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Re: RatSkep sending Kindle messages?

#41  Postby ED209 » Aug 23, 2013 3:47 pm

What you want is a kindle paperwhite/kobo glo....kobo has better backlighting, but the difference isn't huge. The premium over the non-backlight versions is large but TBH they are so much better as to make non-backlit ones obsolete.

Side-by-side they are practically the same device except one is locked to one shop (that the other can still use), can only read one proprietary format (that the other can still use), and has advertising (that the other does not) all for absolutely no benefit, so you pays you money you takes your choice really.
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Re: RatSkep sending Kindle messages?

#42  Postby Aern Rakesh » Aug 23, 2013 3:49 pm

iamthereforeithink wrote:Amazon is a great company for customers, but an awful company for employees. Amazon has a disproportionately high rate of burnout and employee turnover. They go the extra mile for the customer, at the expense of the employee.


I'm not saying you guys are all wrong, I'm just asking how they accomplish this. They still have to have the cooperation of staff. I just think that if a company were that terrible to their staff there would be a high number of wrong or damaged orders. You know, like a waiter spitting in a rude customer's soup, only this time it would be the employers they'd be trying to sabotage.

High turnover can mean other things as well...like the work being unskilled and terribly boring. Now that I can believe!
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Re: RatSkep sending Kindle messages?

#43  Postby Scot Dutchy » Aug 23, 2013 3:50 pm

Plenty of companies have very many satisfied customers.

Personally I dont buy much on internet (except the weekly groceries) and I had an Amazon account many moons ago. I found them very aggresive. The way the site operated. I prefer the Dutch Bol. Much friendlier. Their staff are also treated normally not like a load of slaves.

The way they treat staff is very important to me. It is what makes Google acceptable to me. I would have love to have been a Google programmer.
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Re: RatSkep sending Kindle messages?

#44  Postby iamthereforeithink » Aug 23, 2013 4:07 pm

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iamthereforeithink wrote:Amazon is a great company for customers, but an awful company for employees. Amazon has a disproportionately high rate of burnout and employee turnover. They go the extra mile for the customer, at the expense of the employee.


I'm not saying you guys are all wrong, I'm just asking how they accomplish this. They still have to have the cooperation of staff. I just think that if a company were that terrible to their staff there would be a high number of wrong or damaged orders. You know, like a waiter spitting in a rude customer's soup, only this time it would be the employers they'd be trying to sabotage.

High turnover can mean other things as well...like the work being unskilled and terribly boring. Now that I can believe!


Well my evidence is mainly anecdotal (I know lots of current and former Amazon employees). From what I hear, things have improved over the last couple of years, but Amazon has always been a "churn and burn" company. Employees are worked EXTREMELY hard, for not enough reward. Customer is king, and customer issues must be resolved in triple quick time, even if it means that you work 70 hours a week and work on the weekends. Jeff Bezos never really got out of the "startup" mindset, and insists on continuing to manage the company like a startup, even though it has grown into a huge conglomerate. He expects all employees to have the attitude of the founders of a startup with deep and passionate interest in the success of the company, at the expense of their personal life. Amazon offers its employees stock options that mature after 3 years. Most people leave after 3 years, as soon as their stock options mature. Bear in mind that here I'm talking about relatively senior "management" people. The situation for the hourly associates who work in their DCs is significantly worse.
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Re: RatSkep sending Kindle messages?

#45  Postby Steve » Aug 23, 2013 4:15 pm

I remember this from a couple years ago: Amazon Employees Carried Out of 115-Degree Warehouse by Paramedics
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#46  Postby Oeditor » Aug 23, 2013 5:06 pm

Scot Dutchy wrote:My wife found a very good one for her Kobo with its own battery.
Ah, I didn't realise Kobo did e-ink readers. I thought they used ordinary screens to keep the cost down. Mind you, I'm thinking a couple of years back at least.
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Re: RatSkep sending Kindle messages?

#47  Postby Scot Dutchy » Aug 23, 2013 6:03 pm

Oeditor wrote:
Scot Dutchy wrote:My wife found a very good one for her Kobo with its own battery.
Ah, I didn't realise Kobo did e-ink readers. I thought they used ordinary screens to keep the cost down. Mind you, I'm thinking a couple of years back at least.


Hers is i-ink. Very pleasant reading. Battery is meant to last a month before needing to be recharged. I just wonder how true is that though. :eh:

She downloads via the ereader and her computer. It works fine.
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Re: RatSkep sending Kindle messages?

#48  Postby Regina » Aug 23, 2013 6:17 pm

ED209 wrote:
Nora_Leonard wrote:What adverts? I don't have any adverts on my Kindle? Unless if you mean one of the versions that allows you to browse the internet?


Nope, the basic kindles are 'supported by ads' that you can pay IIRC $15 to remove, but even then apparently (read the very first review) you still get treated to recommendations for books that fill half your homepage. Books that you can only buy from one place, naturally.

Whereas you could buy a kobo the same price, without any of the crap listed earlier, and still buy DRM-crippled ebooks in that peculiar proprietary format from amazon just as if you had a kindle. But while retaining the option to buy them in EPUB or any other format, from anywhere you like.

Like I said, with Kobo you get recommendations for Japanese porn if you read a Star Trek novel. The books you order never appear. I have no adverts whatsoever using the Kindle app on a Kobo Arc.
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The latest E-Reader news has the Kobo e-reader having a ton of problems.

Many people who read ePub books on the Kobo are getting Font Size issues, where the font is so small it makes reading practically impossible. Sure the pre-loaded books look fine, but if you download books from any other site, forget easily loading them on your Kobo.

Many users are complaining about all the software and hoops they have to jump through to load different books on their e-reader, especially if you do not buy them from Kobo. Not only do you have to download Kobo’s bug-ridden software platform, but you also need to install Adobe Acrobat and Adobe Digital Editions.

Kobo has verified that these problems exist and estimate around two months until they can release a firmware update in order to fix this. Although Kobo blames Adobe for the problems with books purchased with DRM from other sites.

There are also other problems such as organizing your library with books you download from other sources, contributing to an ill-managed organization of your ebooks.

Although solutions exist to increase the font size in the ePub format the Kobo e-reader uses to display the books, they are not user friendly.

from here: http://goodereader.com/blog/electronic- ... f-problems
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Re: RatSkep sending Kindle messages?

#49  Postby Oeditor » Aug 23, 2013 7:24 pm

Regina wrote:Although solutions exist to increase the font size in the ePub format the Kobo e-reader uses to display the books, they are not user friendly.
That's the Kindle's strong point. On mine (keyboard version) I can expand it until you get about 12 characters across the (vertical) screen.
ETA That is, with the screen in portrait mode, not 12 characters along the long edge.
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Re: RatSkep sending Kindle messages?

#50  Postby laklak » Aug 23, 2013 7:38 pm

I'm very happy with my kindle paperwhite. This is my third kindle, I handed the other two down to the kids and they're still working fine. I order a lot of stuff through Amazon, and have never had a problem with them. They're looking at opening a distribution center in Florida and offering same-day delivery of fucking GROCERIES. I'll never leave the house. Anything that makes my life easier gets a thumbs up from me, but then again I'm a selfish cunt and don't give a damn how they treat their employees.
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Re: RatSkep sending Kindle messages?

#51  Postby ED209 » Aug 23, 2013 7:45 pm

Regina wrote:
Like I said, with Kobo you get recommendations for Japanese porn if you read a Star Trek novel.


Ah, that will be why I keep recommendations for star trek books then :shifty:




That link is over three years old so who knows what device it is talking about. Certainly there is no need today to install any kobo software, or any adobe software or DRM platform, or register an account with kobo or anyone else, or receive any adverts or recommendations :dunno:
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Re: RatSkep sending Kindle messages?

#52  Postby laklak » Aug 23, 2013 7:49 pm

The adverts on the kindle only appear when it's in standby mode, never when you're reading. You can get the no-advert version for a few extra bucks but why bother? The advertising is usually for other kindle books and they tailor it for your profile, I've found a couple of good reads because of the ads.
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Re: RatSkep sending Kindle messages?

#53  Postby Regina » Aug 23, 2013 7:51 pm

ED209 wrote:
Regina wrote:
Like I said, with Kobo you get recommendations for Japanese porn if you read a Star Trek novel.


Ah, that will be why I keep recommendations for star trek books then :shifty:




That link is over three years old so who knows what device it is talking about. Certainly there is no need today to install any kobo software, or any adobe software or DRM platform, or register an account with kobo or anyone else, or receive any adverts or recommendations :dunno:

I linked to that report because that's what happened to me in April/May this year. I gave up after extended discussions with their customer support who were clueless. Like I said, I have the latest Kobo Arc, which works fine with the Kindle app.
Kobo has software problems.
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Re: RatSkep sending Kindle messages?

#54  Postby kennyc » Aug 23, 2013 7:55 pm

Nora_Leonard wrote:
Scot Dutchy wrote:Amazon alright as you do what they want. I never deal with them. Far better companies around without all the add hastle.


If you never deal with Amazon, how can you possibly say there is any hassle? On the contrary I find their returns procedure the most reliable of any I've heard of. So much so that I might look for a product in a store (so I can pick it up, or ask questions about it) and then buy it from Amazon, precisely because their returns procedure is hassle-free



This. I love Amazon and have never had any issues what-so-ever.
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Re: RatSkep sending Kindle messages?

#55  Postby ED209 » Aug 23, 2013 7:55 pm

Well, since that problem was on entirely different hardware and was fixed three years ago you might have had a different one.

kobo glo vs kindle paperwhite:

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There is next to nothing to choose between them based on hardware - but one is hamstrung by DRM, a proprietary format and one shop for no benefit whatsoever, while the other is not :scratch:
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#56  Postby kennyc » Aug 23, 2013 8:00 pm

Fallible wrote:I have found certain companies are excellet. And I do know why.



Yes, it's called great products, good to great prices, respect for customers and excellent customer service.
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#57  Postby kennyc » Aug 23, 2013 8:00 pm

Oops. Duplicate post.
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Re: RatSkep sending Kindle messages?

#58  Postby kennyc » Aug 23, 2013 8:04 pm

Scot Dutchy wrote:
ED209 wrote:
Nora_Leonard wrote:What adverts? I don't have any adverts on my Kindle? Unless if you mean one of the versions that allows you to browse the internet?


Nope, the basic kindles are 'supported by ads' that you can pay IIRC $15 to remove, but even then apparently (read the very first review) you still get treated to recommendations for books that fill half your homepage. Books that you can only buy from one place, naturally.

Whereas you could buy a kobo the same price, without any of the crap listed earlier, and still buy DRM-crippled ebooks in that peculiar proprietary format from amazon just as if you had a kindle. But while retaining the option to buy them in EPUB or any other format, from anywhere you like.


That is the great thing; you dont have to go to the Kobo store. I downloaded the instruction book from Samsung and read with Kobo reader. Being stuck with one format is being a hostage to one supplier.


Nah, its called being naive and ignorant of your options. I buy books from all sorts of venders DRM or not, strip the DRM and convert them to whatever format I want for whatever reader (Kindle, Sony, Android Tablet, phone) I desire.
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Re: RatSkep sending Kindle messages?

#59  Postby NineBerry » Aug 23, 2013 8:06 pm

Oeditor wrote:I've downloaded both files to my Kindle. The one from April is a request to register on the Other Forum - I can only think it's some sort of glitch because I've been there well over a year. It's disconcerting that a service intended to send requested items to my Kindle is able to pick up forums where I'm registered with the same email address. Especially as it will promise to send a new password to that address but doesn't, leaving me in a Limbo where I can't even cancel the service.
It's sendtoreader.com - you might like to avoid it.
Amazon, on the other hand, is excellent. Or would be if it treated its staff well and paid its taxes.


Sendtoreader installs an extension into your browser. Then when you press a keyboard shortcut or select some item/menu item the currently displayed webpage in your browser is sent to your Kindle. You must unintentionally have selected the menu item / activated the keyboard shortcut when reading the forum.

You might want to uninstall the extension from your browser.
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Re: RatSkep sending Kindle messages?

#60  Postby Regina » Aug 23, 2013 8:27 pm

kennyc wrote:
Scot Dutchy wrote:
ED209 wrote:
Nora_Leonard wrote:What adverts? I don't have any adverts on my Kindle? Unless if you mean one of the versions that allows you to browse the internet?


Nope, the basic kindles are 'supported by ads' that you can pay IIRC $15 to remove, but even then apparently (read the very first review) you still get treated to recommendations for books that fill half your homepage. Books that you can only buy from one place, naturally.

Whereas you could buy a kobo the same price, without any of the crap listed earlier, and still buy DRM-crippled ebooks in that peculiar proprietary format from amazon just as if you had a kindle. But while retaining the option to buy them in EPUB or any other format, from anywhere you like.


That is the great thing; you dont have to go to the Kobo store. I downloaded the instruction book from Samsung and read with Kobo reader. Being stuck with one format is being a hostage to one supplier.


Nah, its called being naive and ignorant of your options. I buy books from all sorts of venders DRM or not, strip the DRM and convert them to whatever format I want for whatever reader (Kindle, Sony, Android Tablet, phone) I desire.

Good for you. I choose a book, and I'm used to having it on my device 10 seconds later. Kindle provides that service, and at a cheaper price than Kobo and other retailers I checked out. I have neither the time nor the inclination to fiddle around with my devices in order to just read a book.
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