dejuror wrote:The son of God is a God in Jewish, Roman/Greek mythology.

Jesus was a Ghost/God/man in the NT.

Jesus was God of God, born of a Ghost and a Transfiguring water walker.

A transfiguring water walker is NOT human.

Jesus does not say he was born or had a human father in gMark.

In classical mythology when a god mates with a mortal the child of the union is human, for example , the mother of Aeneas, the mother of Achilles, the father of Helen, the father of Heracles...But nothing of this matter.


Jesus was originally created as prophet. Moses and Elijah and others also perform great miracles. Thomas Brodie seems to me to be saying that he is a literary fiction modelled on some stories of the OT. Paul is a group of religious writers who took the story further. The CCC has taken the adaptation that is the story in Mark's further still as the result of the continuing revelation to the Supreme Pontiff.
Mark says nothing about his'[Jesus] birth and this can only mean that in Mark's, Jesus was a man like any other, only a better one, a prophet or a Tzaddik , perhaps. There is no resurrection , and Jesus has brothers and sisters and petty minded neighbours.

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iskander wrote:Mark says nothing about his'[Jesus] birth and this can only mean that in Mark's, Jesus was a man like any other, only a better one, a prophet or a Tzaddik , perhaps. There is no resurrection , and Jesus has brothers and sisters and petty minded neighbours.

You have only exposed your lack of knowledge of Jewish, Greek/Roman mythology. Myth Jesus can exist WITHOUT birth like the God of the Jews.

You had no idea or cannot remember that Marcion's Son of God had NO BIRTH and NO FLESH but came down from heaven.

Christians who used the Gospel also claim Jesus was NOT born.

Contra Faustum 2

1. Faustus said: Do I believe the gospel? Certainly.

Do I therefore believe that Christ was born? Certainly not.

It does not follow that because I believe the gospel, as I do, I must therefore believe that Christ was born.

This I do not believe; because Christ does not say that He was born of men...

gMark's Jesus is a myth God WITHOUT birth and Non-human.

gMark's Jesus was a Resurrecting, Transfiguring and water walking Son of a God.


Mark 16--- Ye seek Jesus of Nazareth, which was crucified: he is risen; he is not here: behold the place where they laid him.

Did someone say bias? Every book, holy or otherwise ever written has the author's bias.

Christianity , like any other religion, is a literary fiction about gods, karmas..., that control the assumed existence of life after death. The history of any religion is the history of the first people who invented that one divine character and the content of these stories is the theology of that religion .

For Christianity, the first authors were probably of Palestinian background , and the content of these first stories appear to have been modelled on existing popular religious motifs .

The first stories were modified by later generations interested in the creation and maintenance of a particular structure for society, as it is the case with any long surviving political constitution approved for society.

There are several models , and anybody is free to chose one or none.

Christianity flourished because it was easy and efficient. No more animals to gather up and ritually sacrifice. All you needed was food. Only one deity to venerate, not dozens. And in the end you came back to life and everyone lived happily ever after. This simple religion made life a lot simpler and even predictable. Christianity has become more complicated since those early years depending on your particular flavor, but at it's center it is as simple and understandable as ever.

All religion is the same. It's only been invented once and from that point it has varied.

Christianity flourished because it was the official state religion of the regime that created it, the Constantinian regime that had a monopoly on the means of coercive power of army, taxes and war.

Ducktown wrote:Christianity flourished because it was easy and efficient. No more animals to gather up and ritually sacrifice. All you needed was food. Only one deity to venerate, not dozens. And in the end you came back to life and everyone lived happily ever after. This simple religion made life a lot simpler and even predictable. Christianity has become more complicated since those early years depending on your particular flavor, but at it's center it is as simple and understandable as ever.

All religion is the same. It's only been invented once and from that point it has varied.

How many religions would flourish had they not had the ticket to heaven clause in in them?

Got to promise them something after that bowing and praying. Must have a purpose.

All that grovelling has to pay off someday! Or so they think.

Ducktown wrote:Christianity flourished because it was easy and efficient. No more animals to gather up and ritually sacrifice. All you needed was food. Only one deity to venerate, not dozens. And in the end you came back to life and everyone lived happily ever after. This simple religion made life a lot simpler and even predictable. Christianity has become more complicated since those early years depending on your particular flavor, but at it's center it is as simple and understandable as ever.

All religion is the same. It's only been invented once and from that point it has varied.

Mahayana Buddhism has a very attractive product for those looking for a good life after death. It offers a nice villa in the Pure Land to anyone who invokes the Buddha Amida at the hour of death .All what is needed is faith.

Pure Land Buddhism, Chinese Qingtu, Japanese Jōdo , devotional cult of the Buddha Amitabha—“Buddha of Infinite Light,” known in China as Emituofo and in Japan as Amida. It is one of the most popular forms of Mahayana Buddhism in eastern Asia today. Pure Land schools believe that rebirth in Amitabha’s Western Paradise, Sukhavati, known as the Pure Land, or Pure Realm, is ensured for all those who invoke Amitabha’s name with sincere devotion (nembutsu, referring to the Japanese formula of invocation, namu Amida Butsu).

.... In the later, smaller Pure Land sutra, however, the blessed land is not a reward for good works but is accessible to anyone who invokes Amitabha at the hour of death.

http://www.britannica.com/topic/Pure-Land-Buddhism

iskander wrote:Mahayana Buddhism has a very attractive product for those looking for a good life after death. It offers a nice villa in the Pure Land to anyone who invokes the Buddha Amida at the hour of death .All what is needed is faith.

The Jesus cult has a better product. Jesus in gJohn claims he has MANSIONS for his dead believers. But it gets better.

While his believers are ALIVE he would send a Ghost to TEACH them all those things after he was dead.


John 14

2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

John 14:26

But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

The Jesus cult have a wonderful package for believers----A mansion prepared by Jesus and a Ghost from Heaven who can teach them ALL things.

dejuror wrote:

iskander wrote:Mahayana Buddhism has a very attractive product for those looking for a good life after death. It offers a nice villa in the Pure Land to anyone who invokes the Buddha Amida at the hour of death .All what is needed is faith.

The Jesus cult has a better product. Jesus in gJohn claims he has MANSIONS for his dead believers. But it gets better.

While his believers are ALIVE he would send a Ghost to TEACH them all those things after he was dead.


John 14

2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

John 14:26

But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

The Jesus cult have a wonderful package for believers----A mansion prepared by Jesus and a Ghost from Heaven who can teach them ALL things.

john 14:2, 26
John 14:2 says that there is room for all sort of people , even the Amalekites have a mansion prepared for them by Jesus. The transfiguration made Jesus the only one to speak for god and he speaks with authority because Jesus and the father are one. The is no need to confess sins to a man and no need to sacrifice animals and so on.

John 14:26 says, 26But the Advocate,* the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you everything, and remind you of all that I have said to you. --The spirit of god will keep his message alive.


Jesus 1 Amida 1

And tickets to heaven! All who believe in Jesus are guaranteed a passage to heaven. Even a psychopath serial killer is welcomed as long as he asks for forgiveness.

angelo wrote:And tickets to heaven! All who believe in Jesus are guaranteed a passage to heaven. Even a psychopath serial killer is welcomed as long as he asks for forgiveness.

An all truly forgiving god is the only possible good god. By 'truly' forgiving I mean one god that takes everybody to a place of eternal happiness after death , even if they have never asked to be forgiven. Unfortunately an all forgiving god is not good for business. Religions sell the mercy of god and that's how they make money and power.

In the Hindu religion this objection is answered by Sri Aurobindo as follows:

With the Lord in thy heart take refuge with all thy being; by His grace thou shalt attain to the supreme peace and the eternal status... Abandoning all laws of conduct seek refuge in Me alone. I will release thee from all sin; do not grieve.

Essays on the Gita
Sri Aurobindo
Chapter IV,
http://www.sriaurobindoashram.org/ashra ... itings.php



We have abolished the death penalty and we consider the criminal as person to be rehabilitated and released as soon as it is safe , and so on.

iskander wrote:

An all truly forgiving god is the only possible good god. By 'truly' forgiving I mean one god that takes everybody to a place of eternal happiness after death , even if they have never asked to be forgiven. Unfortunately an all forgiving god is not good for business. Religions sell the mercy of god and that's how they make money and power.

God is forgiving??? When did God forgive??


You remember God DROWNED all the inhabitants of the World except Noah, his family and some animals in the Jewish fables called Genesis??

You remember God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah??

God likes to kill people NOT forgive them.

God SENT his own Son to be killed.

People become Christians because they are AFRAID GOD will burn them up in ETERNAL FIRE.

duplicated

dejuror wrote:

iskander wrote:

An all truly forgiving god is the only possible good god. By 'truly' forgiving I mean one god that takes everybody to a place of eternal happiness after death , even if they have never asked to be forgiven. Unfortunately an all forgiving god is not good for business. Religions sell the mercy of god and that's how they make money and power.

God is forgiving??? When did God forgive??


You remember God DROWNED all the inhabitants of the World except Noah, his family and some animals in the Jewish fables called Genesis??

You remember God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah??

God likes to kill people NOT forgive them.

God SENT his own Son to be killed.

People become Christians because they are AFRAID GOD will burn them up in ETERNAL FIRE.

I was replying to Angelo , " he posted this: "And tickets to heaven! All who believe in Jesus are guaranteed a passage to heaven. Even a psychopath serial killer is welcomed as long as he asks for forgiveness." .---My answer was that an all forgiving god is the only god I can imagine, if we assume the existence of any god in our conversation.

Is a god that forgives the horrid, revolting, hideous... criminal an undesirable god?

iskander wrote:

I was replying to Angelo , " he posted this: "And tickets to heaven! All who believe in Jesus are guaranteed a passage to heaven. Even a psychopath serial killer is welcomed as long as he asks for forgiveness." .---My answer was that an all forgiving god is the only god I can imagine, if we assume the existence of any god in our conversation.

Is a god that forgives the horrid, revolting, hideous... criminal an undesirable god?

You are talking about a New God story that was fabricated in the 2nd century or later!!!

The story is that the Jews KILLED that New God.

That New God was really a Ghost/God/man--a blasphemer--his name was Jesus in the myth fables called the New Testament.

If Jesus did exist he was an IDIOT, a crazyman or a Liar.

He could not guarantee anything except that he would be DEAD if he did exist.

The Jesus story claiming that he was born of a Ghost and God Creator who transfigured and walked on water was total nonsense.

iskander wrote:
I was replying to Angelo , " he posted this: "And tickets to heaven! All who believe in Jesus are guaranteed a passage to heaven. Even a psychopath serial killer is welcomed as long as he asks for forgiveness." .---My answer was that an all forgiving god is the only god I can imagine, if we assume the existence of any god in our conversation.

Is a god that forgives the horrid, revolting, hideous... criminal an undesirable god?

I'm curious; why can you only imagine an all forgiving god? I can imagine all kinds of gods, with all kinds of personality traits, in fact I find that trivially simple to imagine. Have you fallen into the wishful thinking trap, where the concept of God is driven not by anything like reason or evidence but by personal desire? Which is why so many believer believe in a god that is 'suspiciously' like themselves, only (they imagine) better.