The Rings of Power gets funny

[Spearthrower]

[quote="Azaghal";p="2792486"]What can be done is extrapolating how he might react from known biographical details about the man, rather than what Spearthrower did, which was projecting his own psychological characteristics onto Tolkien.[/quote]

Which empirically did not happen in the slightest as can be seen by what I actually wrote, whereas you went off projecting your anachronistic political persuasions.

It's the same lazy bollocks as last time you were here.

[Spearthrower]

[quote="Azaghal";p="2792478"]"Look, I know you're right but fuck ALL the way off."

Good times!

[quote="Spearthrower";p="2792468"]Stop rubbing yourself off in public and no one will have anything to comment on.[/quote]

The penispenispenis obsession is entirely yours and I am not in public.[/quote]


You have an obsession with obsessions, doncha?

Always reaching, always hoping, always projecting that other people are obsessed with you rather than just finding your nonsensical wittering amusing.

[Spearthrower]

How kooky batshittery works:

Pretend that actual evidence should be dismissed on the grounds of evidence-free declarations about conspiracy theories, while expecting others to find your mate Dave from down the pub's opinion to be perceived as gospel.

[Spearthrower]

[quote="Azaghal";p="2792425"]I can actually supply citations if needed and won't make excuses. [/quote]

[quote="Azaghal";p="2792425"]More importantly, Nielsen is the same organization whose numbers Amazon has consistently found fault with and the same organization whose numbers suggest that RoP is running out of steam as early as season 1. Honestly this whole situation is looking like a recap of when some (former) high school friends gloated about how scuffed Burning Man the Dakota Access Pipeline protests succeeded in preventing oil infrastructure not actually on an Indian reservation from being constructed, leading to opportunities for hilarity like pointing out that the supposed images of the popo burning down tipis were actually just still frames from the HBO production of Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee.[/quote]


Nielson's actual numbers, cited here many times, show that RoP is 3rd in the most viewed streamed content with 988 million minutes of viewing in the US alone.

https://www.nielsen.com/top-ten/

It's right there. Everyone can view it independently.

Writing a sentence that states the opposite, claims that the very source you keep ignoring or trying to explain away is in fact telling us the exact contrary to what it clearly says is beyond disingenuous, but is entirely to form.

[Azaghal]

[quote="Spearthrower";p="2792490"][quote="Azaghal";p="2792486"]What can be done is extrapolating how he might react from known biographical details about the man, rather than what Spearthrower did, which was projecting his own psychological characteristics onto Tolkien.[/quote]

Which empirically did not happen in the slightest as can be seen by what I actually wrote[/quote]

OK. Why would Tolkien like RoP?

[quote="Spearthrower";p="2792491"]You have an obsession with obsessions, doncha?[/quote]

No, just pointing out that you'd be seen as making a better case if you would talk more about non-cock-related subjects and making "NO U" responses when encouraged to do so.

[quote="Spearthrower";p="2792492"]Pretend that actual evidence should be dismissed on the grounds of evidence-free declarations about conspiracy theories, while expecting others to find your mate Dave from down the pub's opinion to be perceived as gospel.[/quote]

Except that Business Insider for example isn't "my mate Dave from the pub" and, honestly, neither is reviewer Nerdrotic.

[quote="Spearthrower";p="2792496"]Writing a sentence that states the opposite, claims that the very source you keep ignoring or trying to explain away is in fact telling us the exact contrary to what it clearly says is beyond disingenuous, but is entirely to form.[/quote]

Nielsen's numbers also show a decline in viewership with each episode, which is why Amazon has had a bug up their ass about them. You'd think they would have had more ink to spill on their flagship series in the Q3 report besides the recycled figure from Jennifer Salke, from three weeks earlier, about "bro trust me bro we're about to crack 100 million viewers bro" but it appears they don't really have all that much to trumpet about. That would go a long way towards explaining all the deleted YouTube comments and IMDb reviews. I'm not saying any of this to dissuade you from ceasing to be so smug and up your own ass about the subject matter; as in a number of past instances I've experienced, that part comes a bit later. And boy is it funny!

[Spearthrower]

[quote="Azaghal";p="2792498"][quote="Spearthrower";p="2792490"][quote="Azaghal";p="2792486"]What can be done is extrapolating how he might react from known biographical details about the man, rather than what Spearthrower did, which was projecting his own psychological characteristics onto Tolkien.[/quote]

Which empirically did not happen in the slightest as can be seen by what I actually wrote[/quote]

OK. Why would Tolkien like RoP?[/quote]

Uh how about you read what I already wrote and you supposedly replied to?

http://www.rationalskepticism.org/the-a ... l#p2792474


[quote="Azaghal";p="2792498"][quote="Spearthrower";p="2792491"]You have an obsession with obsessions, doncha?[/quote]

No, just pointing out that you'd be seen as making a better case if you would talk more about non-cock-related subjects and making "NO U" responses when encouraged to do so.[/quote]

I'll talk about what I like, when I like, but thanks for your kind suggestions.



[quote="Azaghal";p="2792498"][quote="Spearthrower";p="2792492"]Pretend that actual evidence should be dismissed on the grounds of evidence-free declarations about conspiracy theories, while expecting others to find your mate Dave from down the pub's opinion to be perceived as gospel.[/quote]

Except that Business Insider for example isn't "my mate Dave from the pub" and, honestly, neither is reviewer Nerdrotic.[/quote]

Except that Business Insider, for example, doesn't present any evidence that supports your repeated claim that RoP is 'bombing'. Maybe wave your hands a bit if you want to distract me.



[quote="Azaghal";p="2792498"][quote="Spearthrower";p="2792496"]Writing a sentence that states the opposite, claims that the very source you keep ignoring or trying to explain away is in fact telling us the exact contrary to what it clearly says is beyond disingenuous, but is entirely to form.[/quote]

Nielsen's numbers also show a decline in viewership with each episode, which is why Amazon has had a bug up their ass about them. You'd think they would have had more ink to spill on their flagship series in the Q3 report besides the recycled figure from Jennifer Salke, from three weeks earlier, about "bro trust me bro we're about to crack 100 million viewers bro" but it appears they don't really have all that much to trumpet about. That would go a long way towards explaining all the deleted YouTube comments and IMDb reviews. I'm not saying any of this to dissuade you from ceasing to be so smug and up your own ass about the subject matter; as in a number of past instances I've experienced, that part comes a bit later. And boy is it funny![/quote]

Nielson's actual numbers, cited here many times, show that RoP is 3rd in the most viewed streamed content with 988 million minutes of viewing in the US alone.

https://www.nielsen.com/top-ten/

It's right there. Everyone can view it independently.

Writing a sentence that states the opposite, claims that the very source you keep ignoring or trying to explain away is in fact telling us the exact contrary to what it clearly says is beyond disingenuous, but is entirely to form.

[Spearthrower]

So, factually, RoP cannot be described as 'bombing'.

To do so, one would need to be fully immersed in post-truthism, likely driven by social media, and in possession of a mind that's fallen down the inductive fallacy well and hit its head on every protruding brick all the way down.

Sue, Sarah and Bob saying X on social media doesn't mean X is true, it means that Sue, Sarah and Bob have an opinion. Opinions are fine and wonderful things but can never supersede data and evidence.

[Azaghal]

[quote="Spearthrower";p="2792501"][quote="Azaghal";p="2792498"][quote="Spearthrower";p="2792490"][quote="Azaghal";p="2792486"]What can be done is extrapolating how he might react from known biographical details about the man, rather than what Spearthrower did, which was projecting his own psychological characteristics onto Tolkien.[/quote]

Which empirically did not happen in the slightest as can be seen by what I actually wrote[/quote]

OK. Why would Tolkien like RoP?[/quote]

Uh how about you read what I already wrote and you supposedly replied to?

http://www.rationalskepticism.org/the-a ... l#p2792474[/quote]

"I think Tolkien would love to see his work continue to mean something to future generation"

Which would be fine except that "his work" ≠ RoP.

[quote="Spearthrower";p="2792501"]I'll talk about what I like, when I like, but thanks for your kind suggestions.[/quote]

Well I guess continuing to make creepy, perverted remarks is always an option.

[quote="Azaghal";p="2792498"]Except that Business Insider, for example, doesn't present any evidence that supports your repeated claim that RoP is 'bombing'.[/quote]

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(Look everyone! It's Mary Sue Galadriel!)

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...and this is coming from a mainstream news article written by someone who claimed that any griping about black Dwarves being needlessly shoehorned into the series despite their two bases in Tolkien's work is just motivated by "racism".

I can guarantee that season 2 is going to be even funnier than the current shitshow.

[Spearthrower]

[quote="Azaghal";p="2792517"][quote="Spearthrower";p="2792501"][quote="Azaghal";p="2792498"][quote="Spearthrower";p="2792490"]

Which empirically did not happen in the slightest as can be seen by what I actually wrote[/quote]

OK. Why would Tolkien like RoP?[/quote]

Uh how about you read what I already wrote and you supposedly replied to?

http://www.rationalskepticism.org/the-a ... l#p2792474[/quote]

"I think Tolkien would love to see his work continue to mean something to future generation"

Which would be fine except that "his work" ≠ RoP.[/quote]

You didn't manage to read the whole thing, did ya?

Almost like you explicitly ignored the remainder just to be an arse!

I think Tolkien would love to see his work continue to mean something to future generations - it was, after all, an emulation of a mythic cultural narrative, and mythic cultural narratives survive the eons by being retold in a way that resonates with current generations.

[quote="Azaghal";p="2792517"][quote="Spearthrower";p="2792501"]I'll talk about what I like, when I like, but thanks for your kind suggestions.[/quote]

Well I guess continuing to make creepy, perverted remarks is always an option.[/quote]

Just as you continuing to stroke yourself off in public remains an option, but one that will continue to be commented on with revulsion.


[quote="Azaghal";p="2792517"][quote="Azaghal";p="2792498"]Except that Business Insider, for example, doesn't present any evidence that supports your repeated claim that RoP is 'bombing'.[/quote]

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(Look everyone! It's Mary Sue Galadriel!)

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[/quote]

Look everyone! GOSSIP! Look at the speculation and innuendo - aren't they more fun that the boring old evidence which completely contradicts my repeated assertions?


[quote="Azaghal";p="2792517"]...and this is coming from a mainstream news article written by someone who claimed that any griping about black Dwarves being needlessly shoehorned into the series despite their two bases in Tolkien's work is just motivated by "racism".[/quote]

"This' being nothing at all in support of anything you've claimed - yes, we can read.

[quote="Azaghal";p="2792517"]I can guarantee that season 2 is going to be even funnier than the current shitshow.[/quote]

Because the guarantees of someone willfully ignoring facts and chanting their false wish-thinking like a mantra are worth a wazz.

[Spearthrower]

If viewer count didn't drop off after 2 episodes, it'd be highly unusual. Long established honeymoon phase phenomenon of new streamed series. You've paid for it already, so you might as well take a look even if it's not to your taste - don't like it? When do you drop it? Me, I drop it in moments, but many people are more tolerant of poor entertainment and continue on for some time.

But this is all wholly irrelevant when you can simply look at the viewing numbers and respective ranking. 988 million minutes is 988 million minutes, no amount of nose-wiggling can change that.

[Azaghal]

[quote="Spearthrower";p="2792519"]If viewer count didn't drop off after 2 episodes, it'd be highly unusual.[/quote]

It's been continuing to drop ever since, which calls into question with how much it's really "resonating" as you put it.

[quote="Spearthrower";p="2792519"]But this is all wholly irrelevant when you can simply look at the viewing numbers and respective ranking. 988 million minutes is 988 million minutes, no amount of nose-wiggling can change that.[/quote]

There were a lot of eyeballs on lady Ghostbusters too. It still ended up bombing, which is also what's going to happen to RoP if it can't reap well over 1 billion USD worth of revenue.

[Azaghal]

[quote="Spearthrower";p="2792518"]
[quote="Azaghal";p="2792517"]I can guarantee that season 2 is going to be even funnier than the current shitshow.[/quote]

Because the guarantees of someone willfully ignoring facts and chanting their false wish-thinking like a mantra are worth a wazz.[/quote]

I am, again, reminded of how I was at a bar browsing a former friend's Facebook on my phone and seeing gloating about the (very) temporary stay of construction of the DAPL. I think the way he mocked what I had to say about it actually going down was something along the lines of "mark my words!" and I of course heckled the shit out of him after seeing this until he made nearly his whole timeline private. It's a good thing users here can't do that.

[Spearthrower]

[quote="Azaghal";p="2792528"][quote="Spearthrower";p="2792519"]If viewer count didn't drop off after 2 episodes, it'd be highly unusual.[/quote]

It's been continuing to drop ever since, which calls into question with how much it's really "resonating" as you put it.[/quote]

Oh look!

ANOTHER evidence free assertion.

Weren't you supposed to he evidencing that the show is 'bombing'? Now all you can muster is that viewer ratings have dropped since the first episode - a description which would be true of practically every show.


[quote="Azaghal";p="2792528"][quote="Spearthrower";p="2792519"]But this is all wholly irrelevant when you can simply look at the viewing numbers and respective ranking. 988 million minutes is 988 million minutes, no amount of nose-wiggling can change that.[/quote]

There were a lot of eyeballs on lady Ghostbusters too. It still ended up bombing, which is also what's going to happen to RoP if it can't reap well over 1 billion USD worth of revenue.[/quote]


Ooh look over there - there's another distraction which serves further evasion!

[Greg the Grouper]

[quote="Azaghal";p="2792528"]There were a lot of eyeballs on lady Ghostbusters too. It still ended up bombing, which is also what's going to happen to RoP if it can't reap well over 1 billion USD worth of revenue.[/quote]

Okay, real talk: how does this make any sense? With Ghostbusters, you had to go buy a ticket, buy the movie, or rent it on some platform. There's a very clear line there between how much the movie makes and how many people see it.

Rings of Power is on Amazon's platform. People just need a subscription to see it - a subscription they might have for multiple reasons. So how do we determine what Rings of Power does and doesn't earn, when what any given person pays for to see it is something they could be paying for for any number of alternative reasons?

[Spearthrower]

[quote="Azaghal";p="2792530"][quote="Spearthrower";p="2792518"]
[quote="Azaghal";p="2792517"]I can guarantee that season 2 is going to be even funnier than the current shitshow.[/quote]

Because the guarantees of someone willfully ignoring facts and chanting their false wish-thinking like a mantra are worth a wazz.[/quote]

I am, again, reminded of how I was at a bar browsing a former friend's Facebook on my phone and seeing gloating about the (very) temporary stay of construction of the DAPL. I think the way he mocked what I had to say about it actually going down was something along the lines of "mark my words!" and I of course heckled the shit out of him after seeing this until he made nearly his whole timeline private. It's a good thing users here can't do that.[/quote]


Great, so you will be shown right one day, you will have the last laugh.

Right now though, you're wrong, and the laughter's pointed AT you.

[Azaghal]

[quote="Spearthrower";p="2792533"][quote="Azaghal";p="2792530"][quote="Spearthrower";p="2792518"]
[quote="Azaghal";p="2792517"]I can guarantee that season 2 is going to be even funnier than the current shitshow.[/quote]

Because the guarantees of someone willfully ignoring facts and chanting their false wish-thinking like a mantra are worth a wazz.[/quote]

I am, again, reminded of how I was at a bar browsing a former friend's Facebook on my phone and seeing gloating about the (very) temporary stay of construction of the DAPL. I think the way he mocked what I had to say about it actually going down was something along the lines of "mark my words!" and I of course heckled the shit out of him after seeing this until he made nearly his whole timeline private. It's a good thing users here can't do that.[/quote]


Great, so you will be shown right one day, you will have the last laugh.

Right now though, you're wrong, and the laughter's pointed AT you.[/quote]

That's one way of coping. I suggest you start thinking up creative comments to make about my penis when RoP ends up being a huge loss for Amazon now.

[Azaghal]

[quote="Spearthrower";p="2792531"][quote="Azaghal";p="2792528"][quote="Spearthrower";p="2792519"]If viewer count didn't drop off after 2 episodes, it'd be highly unusual.[/quote]

It's been continuing to drop ever since, which calls into question with how much it's really "resonating" as you put it.[/quote]

Oh look!

ANOTHER evidence free assertion.[/quote]

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[Spearthrower]

[quote="Azaghal";p="2792535"][quote="Spearthrower";p="2792531"][quote="Azaghal";p="2792528"][quote="Spearthrower";p="2792519"]If viewer count didn't drop off after 2 episodes, it'd be highly unusual.[/quote]

It's been continuing to drop ever since, which calls into question with how much it's really "resonating" as you put it.[/quote]

Oh look!

ANOTHER evidence free assertion.[/quote]

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[/quote]


And?

Still amounts to 988 million minutes.

You seem to think there's some cunning way to make this number not be true.

Or just distract from it.

Regardless, your repeated contentions that RoP is 'bombing' is shown to be laughably disconnected from reality, presumably because you get yours from social media echo chambers that vim you up to fight the lefties wherever they may be.

[Azaghal]

[quote="Spearthrower";p="2792586"]And?

Still amounts to 988 million minutes.

You seem to think there's some cunning way to make this number not be true.

Or just distract from it.

Regardless, your repeated contentions that RoP is 'bombing' is shown to be laughably disconnected from reality, presumably because you get yours from social media echo chambers that vim you up to fight the lefties wherever they may be.[/quote]

No, I regularly entertain ideas from people whose ideas sharply differ from my own, because I want to make sure I am not in an "echo chamber", as you put it. But I'm sure you could tell me a LOT about avoiding echo chambers, huh? If so, go into detail. Where are these non-echo chambers you frequent? Oh, right.

And you made a big song and dance about ">muh Nielsen >muh NIelsen >muh Nielsen", which was at least more on point than speculating about my penis, but the trouble here is that your own Nielsen numbers show that RoP is flagging, exponentially so. Season 1 is already looking awful and season 2 is only going to be worse. Will they even make it through the full slated five seasons?

[Spearthrower]

[quote="Azaghal";p="2792627"][quote="Spearthrower";p="2792586"]And?

Still amounts to 988 million minutes.

You seem to think there's some cunning way to make this number not be true.

Or just distract from it.

Regardless, your repeated contentions that RoP is 'bombing' is shown to be laughably disconnected from reality, presumably because you get yours from social media echo chambers that vim you up to fight the lefties wherever they may be.[/quote]

No, I regularly entertain ideas from people whose ideas sharply differ from my own, because I want to make sure I am not in an "echo chamber", as you put it. [/quote]


I don't believe you in the slightest.

You're engendering the exact opposite here to the point that you are repeatedly making up positions for other people just to contest in a sneering fashion.


[quote="Azaghal";p="2792627"]But I'm sure you could tell me a LOT about avoiding echo chambers, huh? If so, go into detail. Where are these non-echo chambers you frequent? Oh, right.[/quote]

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Oh right. Yeah. Oh right.



[quote="Azaghal";p="2792627"]And you made a big song and dance about ">muh Nielsen >muh NIelsen >muh Nielsen", which was at least more on point than speculating about my penis, but the trouble here is that your own Nielsen numbers show that RoP is flagging, exponentially so. Season 1 is already looking awful and season 2 is only going to be worse. Will they even make it through the full slated five seasons?[/quote]

No, stop lying at me.

I've cited the Nielson numbers here over and over, so you can't just lie about them.

The Nielson rankings show 988 million minutes of viewing - you have to address this fact, as fact it remains.

988 million minutes of viewing cannot be described honestly as 'bombing'. You made this claim many times, I have cited the actual numbers.

Do you acknowledge this?

If you then want to still contend how RoP has 988 million minutes of viewing ranking it 3rd among streamed content and STILL want that to be considered 'bombing', then you need to do something more than attempting to fudge the discussion by making it about perceptions or social media or whether there are fewer people watching it now than watched the first two episodes.

Factually, RoP is not bombing.

What's interesting for me is that I have no horse in this race at all. I won't be watching it because I don't watch TV and don't have a subscription. While I have loved Tolkien's work all my life, I don't care whether any given production is a commercial success or not - I'm a book lover. I still haven't watch The Hobbit and probably never will. None of this has any subjective value to me, but objectively, RoP is not bombing by any honest sense of the word.