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Re: Curiosity rover on Mars

#461  Postby DavidMcC » Jun 05, 2013 4:25 pm

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DavidMcC wrote:Neutrons are, of course, very unhealthy!


So are vitamins when they are traveling at 30,000 km/s. :shifty:

Indeed. People should remember to decelerate their vitamins before swallowing them!
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Re: Curiosity rover on Mars

#462  Postby CdesignProponentsist » Jun 05, 2013 5:09 pm

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DavidMcC wrote:Neutrons are, of course, very unhealthy!


So are vitamins when they are traveling at 30,000 km/s. :shifty:

Indeed. People should remember to decelerate their vitamins before swallowing them!


Thank you for the very entertaining mental images. :lol:
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Re: Curiosity rover on Mars

#463  Postby Horwood Beer-Master » Jun 05, 2013 10:59 pm

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DavidMcC wrote:Neutrons are, of course, very unhealthy!


So are vitamins when they are traveling at 30,000 km/s. :shifty:

Actually, aren't neutrons more dangerous the slower they travel (in terms of a higher chance of interacting with atomic nuclei)?
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Re: Curiosity rover on Mars

#464  Postby DavidMcC » Jun 06, 2013 10:58 am

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DavidMcC wrote:Neutrons are, of course, very unhealthy!


So are vitamins when they are traveling at 30,000 km/s. :shifty:

Actually, aren't neutrons more dangerous the slower they travel (in terms of a higher chance of interacting with atomic nuclei)?

Whilst neutron-induced nuclear decays have a higher cross-section at low energy, a fast neutron eventually becomes a slow neutron in any case, and fast neutrons cause damage by ionization instead of nuclear reaction:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutron#High-energy_neutrons
High-energy neutrons [edit]These neutrons have more energy than fission energy neutrons and are generated as secondary particles by particle accelerators or in the atmosphere from cosmic rays. They can have energies as high as tens of joules per neutron. These neutrons are extremely efficient at ionization and far more likely to cause cell death than X-rays or protons.[37][38]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutron#Neutron_temperature
Of course, it depends a bit on what you call "high energy". Tens of joules per neutron is maybe better called "extremely high energy"!
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Re: Curiosity rover on Mars

#465  Postby DavidMcC » Jun 07, 2013 12:09 pm

... I forgot about displacement damage. In solid materials, the main form of high energy neutron damage is by atomic displacement (ie, physically knocking an atom out of position in the crystal lattice), not transmutation or ionization. The same should hold for DNA damage.

EDIT: This is considered to be one of the biggest engineering problems if fusion reactors are ever to be a viable power source, because they produce a lot of neutrons. It eventually causes the formation of voids in the solid materials.
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Re: Curiosity rover on Mars

#466  Postby the_5th_ape » Jun 09, 2013 1:57 pm

Nasa Finds Evidence Of Drinkable Water On Mars
Scientists describe the research as "some of the most important" of the decade-long Opportunity rover mission.
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Re: Curiosity rover on Mars

#467  Postby Made of Stars » Jun 09, 2013 9:13 pm

the_5th_ape wrote:Nasa Finds Evidence Of Drinkable Water On Mars
Scientists describe the research as "some of the most important" of the decade-long Opportunity rover mission.

The report relates to the discovery that neutral pH water was present early in Mars' history:

The analysis reveals traces of a what may have been a drinkable type of water that dates to the first billion years of Martian history.
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Re: Curiosity rover on Mars

#468  Postby Made of Stars » Jun 19, 2013 11:29 am

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Re: Curiosity rover on Mars

#469  Postby DougC » Nov 27, 2013 10:57 pm

'Mars rover makes science 'pit stop''
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-24110442
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Re: Curiosity rover on Mars

#470  Postby DougC » Dec 10, 2013 2:33 am

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-25312143
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The team operating Nasa's Curiosity rover is implementing a new exploration strategy on the Red Planet.
Having established that the ancient environment at the robot's landing site was once habitable for certain types of microbes, the scientists now want to focus on specific questions relating to life.
In particular, the rover is ramping up its hunt for organic molecules.
Life as we know it trades on these carbon-rich structures.
Finding them would not be proof that organisms ever existed on Mars, but it would certainly inform discussion on the subject, Curiosity project scientist Prof John Grotzinger told BBC News.
"If you go back to rocks that are billions of years old on Earth, for soft-bodied, single-celled micro-organisms, it's very, very rare to find an actual fossil of the micro-organism.
"What you usually find, and it's also quite rare, are organic remnants of the molecules. So, the cell wall breaks down, it fragments and it leaves behind large organic molecules that betray the existence of life," he explained.
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Re: Curiosity rover on Mars

#471  Postby aliihsanasl » Dec 23, 2013 1:24 pm

Is that vehicle traveled only 6 km on the surface of Mars or its a mistake of Turkish newspaper ?

Edit according to wiki they expected minimum 19 km in 2 years but I couldn't find how much it achieved.
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Re: Curiosity rover on Mars

#472  Postby newolder » Dec 23, 2013 6:59 pm

How far from Mt Sharp Entry is it now, i wonder? Image
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Re: Curiosity rover on Mars

#473  Postby aliihsanasl » Dec 23, 2013 7:12 pm

newolder wrote:How far from Mt Sharp Entry is it now, i wonder? Image
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Newspaper's source is right I think, it look like 6 kms, according to the scale on the map.
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Re: Curiosity rover on Mars

#474  Postby newolder » Jan 23, 2014 7:17 pm

Spirit and Opportunity rovers update live: http://www.ustream.tv/nasajpl
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Re: Curiosity rover on Mars

#475  Postby DougC » Feb 05, 2014 2:06 am

B.B.C. - Nasa's Curiosity Mars rover looks to 'jump' sand dune

Now they are doing 'The Dukes of Hazzard' impressions.
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Re: Curiosity rover on Mars

#476  Postby MattHunX » Feb 05, 2014 7:44 am

DougC wrote:B.B.C. - Nasa's Curiosity Mars rover looks to 'jump' sand dune

Now they are doing 'The Dukes of Hazzard' impressions.


Read about this, yesterday.

I find it irritating, though, that such a small obstacle, if we can even call it that, can present such a huge problem, because the rover's wheels (which are apparently made of aluminium, didn't even know that, the terrain already poked holes in it for fuck's sake, jeesus! :nono: ) can get stuck and then it's game over. So ridiculous. :-|

I'm resisting the urge to go on a rant on how far space-exploration and space-faring should have gone by now, if they had gotten the same proper cold-war/the-reds-won't-beat-us-to-it era funding, since those times, and not the appalling amount they get now. :nono:

To see that a measly sand dune can pose a problem, be a legitimate threat to the safety and continuation of the mission, is just...
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Re: Curiosity rover on Mars

#477  Postby The_Metatron » Feb 05, 2014 7:57 am

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DougC wrote:B.B.C. - Nasa's Curiosity Mars rover looks to 'jump' sand dune

Now they are doing 'The Dukes of Hazzard' impressions.

Read about this, yesterday.

I find it irritating, though, that such a small obstacle, if we can even call it that, can present such a huge problem, because the rover's wheels (which are apparently made of aluminium, didn't even know that, the terrain already poked holes in it for fuck's sake, jeesus! :nono: ) can get stuck and then it's game over. So ridiculous. :-|

I'm resisting the urge to go on a rant on how far space-exploration and space-faring should have gone by now, if they had gotten the same proper cold-war/the-reds-won't-beat-us-to-it era funding, since those times, and not the appalling amount they get now. :nono:

To see that a measly sand dune can pose a problem, be a legitimate threat to the safety and continuation of the mission, is just...

It's just fine, Matt.

I think you may be looking at this through a terran perspective.

There is no AA to call on Mars, no ADAC. To risk mission failure over something as trivial as getting stuck would be mission management of the worst order.
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Re: Curiosity rover on Mars

#478  Postby MattHunX » Feb 05, 2014 9:17 am

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DougC wrote:B.B.C. - Nasa's Curiosity Mars rover looks to 'jump' sand dune

Now they are doing 'The Dukes of Hazzard' impressions.

Read about this, yesterday.

I find it irritating, though, that such a small obstacle, if we can even call it that, can present such a huge problem, because the rover's wheels (which are apparently made of aluminium, didn't even know that, the terrain already poked holes in it for fuck's sake, jeesus! :nono: ) can get stuck and then it's game over. So ridiculous. :-|

I'm resisting the urge to go on a rant on how far space-exploration and space-faring should have gone by now, if they had gotten the same proper cold-war/the-reds-won't-beat-us-to-it era funding, since those times, and not the appalling amount they get now. :nono:

To see that a measly sand dune can pose a problem, be a legitimate threat to the safety and continuation of the mission, is just...

It's just fine, Matt.

I think you may be looking at this through a terran perspective.

There is no AA to call on Mars, no ADAC. To risk mission failure over something as trivial as getting stuck would be mission management of the worst order.


Yes, of course. They can't just tow the thing out if it gets stuck, yeah. But, a sand dune shouldn't pose a risk to the mission, in the first damn place. It's just irritating. And irritatingly primitive. So, I'll add terrain-exploration to space-exploration and space-faring. It shouldn't be a problem. It shouldn't come this. They shouldn't have to debate whether crossing a sand dune could result in mission failure. It's laughable. And some over-zealous, starry-eyed politicians on tv talk about building Moon and Mars colonies in the coming years. The outsourcing of shuttle-building and the delivering of crew and supplies to the ISS, companies talking about and scrambling to create space-tourism, when they can barely take off the planet to reach the station, without innumerable dangers. Not going to happen. Not at this rate. Not without the same motivation and same funding they've had decades ago. Sure, competition will help, but it can never create the kind of competitive environment, arms-race, that they've gone to the Moon with. That's gone. And so is the funding. At this rate, I'll be retired by the time someone steps on Mars, and they should have done it already...
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Re: Curiosity rover on Mars

#479  Postby kennyc » Feb 08, 2014 2:43 am

Six-wheeling Dune-Buggy Maneuver worked!

http://www.upi.com/Science_News/2014/02 ... 391820661/
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Re: Curiosity rover on Mars

#480  Postby DougC » Feb 08, 2014 2:47 am

kennyc wrote:Six-wheeling Dune-Buggy Maneuver worked!

http://www.upi.com/Science_News/2014/02 ... 391820661/

A bet a lot of people are breathing normaly again.
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