video game culture

#83  Postby DarthHelmet86 » Oct 23, 2014 9:38 am

I find it sickening when any one does that shit. I don't align with either side in this current "debate". Both are groups of people filled with sickening levels of hatred for the other side. And any real comments and ideas are being flooded by those people just spewing bile at people they hate.
I. This is Not a Game
II. Here and Now, You are Alive
User avatar
DarthHelmet86
RS Donator
 
Posts: 10344
Age: 35
Male

Country: Australia
Australia (au)
Print view this post

Re: Misogyny and video game culture

#84  Postby Thommo » Oct 23, 2014 2:38 pm

Thomas Eshuis wrote:They just did special report on gamergate on the news here yesterday.
Now regardless of your opinions about sexism in games and games designed for women, I find it quite sickening that there's a sizeable group of people issuing death threats to some of the female developers and activists.


How sizeable is it? I've followed this and heard of less than 50 actual threats. Granted that's 50 too many, but how representative of gamers is it compared to say, the thirty-four million people who bought a copy of GTA V?

Richard Dawkins probably gets more hate mail on a bad day than this, yet literally a small handful of internet trolls with as far as I'm aware not a single credible threat to their name dominated one side of the "narrative" and is supposed to represent the views of millions, honestly it's all a bit pathetic.

Sometimes I wonder whether we need some kind of "don't feed the troll" meme. :ask:
User avatar
Thommo
 
Posts: 27175

Print view this post

Re: Misogyny and video game culture

#85  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Oct 23, 2014 2:55 pm

Thommo wrote:
Thomas Eshuis wrote:They just did special report on gamergate on the news here yesterday.
Now regardless of your opinions about sexism in games and games designed for women, I find it quite sickening that there's a sizeable group of people issuing death threats to some of the female developers and activists.


How sizeable is it? I've followed this and heard of less than 50 actual threats. Granted that's 50 too many, but how representative of gamers is it compared to say, the thirty-four million people who bought a copy of GTA V?

Where did I say the threats represent the gamer community as a whole?
I said a sizeable number of people were issuing threats.
50 is quite a large number for something like this topic, as opposed things like religion or politics.

Thommo wrote:Richard Dawkins probably gets more hate mail on a bad day than this, yet literally a small handful of internet trolls with as far as I'm aware not a single credible threat to their name dominated one side of the "narrative" and is supposed to represent the views of millions, honestly it's all a bit pathetic.

How fortunate then that I did not make that claim.
Do try to engage wit what I actually wrote and not turn it into a rant of your own frustrations or views.
"Respect for personal beliefs = "I am going to tell you all what I think of YOU, but don't dare retort and tell what you think of ME because...it's my personal belief". Hmm. A bully's charter and no mistake."
User avatar
Thomas Eshuis
 
Name: Thomas Eshuis
Posts: 31088
Age: 31
Male

Country: Netherlands
European Union (eur)
Print view this post

Re: Misogyny and video game culture

#86  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Oct 23, 2014 2:58 pm

DarthHelmet86 wrote:I find it sickening when any one does that shit. I don't align with either side in this current "debate". Both are groups of people filled with sickening levels of hatred for the other side. And any real comments and ideas are being flooded by those people just spewing bile at people they hate.

Agreed. :nod:
"Respect for personal beliefs = "I am going to tell you all what I think of YOU, but don't dare retort and tell what you think of ME because...it's my personal belief". Hmm. A bully's charter and no mistake."
User avatar
Thomas Eshuis
 
Name: Thomas Eshuis
Posts: 31088
Age: 31
Male

Country: Netherlands
European Union (eur)
Print view this post

Re: Misogyny and video game culture

#87  Postby Thommo » Oct 23, 2014 3:00 pm

Chill out, I'm allowed to make points whether or not they coincide with your views.

It's perfectly acceptable for me to question whether it really is "sizeable" and in what context that's reasonable. A couple of sentences expressing how people are feeding colossal amounts of attention to a few idiots who represent about a ten thousandth of a percent of gamers is not a rant.

Incidentally the amount of hysteria over relatively minor issues is exactly what The Daily Show regularly criticizes Fox News for and posters here generally seem to agree that their moral panics are overreactions and not a great idea. I think we should at least compare and contrast appropriate reactions to things we read from other media sources.
User avatar
Thommo
 
Posts: 27175

Print view this post

Ads by Google


Re: Misogyny and video game culture

#88  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Oct 23, 2014 3:18 pm

Thommo wrote:Chill out, I'm allowed to make points whether or not they coincide with your views.

Of course, but it would be clearer and helpful if you pointed out when you're responding to my post or talking in general, in a post where you explicitely quote me.

Thommo wrote:It's perfectly acceptable for me to question whether it really is "sizeable" and in what context that's reasonable.

Of course, but it's not acceptable or reasonable to link that to a majority of the gaming population when I've made no such claim.
Again, if you're talking in general, specify that, especially when your making claims directly under quotes from my post.

Thommo wrote:A couple of sentences expressing how people are feeding colossal amounts of attention to a few idiots who represent about a ten thousandth of a percent of gamers is not a rant.

No, but responding to my post and then talking about a completely different point than I made, without transition, is.

Thommo wrote:Incidentally the amount of hysteria over relatively minor issues is exactly what The Daily Show regularly criticizes Fox News for and posters here generally seem to agree that their moral panics are overreactions and not a great idea. I think we should at least compare and contrast appropriate reactions to things we read from other media sources.

I'm not sure to what you're referring here, but I do not consider detailed death threats a minor issue.
"Respect for personal beliefs = "I am going to tell you all what I think of YOU, but don't dare retort and tell what you think of ME because...it's my personal belief". Hmm. A bully's charter and no mistake."
User avatar
Thomas Eshuis
 
Name: Thomas Eshuis
Posts: 31088
Age: 31
Male

Country: Netherlands
European Union (eur)
Print view this post

Re: Misogyny and video game culture

#89  Postby DarthHelmet86 » Oct 23, 2014 3:27 pm

I don't think they are a minor issue and when made they should be investigated by some form of police force. I also don't think using the fact that someone has sent you a death threat to disparage a whole group is a good thing either. I have seen a lot of gamergate has bad people in it so everyone in it should drop it or they are just as bad shit on twitter recently. I often wonder if the people spewing that would accept that because there are extreme feminists who call for the death of all male babies that everyone should just drop feminism or be as bad as those extreme people as a valid argument.

This has turned from a discussion about the ethics of writers of game reviews to two sides flinging as much shit at each other as they can and both sides are feeding off the shit flung at them to prove they are right. Bad arguments and emotive calls to attack the outsider are rife all over the place. And I can't wait for the time that people stop paying attention and the people feeding off that attention fall back into obscurity. Perhaps then we can actually have a discussion about the problems that doesn't feed into peoples need to be on the right side and to attack the outsider.
I. This is Not a Game
II. Here and Now, You are Alive
User avatar
DarthHelmet86
RS Donator
 
Posts: 10344
Age: 35
Male

Country: Australia
Australia (au)
Print view this post

Re: Misogyny and video game culture

#90  Postby Thommo » Oct 23, 2014 3:27 pm

Thomas Eshuis wrote:
Thommo wrote:Chill out, I'm allowed to make points whether or not they coincide with your views.

Of course, but it would be clearer and helpful if you pointed out when you're responding to my post or talking in general, in a post where you explicitely quote me.


Ok, here, I'll point it out. I was specifically responding to your post.

In your post you said "I find it quite sickening that there's a sizeable group of people issuing death threats to some of the female developers and activists.", I think that observation was worthy of a few sentences of comment.

Thomas Eshuis wrote:Of course, but it's not acceptable or reasonable to link that to a majority of the gaming population when I've made no such claim.
Again, if you're talking in general, specify that, especially when your making claims directly under quotes from my post.


I'm not talking in general, it's background to the specific question regarding your post.

Thomas Eshuis wrote:No, but responding to my post and then talking about a completely different point than I made, without transition, is.


It's not a completely different point, it's background to a specific and central point in your post.

Thomas Eshuis wrote:I'm not sure to what you're referring here, but I do not consider detailed death threats a minor issue.


Again, I make the same point - relative to what?

Fox News (and the rest of the tabloid 25/7 hysteria media machine) are currently creating a moral panic about Ebola in the USA, personally I think that a handful of internet trolls are relatively minor compared to Ebola, and yet the presentation of Ebola as "WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE ARRRGGGHHH" is still hideously misleading and out of all proportion.

Anyway, I repeat my plea. Please chill out, I wasn't assuming that you disagreed with me, or that you agreed with me, or that my post was a direct attempt at refuting yours. It was conversational, not looking for a line by line Fisking and dissection of every nuance of every word to be taken in the worst possible light. :cheers:
User avatar
Thommo
 
Posts: 27175

Print view this post

Re: Misogyny and video game culture

#91  Postby Thommo » Oct 23, 2014 3:29 pm

DarthHelmet86 wrote:This has turned from a discussion about the ethics of writers of game reviews to two sides flinging as much shit at each other as they can and both sides are feeding off the shit flung off them to prove they are right. Bad arguments and emotive calls to attack the outsider are rife all over the place. And I can't wait for the time that people stop paying attention and the people feeding off that attention fall back into obscurity. Perhaps then we can actually have a discussion about the problems that doesn't feed into peoples need to be on the right side and to attack the outsider.


QFT. :thumbup:
User avatar
Thommo
 
Posts: 27175

Print view this post

Re: Misogyny and video game culture

#92  Postby Boyle » Oct 23, 2014 4:30 pm

DarthHelmet86 wrote:This has turned from a discussion about the ethics of writers of game reviews to two sides flinging as much shit at each other as they can and both sides are feeding off the shit flung at them to prove they are right. Bad arguments and emotive calls to attack the outsider are rife all over the place. And I can't wait for the time that people stop paying attention and the people feeding off that attention fall back into obscurity. Perhaps then we can actually have a discussion about the problems that doesn't feed into peoples need to be on the right side and to attack the outsider.

That's the thing. I never even saw this as a discussion on journalism ethics. The initial posts that kicked it off were on Something Awful and 4chan, ffs, not exactly places renowned for their measured and appropriate responses to scandals and abusive partners. Now I've seen some discussions with the guy that posted those, and he seems a decent dude that felt he had no other recourse when it came to this. I dunno if I buy that, but whatever.

When I was looking into this a bit more I never saw support of the allegation that Quinn slept with reviewers to advance her career. That is, I never saw the favorable reviews on her game. Because there weren't any at the time, and as far as I know, still aren't.

It's hard to see this as being about gaming journalism. If you're privy to those reviews, I'd sure like to see them so I can think of this as something other that another reactionary blow-up about nothing.
Boyle
 
Posts: 1632

United States (us)
Print view this post

Re: Misogyny and video game culture

#93  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Oct 23, 2014 4:32 pm

Thommo wrote:
Thomas Eshuis wrote:
Thommo wrote:Chill out, I'm allowed to make points whether or not they coincide with your views.

Of course, but it would be clearer and helpful if you pointed out when you're responding to my post or talking in general, in a post where you explicitely quote me.


Ok, here, I'll point it out. I was specifically responding to your post.

In your post you said "I find it quite sickening that there's a sizeable group of people issuing death threats to some of the female developers and activists.", I think that observation was worthy of a few sentences of comment.

Except that you went from my statement to the gaming population in general, making it appear as if I was talking about them.

Thommo wrote:
Thomas Eshuis wrote:Of course, but it's not acceptable or reasonable to link that to a majority of the gaming population when I've made no such claim.
Again, if you're talking in general, specify that, especially when your making claims directly under quotes from my post.


I'm not talking in general, it's background to the specific question regarding your post.

And I wasn't talking about the entire gamers population in general, yet that was what you went to.

Thommo wrote:
Thomas Eshuis wrote:No, but responding to my post and then talking about a completely different point than I made, without transition, is.


It's not a completely different point, it's background to a specific and central point in your post..

FFS. It isn't. I wasn't talking about the gamer population in general, but about the people making the threats specifically.
Ergo your comment was either a misrepresentation or off the mark.

Thommo wrote:
Thomas Eshuis wrote:I'm not sure to what you're referring here, but I do not consider detailed death threats a minor issue.


Again, I make the same point - relative to what?

To the topic and the people in question.
As I mentioned this isn't about large issues like politics or religion and it isn't about world renowned people getting threatened.

Thommo wrote:Fox News (and the rest of the tabloid 25/7 hysteria media machine) are currently creating a moral panic about Ebola in the USA, personally I think that a handful of internet trolls are relatively minor compared to Ebola, and yet the presentation of Ebola as "WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE ARRRGGGHHH" is still hideously misleading and out of all proportion.

I can't care less what FOX and other hype news media do.
Even if less people are affected by this than by ebola, it's still people being threatened. It's an issue, regardless of it's size in relation to non-similar problems.

Thommo wrote:Anyway, I repeat my plea. Please chill out, I wasn't assuming that you disagreed with me, or that you agreed with me, or that my post was a direct attempt at refuting yours. It was conversational, not looking for a line by line Fisking and dissection of every nuance of every word to be taken in the worst possible light. :cheers:

Then allow me to repeat my plea as well.
Next time specify when you're talking about an issue in another light than the bits of my post you quoted.
"Respect for personal beliefs = "I am going to tell you all what I think of YOU, but don't dare retort and tell what you think of ME because...it's my personal belief". Hmm. A bully's charter and no mistake."
User avatar
Thomas Eshuis
 
Name: Thomas Eshuis
Posts: 31088
Age: 31
Male

Country: Netherlands
European Union (eur)
Print view this post

Re: Misogyny and video game culture

#94  Postby Rachel Bronwyn » Oct 23, 2014 4:40 pm

Thomas Eshuis wrote:They just did special report on gamergate on the news here yesterday.
Now regardless of your opinions about sexism in games and games designed for women, I find it quite sickening that there's a sizeable group of people issuing death threats to some of the female developers and activists.


And you should. Everybody should. The kneejerk response to this shouldn't be "Yeah, we'll, Richard Dawkins probably gets it worse". Richard Dawkins is higher profile than ANYONE involved in this shitshow and has made a career out of antagonizing religious people. The people recieving death threats in this case are..... at worst, wrong on the Internet.

And both sides aren't equivalent. Only one is issuing death threats against the other for having the audacity to.... talk. The other is saying "Those people threatening to kill me and everyone claiming I faked the threats are assholes". Let's not play that game.

I don't know where this idea that all gamers are being accused of being misogynists originates because no one has so much as implied such a sentiment to my knowledge. The, for lack of a better word, loudness of the hostility towards women within gaming has been pointed out and instead of "Dude, shut the fuck up" which is the right way to address the behaviour, the overwhelming response has been she's a shitty game developer or corrupt journalist or comments about these women's sex lives or racist caricatures of them, or threatening to kill them if they don't stop talking which, if they dare speak out about, results in accusations of lying. Why are these women saying things recieving so much more attention than the people threatening to kill them? Why are priorities such that death threats are something we downplay and piling on people recieving death threats seems reasonable?

No one thinks all or most gamers threaten to kill women. What people are wondering is why the ones who do aren't being told to shut the fuck up at anywhere near the rate these women are being criticised just for being disagreeable. They're wondering why it's so much more important to criticise women for having opinions than it is to marginalized and silence abusers who fall under that "gamer" label. They're wondering why, instead of "That's fucked up" the default response to women in gaming recieving death threats is to downplay the severity of the matter while emphasizing the wrongness of the women recieving the death threats.
what a terrible image
User avatar
Rachel Bronwyn
 
Name: speaking moistly
Posts: 13521
Age: 32
Female

Canada (ca)
Print view this post

Re: Misogyny and video game culture

#95  Postby Thommo » Oct 23, 2014 4:42 pm

Thomas Eshuis wrote:Next time specify when you're talking about an issue in another light than the bits of my post you quoted.


I did.
User avatar
Thommo
 
Posts: 27175

Print view this post

Ads by Google


Re: Misogyny and video game culture

#96  Postby Thommo » Oct 23, 2014 4:58 pm

Rachel Bronwyn wrote:
Thomas Eshuis wrote:They just did special report on gamergate on the news here yesterday.
Now regardless of your opinions about sexism in games and games designed for women, I find it quite sickening that there's a sizeable group of people issuing death threats to some of the female developers and activists.


And you should. Everybody should. The kneejerk response to this shouldn't be "Yeah, we'll, Richard Dawkins probably gets it worse". Richard Dawkins is higher profile than ANYONE involved in this shitshow and has made a career out of antagonizing religious people. The people recieving death threats in this case are..... at worst, wrong on the Internet.


I'm the only one who mentioned Dawkins, and two sentences made after following a media storm on and off for two months and making 5-6 posts in which neither Dawkins nor any other comparison to the victims was made is very far from a kneejerk.

I made the point that when 99% of the media-led coverage focuses on 0.0001% of people at the most extreme end of the spectrum the conversation isn't balanced. I believe and have clearly stated that death threats are unacceptable and should be prosecuted (although you're wrong to say that only one side in this fiasco has issued them), but the dialogue being dominated by the opinions of a select few is utterly pointless, if misogyny is an abnormally large issue among gamers, that will be apparent without continual recourse to the same couple of dozen people, it can be decided on the arguments and statements put forward by the majority. If the people who disagree with Dawkins are wrong, this will be apparent in exactly the same way, not because some nutjob with an anger problem wrote some screed.

Anita Sarkeesian and Zoe Quinn are, as you say, at worst wrong on the internets (and on TV, and in interviews), how exactly that's clearly completely different from Richard Dawkins, who is at worst wrong on the internets and in a book he wrote (and on TV, and in interviews) seems to be slightly unclear though.

Rachel Bronwyn wrote:No one thinks all or most gamers threaten to kill women. What people are wondering is why the ones who do aren't being told to shut the fuck up at anywhere near the rate these women are being criticised just for being disagreeable.


They are, every day. But there's only so many times people preface comments with "death threats are wrong" when an issue is discussed daily, by millions of people for two months.

It's a pretty pathetic criticism that most people would rather discuss the substance of what Anita Sarkeesian says than discuss a handful of trolls for the umpteenth time. It takes the most minimal amount of empathy to understand why that could be the case.
User avatar
Thommo
 
Posts: 27175

Print view this post

Re: Misogyny and video game culture

#97  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Oct 23, 2014 5:33 pm

Thommo wrote:
It's a pretty pathetic criticism that most people would rather discuss the substance of what Anita Sarkeesian says than discuss a handful of trolls for the umpteenth time. It takes the most minimal amount of empathy to understand why that could be the case.

Except that Sarkeesian isn't the only one receiving death threats, so to make this all about what Sarkeesian has said is also problematic.
"Respect for personal beliefs = "I am going to tell you all what I think of YOU, but don't dare retort and tell what you think of ME because...it's my personal belief". Hmm. A bully's charter and no mistake."
User avatar
Thomas Eshuis
 
Name: Thomas Eshuis
Posts: 31088
Age: 31
Male

Country: Netherlands
European Union (eur)
Print view this post

Re: Misogyny and video game culture

#98  Postby Thommo » Oct 23, 2014 5:36 pm

Thomas Eshuis wrote:
Thommo wrote:
It's a pretty pathetic criticism that most people would rather discuss the substance of what Anita Sarkeesian says than discuss a handful of trolls for the umpteenth time. It takes the most minimal amount of empathy to understand why that could be the case.

Except that Sarkeesian isn't the only one receiving death threats, so to make this all about what Sarkeesian has said is also problematic.


That's right, pretty much every single controversial figure on the internet gets death threats, including people on the other side of "gamergate" (good lord that's a stupid name, isn't it?). That's precisely why I think we shouldn't be keeping score and obsessing over the behaviour of a tiny minority of scummy trolls.
User avatar
Thommo
 
Posts: 27175

Print view this post

Re: Misogyny and video game culture

#99  Postby DarthHelmet86 » Oct 23, 2014 5:44 pm

Boyle wrote:
DarthHelmet86 wrote:This has turned from a discussion about the ethics of writers of game reviews to two sides flinging as much shit at each other as they can and both sides are feeding off the shit flung at them to prove they are right. Bad arguments and emotive calls to attack the outsider are rife all over the place. And I can't wait for the time that people stop paying attention and the people feeding off that attention fall back into obscurity. Perhaps then we can actually have a discussion about the problems that doesn't feed into peoples need to be on the right side and to attack the outsider.

That's the thing. I never even saw this as a discussion on journalism ethics. The initial posts that kicked it off were on Something Awful and 4chan, ffs, not exactly places renowned for their measured and appropriate responses to scandals and abusive partners. Now I've seen some discussions with the guy that posted those, and he seems a decent dude that felt he had no other recourse when it came to this. I dunno if I buy that, but whatever.

When I was looking into this a bit more I never saw support of the allegation that Quinn slept with reviewers to advance her career. That is, I never saw the favorable reviews on her game. Because there weren't any at the time, and as far as I know, still aren't.

It's hard to see this as being about gaming journalism. If you're privy to those reviews, I'd sure like to see them so I can think of this as something other that another reactionary blow-up about nothing.


So because I don't 100% agree with you I must be on the other side and must supply all the evidence? No thank you sir.

I at no point said I think Quinn slept with people to get better reviews, or that in doing so she got good reviews. I could not care any less about her sex life, her love life or any part of her life. The only thing I care about is when someone is in that close a relationship with someone and they make a critical review of their product they are open about it (And I should mention if they get called on it at a later date they should have the balls to admit they made a mistake and not try and brush it under the rug as not being a problem). The indie community is friendly with reviewers of their games and I want that to stay true, reviewers who love the idea of a game are more likely to be honest about what they didn't and do like about it. But there needs to be honesty, even if the game is getting panned and 0/10s there shouldn't be hidden relationships.

And that is all small fucking eggs compared to the real problem, which is paid for reviews by gaming PR firms and bullshit attempts at controlling the reviews, videos and streams of the game. There is a serious problem in the gaming world when it comes to the ethics of reviewers and game companies. It taints a fair amount of sites and is starting to work its way into the youtube reviewing community turning once trusted honest everyman reviewers into shills. Large corporations are using the same tactics they see work in other worlds of business and it is ruining gaming. Games made by committee to fit the market research, paint by numbers design and marketing pulled from the shady side of selling dodgy products is not what I want in my gaming. If you want to pretend this all must be a over reaction by a bunch of idiots go for it but I will be waiting to discuss the problem when the shit has cooled and people aren't trying to make this a great war to get as much attention as they can.
I. This is Not a Game
II. Here and Now, You are Alive
User avatar
DarthHelmet86
RS Donator
 
Posts: 10344
Age: 35
Male

Country: Australia
Australia (au)
Print view this post

Re: Misogyny and video game culture

#100  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Oct 23, 2014 5:46 pm

Thommo wrote:
Thomas Eshuis wrote:
Thommo wrote:
It's a pretty pathetic criticism that most people would rather discuss the substance of what Anita Sarkeesian says than discuss a handful of trolls for the umpteenth time. It takes the most minimal amount of empathy to understand why that could be the case.

Except that Sarkeesian isn't the only one receiving death threats, so to make this all about what Sarkeesian has said is also problematic.


That's right, pretty much every single controversial figure on the internet gets death threats, including people on the other side of "gamergate" (good lord that's a stupid name, isn't it?). That's precisely why I think we shouldn't be keeping score and obsessing over the behaviour of a tiny minority of scummy trolls.

No-one mentioned keeping scores.
And death threats are not something to be ignored.
"Respect for personal beliefs = "I am going to tell you all what I think of YOU, but don't dare retort and tell what you think of ME because...it's my personal belief". Hmm. A bully's charter and no mistake."
User avatar
Thomas Eshuis
 
Name: Thomas Eshuis
Posts: 31088
Age: 31
Male

Country: Netherlands
European Union (eur)
Print view this post

PreviousNext

Return to Video Games

Who is online

Users viewing this topic: No registered users and 3 guests