asyncritus wrote:
I've shown that you have not made any 'arguments'. I've repeated my demands for you to present your case, in my previous post.
Spearthrower has made a valiant effort, and I commend him for it.

asyncritus wrote:You now have another first class opportunity to cop out, evade or otherwise slither away. Which one are you going to use this time?

We wait with bated breath.

asyncritus wrote:

Onyx8 wrote:Why don't you answer what you have already been asked instead of bringing up yet something else you don't understand?

With reference to the eels, Onyx, if I were an evolutionist, your comment would be fully justified = I wouldn't have a clue as to how this behaviour could possibly have evolved.

But I do know. They were created that way.

asyncritus wrote:

Shrunk wrote:

asyncritus wrote: That’s curious, and not consistent with the facts. Let me remind you that the swallows arrive at the specific location in Capistrano on the 18th March precisely, every year, and leave on Oct 23rd.

This is not actually true. You need to deal with facts, and not myths and folklore. That's how science works.

What are you talking about? Time actually has newsreel footage of this happening. The facts about the godwit and the golden plover are in every textbook about bird migration. Go have a look and stop bleating foolishly.

asyncritus wrote:Eshuis

Do forgive me for ignoring your future posts unless and until you respond to my demands. If you had a case, that wouldn't be too difficult, but since you don't, I can see the difficulties you're experiencing.

You are tedious, boring, repetitive, and pedantic..

So please carry on with my assurance that I shall not reply unless and until you answer the handful of points mentioned above.

Happy Christmas.

asyncritus wrote:
Perhaps headwinds etc may slow them down. But they do arrive, and have done so for the longest time. The tourists, of course, have driven them off. So nuts to your stupid point.

Shrunk wrote:As opposed to your ignorance of the quote function.

So I guess we can add "tourists" to "iron chariots" and others on the list of things God cannot overcome....

asyncritus wrote:

Brunitski wrote:

asyncritus wrote:

Onyx8 wrote:Why don't you answer what you have already been asked instead of bringing up yet something else you don't understand?

With reference to the eels, Onyx, if I were an evolutionist, your comment would be fully justified = I wouldn't have a clue as to how this behaviour could possibly have evolved.

But I do know. They were created that way.

Oh Really.

By Whom, did you say?

God, of course.

Shrunk wrote:I guess the "miracle" is that swallows are supposed to show up every year on exactly the same date and yet they actually don't! Sometimes it can be a month later, and all that are seen are a few lonely swallows circling around in the sky!

A 1915 article in Overland Monthly magazine made note of the birds' annual habit of nesting beneath the Mission's eaves and archways from Spring through Fall, and made the swallows the "signature icon" of the Mission; Father O'Sullivan utilized interest in the phenomenon to generate public interest in restoration efforts during his two decades in residence.

Paul wrote:

Shrunk wrote:I guess the "miracle" is that swallows are supposed to show up every year on exactly the same date and yet they actually don't! Sometimes it can be a month later, and all that are seen are a few lonely swallows circling around in the sky!

It's even more 'miraculous' that the swallows apparently take into account leap days every four years, in exactly the same cycle as the Gregorian calendar .

Call me a cynic, but this from wiki, might lead one to suspect some economy with the truth might have benefited certain parties.

A 1915 article in Overland Monthly magazine made note of the birds' annual habit of nesting beneath the Mission's eaves and archways from Spring through Fall, and made the swallows the "signature icon" of the Mission; Father O'Sullivan utilized interest in the phenomenon to generate public interest in restoration efforts during his two decades in residence.

The proximity of March 19th to the equinox is a pure co-incidence of course.

rEvolutionist wrote:Fucking swallows! How do they work??!

Spearthrower wrote:

asyncritus wrote:

Shrunk wrote:

asyncritus wrote: That’s curious, and not consistent with the facts. Let me remind you that the swallows arrive at the specific location in Capistrano on the 18th March precisely, every year, and leave on Oct 23rd.

This is not actually true. You need to deal with facts, and not myths and folklore. That's how science works.

What are you talking about? Time actually has newsreel footage of this happening. The facts about the godwit and the golden plover are in every textbook about bird migration. Go have a look and stop bleating foolishly.

Bleating foolishly.

I posted falsification of this claim 3 years ago.

Why are you regurgitating lies?

asyncritus wrote:

Oldskeptic wrote:
That’s curious, and not consistent with the facts. Let me remind you that the swallows arrive at the specific location in Capistrano on the 18th March precisely, every year, and leave on Oct 23rd. They must, therefore, have a GPS and a calendar built in somewhere. So

The cliff swallows don't nest at the Mission in Capistrano any longer because the environment changed.

You do admit that they arrive in Capistrano every year, I trust.

The miracle of the "Swallows" of Capistrano takes place each year at the Mission San Juan Capistano, on March 19th, St. Joseph's Day.

http://www.sanjuancapistrano.net/swallows/

So why don't you shove that down your earhole and see where it lands?

They didn't arrive precisely the same date every year nor leave Argentina on precisely the same date every year.

Perhaps headwinds etc may slow them down. But they do arrive, and have done so for the longest time. The tourists, of course, have driven them off. So nuts to your stupid point.

There are large populations of cliff swallows in lower South America that migrate back and forth, to and from the US south west.

Great. So what?

The cliff swallow nests wherever the environment is right. They are all over the place. On cliffs, under bridges, and yes, until the environment changed, under the eves at the mission in Capistrano.

Oh, so they do come to Capistrano. I never mentioned the word Mission. You did. And 'eaves' is the word you're looking for.

They follow a north/south migratory path that is determined by change of seasons and environment.

Don't talk such nonsense.

Only a certain number of birds can nest at any one place so they spread out. If a good place to nest is filled up they move on.

Well, I never. You sure about this profound biological fact?

Cliff swallows use preexisting nests if they can find them, explaining why cliff swallows used the mission at Capistrano, but there is no evidence or reason to believe that they use the same nest year after year, or the same nesting site.

Just in case you have trouble reading what I wrote: I said that they arrive on the 18th March every year (that article said the 19th) from Goya in Argentina. I made no comment about their nesting habits.

But I missed your explanation of how they a. find the place 7,800 miles away, and b. how they get the dates right. You were going to say? Yeah, Shtummmmm.

So effectively you support the fact that they come every year, and leave every year. That right? So how does your magical theory explain those facts? Oh, I know. 'OOHHHH_MMMMM mutations and natural selection'!!! That right?

Also Pacific golden plovers are wide spread across the far north of north America and Asia in summer and winters all over the fucking place, from south Asia to California. They go north in summer and south in winter.

Your ignorance screams loudly.

You did know, didn't you, that there are more than one species of golden plover? The Pacific (Pluvialis fulva which I was talking about), and the American (Pluvialis dominica), which is the one you're probably exhibiting your ignorance about.

The Pacific Golden Plover (Pluvialis fulva), known as the Kolea in Hawaiian, is the most common of Hawai'i's migrant shorebirds, with birds wintering in large numbers in almost all types of available habitat, from coastal pastures and wetlands, to parks and gardens, to the high altitude slopes of Haleakala Crater. Most adult birds return from their Arctic nesting grounds in late July and August, with juveniles following in late September. Most birds then leave by early May, although a few remain throughout the summer. Those birds that decide to stay in Hawai'i throughout the summer months are usually first-year birds. Pacific Golden Plovers do not nest in Hawai'i.

http://www.birdinghawaii.co.uk/XPGPlover2.htm

So, you have misrepresented to species of migratory birds that you seem to no fuck all about, what's next? Oh yeah eels.

I'm happy that you have so correctly represented your ignorance for all to see. Well done.

Spearthrower wrote:

asyncritus wrote:Eshuis

Do forgive me for ignoring your future posts unless and until you respond to my demands. If you had a case, that wouldn't be too difficult, but since you don't, I can see the difficulties you're experiencing.

You are tedious, boring, repetitive, and pedantic..

So please carry on with my assurance that I shall not reply unless and until you answer the handful of points mentioned above.

Happy Christmas.

Good job Thomas - this is Async's way of folding. No humility or comprehension of it; he'll just go on repeating the same idiocies ad nauseum.

Spearthrower wrote:

rEvolutionist wrote:Fucking swallows! How do they work??!

Swallow flies in, swallow flies out - how does that work?

Ok, pinhead... eels swim in, eels swim out - how does that work?

DNA?

Ok, how'd it get there? Hmm? If you're so sure, then you must know how it got there right?

So tell me. How'd it get there? How does it know?



It is actually Bill O'Reilly!

The shame of having a fellow citizen of the UK maintaining such utter idiocy.

Spearthrower wrote:

asyncritus wrote:
I've shown that you have not made any 'arguments'. I've repeated my demands for you to present your case, in my previous post.
Spearthrower has made a valiant effort, and I commend him for it.

You don't seem to understand, Async. I didn't make an effort, I informed you of the facts.

asyncritus wrote:If the leptocephali of eel A successfully migrated say 500 miles to the north of the Sargasso, grew up some where and then returned to Sargasso ( floating at 3000 feet depth in an ocean current of some kind) and then died, then THEY COULD NOT PASS THAT ACQUIRED INFORMATION DOWN TO THEIR OWN OFFSPRING who would then have to start from scratch all over again. Why? Because the adults are all as dead as dodos. And because as we all should know, acquired information CANNOT be inherited. PERIOD.