The Matrix is a 'trans metaphor', Lilly Wachowski says

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The Matrix is a 'trans metaphor', Lilly Wachowski says

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The Matrix is a 'trans metaphor', Lilly Wachowski says

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The Matrix films are about being transgender, the trilogy's co-director says.

"That was the original intention but the world wasn't quite ready," says Lilly Wachowski, who came out as trans along with her sister Lana after the films came out.

Fans have speculated about potential meanings behind the iconic films and Lilly confirmed the theory to Netflix.

"I'm glad that it has gotten out," she said.

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[quote="aufbahrung";p="2755991"]
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Where?
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Where? The premise, dude.
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Ah, well now you have to click on every letter and punctuation mark to find the link. Or...
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Additionally, I love the fact that red pillers are likely losing their shit over this.
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I love how much this has all gotten under the author of the RT piece's skin. Such an indignant diatribe.
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The Matrix is about realization that the brain does not care. Then there is the never made Return to the Matrix - where living in the matrix is actually cool and eco-friendly and the brain does not care - was never made only because who would be the bad guys?
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Animavore wrote:I love how much this has all gotten under the author of the RT piece's skin. Such an indignant diatribe.
It's only slightly indignant...
From the piece:
Saying ‘The Matrix’ is a trans allegory is not wrong. It’s a worthwhile interpretation of the film.
And it ends with a suitably jaundiced (and probably accurate) observation...
Coincidentally, there is also a fourth ‘Matrix’ movie in the works and set to hit theaters – if those are ever a thing again – next year. Sounds like a pretty good reason to try and kick up conversation about why the 1999 film is oh-so-relevant today.
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The true meaning was completely lost on me then :lol:

I like it because of the shiny special effects :smoke:
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[quote="campermon";p="2756042"]The true meaning was completely lost on me then :lol:

I like it because of the shiny special effects :smoke:[/quote]
Yes, and the much-loathed sequels are still worth a watch, IMO, on account of those special FX. The highway sequence in 'Matrix Reloaded' is especially good.

And the Architect scene in 'Reloaded' at least gave us this parody scene (with the great George Carlin) in 'Scary Movie 3'...

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[quote="Fallible";p="2756027"]Ah, well now you have to click on every letter and punctuation mark to find the link. Or...[/quote]
Or you could copypaste "The Matrix is a 'trans metaphor', Lilly Wachowski says" into whatever search engine you use. Who knows, it might just pop up the exact BBC article auf quoted from in the opening post.
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This is old news. But it's led to every single trans woman I know going, "See!??!!?!"
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[quote="Hermit";p="2756074"][quote="Fallible";p="2756027"]Ah, well now you have to click on every letter and punctuation mark to find the link. Or...[/quote]
Or you could copypaste "The Matrix is a 'trans metaphor', Lilly Wachowski says" into whatever search engine you use. Who knows, it might just pop up the exact BBC article auf quoted from in the opening post.[/quote]
Or, when someone quotes text from an article they can do as they're supposed to, and post a clear link.
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[quote="SafeAsMilk";p="2756102"][quote="Hermit";p="2756074"][quote="Fallible";p="2756027"]Ah, well now you have to click on every letter and punctuation mark to find the link. Or...[/quote]
Or you could copypaste "The Matrix is a 'trans metaphor', Lilly Wachowski says" into whatever search engine you use. Who knows, it might just pop up the exact BBC article auf quoted from in the opening post.[/quote]
Or, when someone quotes text from an article they can do as they're supposed to, and post a clear link.[/quote]
That is of course the optimal scenario. I just suggested a possible fix for this one, and any similar situations that may occur in the future. Sorry 'bout that.
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I guess I can see elements in The Matrix that work as a metaphor for being trans. I'm not sure they have all that much to say about it though.

The first film was legitimately great either way.
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[quote="Hermit";p="2756105"][quote="SafeAsMilk";p="2756102"][quote="Hermit";p="2756074"][quote="Fallible";p="2756027"]Ah, well now you have to click on every letter and punctuation mark to find the link. Or...[/quote]
Or you could copypaste "The Matrix is a 'trans metaphor', Lilly Wachowski says" into whatever search engine you use. Who knows, it might just pop up the exact BBC article auf quoted from in the opening post.[/quote]
Or, when someone quotes text from an article they can do as they're supposed to, and post a clear link.[/quote]
That is of course the optimal scenario. I just suggested a possible fix for this one, and any similar situations that may occur in the future. Sorry 'bout that.[/quote]
You can rest assured that option was considered by me, and likely anyone else who was interested 8-)
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[quote="Thommo";p="2756107"]I guess I can see elements in The Matrix that work as a metaphor for being trans. I'm not sure they have all that much to say about it though.

The first film was legitimately great either way.[/quote]
Having missed the trans metaphor altogether when I watched The Matrix, I regarded the movie as a vulgarised adaptation of Aldous Huxley's Brave new World. The action scenes left me cold. So cold I fell asleep well before the movie's end, and I did not bother catching up with the unwatched part.

Huxley probably plagiarised Yevgeny Zamyatin's novel We, which was published eleven years earlier, but it remains worth reading in its own right. What it lacks in action scenes (thank goodness), it makes up with philosophical substance.
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