How does a Chicken cross the Pacific?

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Re: How does a Chicken cross the Pacific?

#21  Postby The_Piper » Mar 23, 2014 8:53 pm

Horwood Beer-Master wrote:Regardless of whether-or-not chickens provide the evidence; I'd be frankly shocked if no Polynesians ever made it to South America.

These people had managed to cross vast stretches of the Pacific Ocean, reached most of the tiny specks of land to be found in it (including some of the most physically remote islands on Earth), and we're supposed to believe that in all that time they somehow never encountered the massive great landmass on the other side? Surely it's a hard target to miss?

The gap distance the most westerly lands the Polynesians are known to have reached and the American mainland couldn't have been so much vaster or more challenging than distances they'd already covered up to that point.

I agree, seeing where they made it that far, why not all the way to North or South America, a gigantic target?
It would be nice if there were slam-dunk evidence available.
According to Wiki, the people who settled Easter Island probably came from the Marquesas Islands, which is almost equidistant from Easter island as Chile is, 2200 or so miles. But coming from the Marquesas, they theoretically could have made stops on some tiny outcrops in eastern French Polyneisa that were already known by them, and then in the Pitcairn islands that were already known. From Ducie island it's 972 miles on to Easter Island. Heading east the 2200 miles from Easter Island to Chile, there doesn't even look like many outcrops to stop at on Google Earth.
They apparently didn't settle the Galapogos Islands, though someone found it -
According to a 1952 study by Thor Heyerdahl and Arne Skjølsvold, remains of potsherds and other artifacts from several sites on the islands suggest visitation by South American peoples prior to the arrival of the Spanish.[10] However, no remains of graves, ceremonial vessels and constructions have ever been found, suggesting no permanent settlement occurred at the time.[11]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gal%C3%A1pagos_Islands#History There may be evidence they were in Mocha Island just off of Chile -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mocha_Island#Polynesian_contact
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Re: How does a Chicken cross the Pacific?

#22  Postby DaveScriv » Mar 26, 2014 4:17 pm

One of my friends in the chicken-human interaction project sent me the full paper, and another paper from 2007 which says the exact opposite, and agrees with my view that chickens did reach South America by Polynesians long before Columbus arrived in the Americas in 1492. The 2007 paper mentions several reports by Spanish explorers in the early/mid 16th century of chickens in large numbers all over the place, suggesting they must have first arrived on the continent for at least a few centuries before then.

More research needs to be done on this topic it seems.
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#23  Postby kennyc » Mar 26, 2014 4:30 pm

Chicken-human interaction project? :ask: :shock: :?
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Re: How does a Chicken cross the Pacific?

#24  Postby Blackadder » Mar 26, 2014 4:30 pm

Perhaps we should consult Ken Ham. Clearly the chickens were dropped off by the Ark, presumably on its way to Australia to drop off all the marsupials.
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Re: How does a Chicken cross the Pacific?

#25  Postby kennyc » Mar 26, 2014 4:35 pm

Blackadder wrote:Perhaps we should consult Ken Ham. Clearly the chickens were dropped off by the Ark, presumably on its way to Australia to drop off all the marsupials.


:lol: :lol: :lol:

Hadn't thought of that, must be answer.
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Re: How does a Chicken cross the Pacific?

#26  Postby DaveScriv » Mar 26, 2014 5:02 pm

kennyc wrote:Chicken-human interaction project? :ask: :shock: :?



http://www.chickenco-op.net/home
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Re: How does a Chicken cross the Pacific?

#27  Postby kennyc » Mar 26, 2014 5:10 pm

DaveScriv wrote:
kennyc wrote:Chicken-human interaction project? :ask: :shock: :?



http://www.chickenco-op.net/home


Thanks!

This is all quite fascinating to me, having grown up on a chicken farm. :D

Ever hypnotized a chicken? :naughty2:
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Re: How does a Chicken cross the Pacific?

#28  Postby DaveScriv » Mar 26, 2014 5:18 pm

kennyc wrote:
Ever hypnotized a chicken? :naughty2:



I tried to a few times (the head on the ground and chalk line thing) but it never worked properly for me - maybe 30 seconds max before the hens stood up and walked away.

With your chicken interests, you might like my books.
Google 'David Scrivener poultry', and click on the Amazon site where you can read sample chapters.
'Popular Poultry Breeds' and 'Rare Poultry Breeds' are my two main titles, and basically cover the histories of breeds, mostly with an emphasis on poultry showing 1840-1940. In those days (pre-hybrids) commercial poultry farmers used pure breeds, so chicken farming and chicken showing were connected.
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#29  Postby kennyc » Mar 26, 2014 5:27 pm

Thanks Dave, will do. I'll check them out. :D

I've written a few essays/memoirs of growing up on a chicken farm. :D
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Re: How does a Chicken cross the Pacific?

#30  Postby The_Piper » Mar 26, 2014 6:03 pm

kennyc wrote:Thanks Dave, will do. I'll check them out. :D

I've written a few essays/memoirs of growing up on a chicken farm. :D

Did you get a lot of business at Halloween? :shifty:
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Re: How does a Chicken cross the Pacific?

#31  Postby kennyc » Mar 26, 2014 6:12 pm

....uh...no...not that I remember... :D
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#32  Postby The_Piper » Mar 26, 2014 6:18 pm

Because teenagers like to throw eggs at each other, and little kids, and grandma's on Halloween.
I hated that, I'm highly allergic to eggs and I'd get egged almost every year. :lol: :lol:
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#33  Postby kennyc » Mar 26, 2014 6:25 pm

The_Piper wrote:Because teenagers like to throw eggs at each other, and little kids, and grandma's on Halloween.
I hated that, I'm highly allergic to eggs and I'd get egged almost every year. :lol: :lol:


Ah, Oh....I get you now.... we always sold the eggs to the local supermarkets so no 'direct sales' :D
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#34  Postby The_Piper » Mar 26, 2014 6:41 pm

kennyc wrote:
The_Piper wrote:Because teenagers like to throw eggs at each other, and little kids, and grandma's on Halloween.
I hated that, I'm highly allergic to eggs and I'd get egged almost every year. :lol: :lol:


Ah, Oh....I get you now.... we always sold the eggs to the local supermarkets so no 'direct sales' :D

Cool. That and Easter eggs. I could color them, but often would get itchy eyes and stuff anyways.
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Re: How does a Chicken cross the Pacific?

#35  Postby laklak » Mar 26, 2014 7:45 pm

I'm smoking two chickens tomorrow. In a smoker, I mean. I'm not going to roll up a Bantam Bomber and order pizza. Also smoking two pork butts and baking about a ton of beans, cuz it's BobbyQ Time.
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