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#1  Postby Calum » Aug 24, 2010 8:21 am

More potential embarrassment for the one true faith:

'Periscope' by Niel O'Dowd

The Catholic Church in Northern Ireland is set to admit that a priest was the leader of an IRA unit that exploded a bomb in 1972 that killed nine people, five Catholics and four Protestants including an eight -year-old girl. Thirty people were injured.

Police ombudsman (overseer) Al Hutchinson is expected to verify that the Royal Ulster Constabulary the British government and the Catholic Church covered up for the priest, Father James Chesney (left) who was never charged and moved to a new parish.

Hutchinson will reveal that the RUC at the time had top-grade intelligence that Chesney was a senior figure in the IRA unit that planted three car bombs in the County Derry village of Claudy in 1972.

The then Catholic primate of all Ireland , Cardinal William Conway, and the then Northern secretary William Whitelaw, were made aware by police of Father Chesney’s alleged involvement.

Chesney was subsequently moved to a parish in Co. Donegal but was never arrested or interviewed about the bombing or any other IRA activity. He passed away in 1980.


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#2  Postby mrjonno » Aug 24, 2010 8:36 am

Best to leave this in the past, Northern Ireland has moved on this really is a case of opening up old wounds
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#3  Postby pennypitstop » Aug 24, 2010 8:47 am

mrjonno wrote:Best to leave this in the past, Northern Ireland has moved on this really is a case of opening up old wounds

Absolutely not. Expose the utter bastards on both sides of the conflict to see how pathetic and vicious people can be especially those apparently appointed by their god to dish out killings. Fuck 'em all. You can't hide the past. It needs exposing for with it was to help prevent it happening in the future.
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#4  Postby byofrcs » Aug 24, 2010 8:48 am

Yeah can we just focus on the priests that abused children a long time ago rather than blowing them up a long time ago.
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#5  Postby BrandySpears » Aug 24, 2010 8:52 am

It only took 38 years for the Bloody Sunday report.
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#6  Postby Calum » Aug 24, 2010 8:54 am

mrjonno wrote:Best to leave this in the past, Northern Ireland has moved on this really is a case of opening up old wounds


It's probably going to be a story. The families, who have been in the dark about who was responsible, are being briefed today by the Police Ombudsman. If true, the story involves a conspiracy between the British Government and the Catholic Church not to prosecute a bomber and killer because he was a priest.
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#7  Postby mrjonno » Aug 24, 2010 9:36 am

Calum wrote:
mrjonno wrote:Best to leave this in the past, Northern Ireland has moved on this really is a case of opening up old wounds


It's probably going to be a story. The families, who have been in the dark about who was responsible, are being briefed today by the Police Ombudsman. If true, the story involves a conspiracy between the British Government and the Catholic Church not to prosecute a bomber and killer because he was a priest.



These sort of things are really want official secrets act is for, this sort of information should be revealed in say 50 years or so not now. The objective at the moment should be peace, if we didnt consider this more important than justice we wouldnt be letting murders out of jail (something which was neccessary)
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#8  Postby Calum » Aug 24, 2010 10:06 am

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Calum wrote:
mrjonno wrote:Best to leave this in the past, Northern Ireland has moved on this really is a case of opening up old wounds


It's probably going to be a story. The families, who have been in the dark about who was responsible, are being briefed today by the Police Ombudsman. If true, the story involves a conspiracy between the British Government and the Catholic Church not to prosecute a bomber and killer because he was a priest.



These sort of things are really want official secrets act is for, this sort of information should be revealed in say 50 years or so not now. The objective at the moment should be peace, if we didnt consider this more important than justice we wouldnt be letting murders out of jail (something which was neccessary)


I don't get your point. Are you arguing that releasing this information now is going to inflame the situation in Northern Ireland?
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#9  Postby mrjonno » Aug 24, 2010 10:33 am

I don't get your point. Are you arguing that releasing this information now is going to inflame the situation in Northern Ireland?


Yes, victims of bomber sueing the government and catholic church which in other circumstances would be a good thing but not in NI
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More Catholic priest scandal. Not sex related.

#10  Postby Animavore » Aug 24, 2010 8:30 pm



Claudy bomb: relatives' justice call over 'IRA priest'

Fr James Chesney The report said police believed Fr James Chesney was an IRA leader and was involved in the bombing

Justice must be served for nine people killed in NI bombings who were "failed" by a cover-up of a priest's suspected role, victims' relatives have said.

The 1972 bombings in Claudy were among the worst atrocities of the Troubles.

The Police Ombudsman found talks between the Catholic Church, the police and the government led to a priest suspected of involvement in the attack being moved to the Irish Republic.

No action was ever taken against Father James Chesney, who died in 1980.

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#11  Postby HughMcB » Aug 24, 2010 8:33 pm

To be honest I'm not really surprised a priest was involved in the IRA. They had [have?] a wide a cross sections of members in many professions, I don't see why priests would be any different. Just goes to show that they hold no moralistic superiority over the rest of us.
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#12  Postby rJD » Aug 24, 2010 8:36 pm

Fucking hell. That just... I don't have words.
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#13  Postby HughMcB » Aug 24, 2010 8:42 pm

The Gardai in Ireland have been in bed with the Catholic church for fucking decades, just like the IRA too. It was only in the early 90s they started to clean up their act, mainly due to stories slowly being leaked out.
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#14  Postby nunnington » Aug 25, 2010 12:32 am

I'm not sure this is a scandal about the Catholic Church, since it was the RUC and then the fucking British govt. which panicked over this priest, as they thought that a prosecution of him, under the conditions of the time, (shortly after Bloody Sunday), could well tip N. Ireland into full-on civil war. So the Brits go to the Church, and pretty much beg them to just get rid of this priest.

Deals like this are not new in Ireland - look at Martin McGuinness, now Deputy First Minister, and then? Who knows.

I'm not surprised either that a Catholic priest was in PIRA; a lot of Catholics were feeling desperate at the time, expecting a full-on pogrom, and quite a number of Catholic young men joined up.
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#15  Postby nunnington » Aug 25, 2010 9:06 am

pennypitstop wrote:
mrjonno wrote:Best to leave this in the past, Northern Ireland has moved on this really is a case of opening up old wounds

Absolutely not. Expose the utter bastards on both sides of the conflict to see how pathetic and vicious people can be especially those apparently appointed by their god to dish out killings. Fuck 'em all. You can't hide the past. It needs exposing for with it was to help prevent it happening in the future.


Well, saying fuck 'em all is quite a powerful statement, but in 1972, there was the real fear of civil war. Bloody Sunday had convinced many Catholics that they faced the danger of pogrom, both from loyalists,and from the British state itself. There was also the fear that they would be forced to cross the border as refugees.

Both the RUC and the British Govt. were afraid that an open trial of a Catholic priest as an IRA quartermaster would tip everything over the brink. So it was to prevent mass killings that this sordid deal was done, and as everyone knows, many more sordid deals would be necessary to bring about peace. You can now enjoy the sight of known gunmen and bombers walking the streets of Derry and Belfast, and this is the price that has been paid. There is no alternative, is there?
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#17  Postby Oeditor » Aug 25, 2010 5:18 pm

HughMcB wrote:The Gardai in Ireland have been in bed with the Catholic church for fucking decades
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#18  Postby james1v » Aug 25, 2010 5:32 pm

Its no surprise. Not when you consider the catholic churches actions during the second world war (50% of the death camps in Croatia, run by Jesuit priests). Par for the course really. :coffee:
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#19  Postby nunnington » Aug 26, 2010 7:56 am

james1v wrote:Its no surprise. Not when you consider the catholic churches actions during the second world war (50% of the death camps in Croatia, run by Jesuit priests). Par for the course really. :coffee:


What the hell have Croatian death camps got to do with the struggle in Ireland for freedom from English rule, which has been going on for 700 years? I didn't agree with PIRA's use of indiscriminate violence, but I could see why young Irish men and women were still enraged by English rule in part of Ireland, especially after Bloody Sunday. Or are you saying that a patriotic wish for independence equates to fascism?

Your comment that this priest's actions are 'par for the course' are a bit odd also, since Irish priests in general fiercely denounced PIRA, and were often vilified for this.

I suppose you are using some kind of Micky Mouse logic: there were fascist Catholic priests; therefore Catholic priests are fascists.
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#20  Postby Animavore » Aug 26, 2010 8:40 am

nunnington wrote:
Your comment that this priest's actions are 'par for the course' are a bit odd also, since Irish priests in general fiercely denounced PIRA, and were often vilified for this.


:this: answers this.

nunnington wrote:I'm not sure this is a scandal about the Catholic Church,


I don't see how you don't think that a member of their church being involved in a terrorist organisation they denounced isn't a scandal.
Sure it's a scandal in the same way gay denouncing Ted Haggard being gay is but it's a scandal none the less.
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