Game of Thrones

[Animavore]

I feel like this is putting another boot in when the person is not already down, but long dead. But this is a good one.




EDIT: Damn! Already posted.

[Animavore]

[quote="Thomas Eshuis";p="2712619"][quote="purplerat";p="2712610"]GoT, both the TV series and the books, has major story problems starting somewhere between seasons/books 3 & 4. Season 8 didn't make those problems worse it just didn't fix them.[/quote]
And added additional problems all on it's own.[/quote]

They fuck you up, your mum and dad.
They may not mean to, but they do.
They fill you with the faults they had
And add some extra, just for you.

[Thomas Eshuis]

[quote="Animavore";p="2726555"][quote="Thomas Eshuis";p="2712619"][quote="purplerat";p="2712610"]GoT, both the TV series and the books, has major story problems starting somewhere between seasons/books 3 & 4. Season 8 didn't make those problems worse it just didn't fix them.[/quote]
And added additional problems all on it's own.[/quote]

They fuck you up, your mum and dad.
They may not mean to, but they do.
They fill you with the faults they had
And add some extra, just for you.

[/quote]

[devogue]

Watched Game of Thrones for the first time.

Got to episode 4 of the last season and gave in to boredom and stopped.

My wife has called me a cunt and a wanker but after listening to the Hound I'll be okay.

Just got sick of looking at the dipsy blond who pisses around instead of using her fucking dragons properly.

Fucking mayhem in our house tonight. Best drama I've started in 10 years.

[arugula2]

What you should do as amends is start reading the books, but stop after book 3.

[Fallible]

Why would you go through seven seasons to stop a handful of episodes from the end?

[Spinozasgalt]

She uses her dragons properly in the second last episode.

[devogue]

[quote="Fallible";p="2749311"]Why would you go through seven seasons to stop a handful of episodes from the end?[/quote]
I was irritated by a lot of it (eg dragging the crippled boy around in the snow forever) and I felt that with the dead people beaten the rest of it didn’t really matter.

[arugula2]

SPOILERS!

[Hermit]

Oh. A nine year old thread with thousands of posts, and I have not contributed a single post until about a minute or three from now. I must make amends with an unbidden opinion.

When the original series was about to screen various media filled up with trailers. The one I watched gave me the impression that the setting was somewhat medieval. Then footage of an attractive woman was shown. She had impeccably coiffed, blond hair, black eyebrows so neat they looked painted on, and there was not a speck of dust on her as she flew through the air, riding on the back of a huge, reptilian animal the design of which may have been inspired by one of those creatures in Jurassic Park. By the end of that trailer I had formed the kind of opinion many of you appear to have arrived at eight years later, albeit for different reasons.

[LucidFlight]

I had first heard of GoT when I was working at a television company, many years ago now. Actors from the show were special guests at a company lunch thing, with finger foods and sandwiches laid out — although, technically, sandwiches are finger foods as well, I guess. I don't remember who the actors were, nor did I go to the special lunch. I believe a few of us from the technical team went to Nando's for lunch instead.

Anyway, about two years and seasons later, a friend suggested that I should watch the show. I had not watched any trailers and didn't know much about it, other than the medieval setting. I didn't know about any dragons or mystical creatures. My primary enjoyment was derived from watching the antics of Sean Bean's character and the fat king (played by Mark Addy).

Of course, the first episode and developing storyline had me hooked, and I have since watched the first few seasons a number of times. I think around season 5 or 6, I was too far in to not want to seek the conclusion, so I stuck it out to the end.

Would I watch it again? Perhaps, but mainly for the good production, the scenes, costumes, and settings.

[devogue]

[quote="Hermit";p="2749358"]Oh. A nine year old thread with thousands of posts, and I have not contributed a single post until about a minute or three from now. I must make amends with an unbidden opinion.

When the original series was about to screen various media filled up with trailers. The one I watched gave me the impression that the setting was somewhat medieval. Then footage of an attractive woman was shown. She had impeccably coiffed, blond hair, black eyebrows so neat they looked painted on, and there was not a speck of dust on her as she flew through the air, riding on the back of a huge, reptilian animal the design of which may have been inspired by one of those creatures in Jurassic Park. By the end of that trailer I had formed the kind of opinion many of you appear to have arrived at eight years later, albeit for different reasons.[/quote]

Pretty much.

Even the tits got boring after a while.

[aufbahrung]

Dragons burning down the city - not impressed with much else.

[Hermit]

[quote="devogue";p="2749367"][quote="Hermit";p="2749358"]Oh. A nine year old thread with thousands of posts, and I have not contributed a single post until about a minute or three from now. I must make amends with an unbidden opinion.

When the original series was about to screen various media filled up with trailers. The one I watched gave me the impression that the setting was somewhat medieval. Then footage of an attractive woman was shown. She had impeccably coiffed, blond hair, black eyebrows so neat they looked painted on, and there was not a speck of dust on her as she flew through the air, riding on the back of a huge, reptilian animal the design of which may have been inspired by one of those creatures in Jurassic Park. By the end of that trailer I had formed the kind of opinion many of you appear to have arrived at eight years later, albeit for different reasons.[/quote]
Pretty much.

Even the tits got boring after a while.[/quote]
I bet you did not get all that excited by the much publicised instances of rape and incest either. That would explain why you watched all episodes up to the last four of the last season and gave in to boredom, then stopped because you "got sick of looking at the dipsy blond who pisses around instead of using her fucking dragons properly".

[Fallible]

What’s that, impeccable hair and not a speck of dust on her?







...and so on.

Almost the entire cast is covered in shit at one time or another. One of its main themes is that everyone ends up covered in or looking like shit.

[Fallible]

[quote="devogue";p="2749321"][quote="Fallible";p="2749311"]Why would you go through seven seasons to stop a handful of episodes from the end?[/quote]
I was irritated by a lot of it (eg dragging the crippled boy around in the snow forever) and I felt that with the dead people beaten the rest of it didn’t really matter.[/quote]

Still doesn’t makes sense. You invest all that time and then just stop. Computer says no.

[arugula2]

This is an interesting traipsing. Let’s see... I read the books first, then avoided the show bc it was clear that some yummy plot elements were fucked with. For example, no forest person suddenly appearing at a soldier’s encampment, looking into the fire, pointing terrified at Arya, and then disappearing just as suddenly, hellllooooo? Quite literally in the middle of war? Like the eye of a storm, except the storm is so much bigger and more ancient than some petty land grab among nobles. That was the most powerful moment in all the 5 (so far) books for me. Gone. But instead you have Arya randomly encounter the red priestess, to... give that actor more things to do, I guess? Fuck right off.

But once the show had progressed, I tried - twice - to watch it. First gave up in the middle of season 4, at the insultingly bad encounters between Theon’s sister and the Bolton bastard. Fuuuuuuck oooooooooff please. That was while season 7 airing. Once the show had wrapped up, I did the 7 free days of HBO, and tried to push through. Pretty much all the ways the plot diverges from the books was annoying, but at least most of the acting was decent. I already hated Daenerys & Jon from the books (the 2 most odious non-Bolton characters, imo) so they didn’t bother me particularly much, and Jon is actually much more robust in the show. Not enough Manderly, obviously. A little too much Littlefinger.

Middle of season 6 to the end of the show was the best stretch. They got the pacing right. Most of the remaining characters became more interesting. Well, basically, Sansa did... that’s about it. I agree that with the show’s story arc, and if you’re not particularly invested in the individual Starks, it kind of makes sense to stop after the “shattering” (let’s call it). For me, the ancient lore of the place & how it ties to the “real” crisis was always the true focus of the story... and the game of thrones was the surface distraction. When you look at it this way, devogue’s nonchalance fits just fine.

As bad as books 4 & 5 were collectively, I am still curious how GRRM is going to present those resolutions. The “shattering” can’t happen before the end of book 6, imo, or the very start of book 7. And then you have almost a whole ‘nother book to go. I can’t imagine he’d spend an entire book resolving game-of-thrones bullshit... unless he intersperses it with yummy lore and forest beings throughout. That could be fun. ( )

Added: they totally deformed Grey Worm as a character, no pun intended. I’d avoid the rest of the show just to avoid him in it, except... he’d pretty much vanished by then, no? Lol. I expect GRRM gives him a noble death in a muddy ditch... unless he changes his mind.

[arugula2]

[quote="Hermit";p="2749358"]When the original series was about to screen various media filled up with trailers. The one I watched gave me the impression that the setting was somewhat medieval. Then footage of an attractive woman was shown. She had impeccably coiffed, blond hair, black eyebrows so neat they looked painted on, and there was not a speck of dust on her as she flew through the air, riding on the back of a huge, reptilian animal the design of which may have been inspired by one of those creatures in Jurassic Park. By the end of that trailer I had formed the kind of opinion many of you appear to have arrived at eight years later, albeit for different reasons.[/quote]
Speaking of Michael Crichton, he also taught us that the dustiness of medievals is a modern bias. Also, what Fallible wrote.

[arugula2]

I wonder also if, in hindsight when he’s done, it’ll become apparent that the [humans & dragons] layer is tacked on, and the core of the story was always going to be [the-time-before & humans]. Let’s remember that the dragons, and much of Daenerys’s arc most likely, are only in it because GRRM’s niece insisted... or something.

[Hermit]

[quote="Fallible";p="2749377"]What’s that, impeccable hair and not a speck of dust on her?[/quote]
That is how the woman appeared in the trailer I watched.

[quote="arugula2";p="2749420"]Speaking of Michael Crichton, he also taught us that the dustiness of medievals is a modern bias. Also, what Fallible wrote.[/quote]
Wonderful. The opinion of a novelist and filmmaker with a degree in biological anthropology. Fits right in with the "dark ages were not dark" interpretation of history.

I suggest you watch this documentary. It was actually filmed in medieval times