[quote="punter18";p="1339034"]Entschuldigung Sie, bitte...
Today in my class we were asked to write a letter (ca. 30 wörter)
Schreiben Sie an die Touristeninformation in Dresden:
- Sie kommen im August nach Dresden.
-Bitte Sim un Informationen über Film, Theater, Museen usw(?) [Kulturprogramm]
- Bitten Sie um Hoteladdressen
I will reproduce what I wrote in the class:
Sehr geehrter Herr Müller,
Ich heiße Johnny punter. Ich komme mit meiner Familie im August nach Dresden. Ich hätte gerne Informationen über Kinos, Theater und Museen. Weiterhin benötige ich Hoteladressen für den angegebenen Zeitraum. Meine Handynummer ist xxx.
Bitte rufen Sie mich abends an.
Vielen Dank.
Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
Johnny punter
It took me 15 minutes to write it this way. But the teacher told me, that the letter could still do much better in grammatical construction, and that we took a little too long to write it. Overall, though, she was satisfied with everyone's performance. What do you think I am doing wrong there?
Danke![/quote]
Ich spreche ein wenig Deutsch
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Thank you for the correction.
But I have a few doubts to correct. I'll start with the most stupid one. In plural form, we write die Familie, right? Then if I were to write a reply in negative, I would say ... keine Famile. Therefore I wrote.... meine Familie.
[Except of course, I have not properly read the chapter on possessive verb form]
But my use of the word 'Termin' was totally wrong there.
Our teacher asked us especially to take care of the 'politeness' in the opening and closing address form in the letter. They will carry some weight in our written assessment test. I will memorize those phrases too. Viele danke.
But I have a few doubts to correct. I'll start with the most stupid one. In plural form, we write die Familie, right? Then if I were to write a reply in negative, I would say ... keine Famile. Therefore I wrote.... meine Familie.
But was my use of the word 'brauche' in the context totally wrong?Ich hätte gerne Informationen
Gotta memorize some of that.Weiterhin benötige ich Hoteladressen für den angegbenen Zeitraum
Our teacher asked us especially to take care of the 'politeness' in the opening and closing address form in the letter. They will carry some weight in our written assessment test. I will memorize those phrases too. Viele danke.
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I was working under the assumption that you write a letter, not an email, therefore the formal
Sehr geehrter Herr Müller
Ich benötige/ ich hätte gerne is more formal than brauche and a tad less demanding. But this is really about nuances.
Sehr geehrter Herr Müller
Ich benötige/ ich hätte gerne is more formal than brauche and a tad less demanding. But this is really about nuances.
No, they ain't makin' Jews like Jesus anymore,
They don't turn the other cheek the way they done before.
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They don't turn the other cheek the way they done before.
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But I have a few doubts to correct. I'll start with the most stupid one. In plural form, we write die Familie, right? Then if I were to write a reply in negative, I would say ... keine Famile. Therefore I wrote.... meine Familie.
[Except of course, I have not properly read the chapter on possessive verb form][/quote]
"meine Familie" would have been correct had you written "Meine Familie und ich kommen... etc.". Since, however, you are coming with your family and they - therefore aren't the subject of the sentence you're gonna need another case. Hence "mit meiner Familie".
But I have a few doubts to correct. I'll start with the most stupid one. In plural form, we write die Familie, right? Then if I were to write a reply in negative, I would say ... keine Famile. Therefore I wrote.... meine Familie.
"meine Familie" would have been correct had you written "Meine Familie und ich kommen... etc.". Since, however, you are coming with your family and they - therefore aren't the subject of the sentence you're gonna need another case. Hence "mit meiner Familie".
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[quote="Mazille";p="1339317"][quote="punter18";p="1339083"]
But I have a few doubts to correct. I'll start with the most stupid one. In plural form, we write die Familie, right? Then if I were to write a reply in negative, I would say ... keine Famile. Therefore I wrote.... meine Familie.
[Except of course, I have not properly read the chapter on possessive verb form][/quote]
"meine Familie" would have been correct had you written "Meine Familie und ich kommen... etc.". Since, however, you are coming with your family and they - therefore aren't the subject of the sentence you're gonna need another case. Hence "mit meiner Familie".
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From a purely descriptive p.o.v., does singular subject mit [noun phrase] ever cause plural congruence on the verb in colloquial German? This seems crosslinguistically a rather common phenomenon.
But I have a few doubts to correct. I'll start with the most stupid one. In plural form, we write die Familie, right? Then if I were to write a reply in negative, I would say ... keine Famile. Therefore I wrote.... meine Familie.
"meine Familie" would have been correct had you written "Meine Familie und ich kommen... etc.". Since, however, you are coming with your family and they - therefore aren't the subject of the sentence you're gonna need another case. Hence "mit meiner Familie".
From a purely descriptive p.o.v., does singular subject mit [noun phrase] ever cause plural congruence on the verb in colloquial German? This seems crosslinguistically a rather common phenomenon.
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I'm not sure if I understand correctly. Do you mean if having a sentence with a singular subject connected to another noun via "mit" (eg: ich mit meiner Familie) ever results in a plural form of the verb?
No, not that I know of.
No, not that I know of.
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[quote="Regina";p="1339182"]I was working under the assumption that you write a letter, not an email, therefore the formal
Sehr geehrter Herr Müller
Ich benötige/ ich hätte gerne is more formal than brauche and a tad less demanding. But this is really about nuances.[/quote]
Yes, indeed this is supposed to be written in letter form. That's why we were suggested to use "Sehr geeherde Damen und Herren" in the opening line. Of course, now thanks to you, I know the variation.
And since it's meant to be as polite as possible, if Ich hätte gerne is less demanding than brauche, I will obviously choose the former.
Sehr geehrter Herr Müller
Ich benötige/ ich hätte gerne is more formal than brauche and a tad less demanding. But this is really about nuances.[/quote]
Yes, indeed this is supposed to be written in letter form. That's why we were suggested to use "Sehr geeherde Damen und Herren" in the opening line. Of course, now thanks to you, I know the variation.
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[quote="Mazille";p="1339340"]I'm not sure if I understand correctly. Do you mean if having a sentence with a singular subject connected to another noun via "mit" (eg: ich mit meiner Familie) ever results in a plural form of the verb?
No, not that I know of.[/quote]
Yes, this happens in a lot of languages world wide - in some, even in the standard forms! It seems a rather natural kind of thing to do, have the verb express that it's kind of collectively done, but how the subject and the ~accompanying parties are split in different constituents maybe permit some kind of focus or topicalization of one specific subject. In Finnish this happens often in the colloquial form, but I've read of several other languages where it's usual.
Does German verb congruence ever do unexpected things - either in the standard language, in some dialects you know of, or just colloquial German? These kinds of things interest me.
No, not that I know of.[/quote]
Yes, this happens in a lot of languages world wide - in some, even in the standard forms! It seems a rather natural kind of thing to do, have the verb express that it's kind of collectively done, but how the subject and the ~accompanying parties are split in different constituents maybe permit some kind of focus or topicalization of one specific subject. In Finnish this happens often in the colloquial form, but I've read of several other languages where it's usual.
Does German verb congruence ever do unexpected things - either in the standard language, in some dialects you know of, or just colloquial German? These kinds of things interest me.
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Could you give me an example, even if it's just translated from Finnish to English or something? I know what you mean, but I can't really think of an example where this would happen in German. Maybe a template would help me get my brain-juices going.
Probably. Language tends to do weird things and German is no exception. Can't think of anything like you suggest now, though.Does German verb congruence ever do unexpected things - either in the standard language, in some dialects you know of, or just colloquial German? These kinds of things interest me.
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