Common creationist fallacies
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kiore wrote:The thread title made me think: sickle cell anaemia straight away, but then I am living in malarialand..
Atheistoclast wrote:So what? The mutations that causes the cub to be white likely inhibits eumelanin production. Even if it is useful in an arctic environment for camouflage, it is still a functionally degrading mutation. The same is true of white-skinned humans whose ancestors migrated out of Africa. It is "beneficial" to lose pigmentation because we can absorb more UV to allow us to produce more Vitamin D. Creationists are fully aware of these mutations. What they want are examples of mutations that add to the information content and functionality of the genome.
Atheistoclast wrote:So what? The mutations that causes the cub to be white likely inhibits eumelanin production. Even if it is useful in an arctic environment for camouflage, it is still a functionally degrading mutation. The same is true of white-skinned humans whose ancestors migrated out of Africa. It is "beneficial" to lose pigmentation because we can absorb more UV to allow us to produce more Vitamin D. Creationists are fully aware of these mutations. What they want are examples of mutations that add to the information content and functionality of the genome.
However, a detailed survey of SNPs in the human population revealed the presence of a homozygous stop codon within the env gene of ERV-3 in 1% of the population (13), a finding that would be inconsistent with an essential role in placenta formation. Attention turned to a gene dubbed syncytin (14). It corresponds to the env gene of one particular member of the HERV-W family of proviruses (15). It is conserved in evolution and highly expressed in placenta, specifically in the syncytiotrophoblast. When introduced into cultured cells, it can mediate fusion, an activity that can be blocked by addition of antisera directed against syncytin to the media. Subsequently, a second conserved env gene (syncytin-2), highly conserved in evolution and encoded by an endogenous provirus of the HERV-FRD group, also with fusion activity, was identified by a genomewide screen for env genes with ORFs (only 16 were identified) followed by functional testing (16). Detailed SNP analysis yielded no data inconsistent with a functional role for syncytin-1 or syncytin-2 (17).
ramseyoptom wrote:Atheistoclast wrote:So what? The mutations that causes the cub to be white likely inhibits eumelanin production. Even if it is useful in an arctic environment for camouflage, it is still a functionally degrading mutation. The same is true of white-skinned humans whose ancestors migrated out of Africa. It is "beneficial" to lose pigmentation because we can absorb more UV to allow us to produce more Vitamin D. Creationists are fully aware of these mutations. What they want are examples of mutations that add to the information content and functionality of the genome.
Do I detect the movement of goal posts??
And please explain how a genetic mutation which allows the organism to survive in an environment functionally degrading??
Atheistoclast wrote:ramseyoptom wrote:Atheistoclast wrote:So what? The mutations that causes the cub to be white likely inhibits eumelanin production. Even if it is useful in an arctic environment for camouflage, it is still a functionally degrading mutation. The same is true of white-skinned humans whose ancestors migrated out of Africa. It is "beneficial" to lose pigmentation because we can absorb more UV to allow us to produce more Vitamin D. Creationists are fully aware of these mutations. What they want are examples of mutations that add to the information content and functionality of the genome.
Do I detect the movement of goal posts??
And please explain how a genetic mutation which allows the organism to survive in an environment functionally degrading??
I am white because one of my ancestors lost the ability to produce the dark pigment, eumelanin, in his/her skin cells. The loss of eumelanin helps me absorb more UV in a region far north of the equator so that my body can produce Vitamin D. It is a case of a functionally degrading mutation that proves to be beneficial for survival.
Atheistoclast wrote:So what?
Atheistoclast wrote:The mutations that causes the cub to be white likely inhibits eumelanin production.
Atheistoclast wrote:Even if it is useful in an arctic environment for camouflage, it is still a functionally degrading mutation.
Atheistoclast wrote:The same is true of white-skinned humans whose ancestors migrated out of Africa. It is "beneficial" to lose pigmentation because we can absorb more UV to allow us to produce more Vitamin D.
Atheistoclast wrote:Creationists are fully aware of these mutations. What they want are examples of mutations that add to the information content and functionality of the genome.
Atheistoclast wrote:So what? The mutations that causes the cub to be white likely inhibits eumelanin production. Even if it is useful in an arctic environment for camouflage, it is still a functionally degrading mutation. The same is true of white-skinned humans whose ancestors migrated out of Africa. It is "beneficial" to lose pigmentation because we can absorb more UV to allow us to produce more Vitamin D. Creationists are fully aware of these mutations. What they want are examples of mutations that add to the information content and functionality of the genome.
Mutation, which evolutionists frequently hide behind, is not a magic wand that transforms living organisms into a more advanced and perfect form. The direct effect of mutations is harmful. The changes effected by mutations can only be like those experienced by people in Hiroshima, Nagasaki, and Chernobyl: that is, death, disability, and freaks of nature…
The reason for this is very simple: DNA has a very complex structure, and random effects can only damage it. Biologist B. G. Ranganathan states:First, genuine mutations are very rare in nature. Secondly, most mutations are harmful since they are random, rather than orderly changes in the structure of genes;any random change in a highy ordered system will be for the worse, not for the better. For example, if an earthquake were to shake a highly ordered structure such as a building, there would be a random change in the framework of the building, which, in all probability, would not be an improvement.
Not surprisingly, no useful mutation has been so far observed. All mutations have proved to be harmful.
Atheistoclast wrote:So what? The mutations that causes the cub to be white likely inhibits eumelanin production. Even if it is useful in an arctic environment for camouflage, it is still a functionally degrading mutation. The same is true of white-skinned humans whose ancestors migrated out of Africa. It is "beneficial" to lose pigmentation because we can absorb more UV to allow us to produce more Vitamin D. Creationists are fully aware of these mutations. What they want are examples of mutations that add to the information content and functionality of the genome.
Atheistoclast wrote:I am white because one of my ancestors lost the ability to produce the dark pigment, eumelanin, in his/her skin cells. The loss of eumelanin helps me absorb more UV in a region far north of the equator so that my body can produce Vitamin D. It is a case of a functionaly degrading mutation that proves to be beneficial for survival.
Atheistoclast wrote:So what? The mutations that causes the cub to be white likely inhibits eumelanin production. Even if it is useful in an arctic environment for camouflage, it is still a functionally degrading mutation. The same is true of white-skinned humans whose ancestors migrated out of Africa. It is "beneficial" to lose pigmentation because we can absorb more UV to allow us to produce more Vitamin D. Creationists are fully aware of these mutations. What they want are examples of mutations that add to the information content and functionality of the genome.
Atheistoclast wrote:What they want are examples of mutations that add to the information content and functionality of the genome.
Peter Harrison wrote:Atheistoclast wrote:What they want are examples of mutations that add to the information content and functionality of the genome.
Some creationists honestly think it's impossible to add "information", and that mutations only ever subtract information. But mutations are reversible, so...
Now, according to Atheistoclast's duplicitous apologetics above, the change from fully armoured to low-armoured fishes was a "loss of information" and "degeneration", which means that the re-emergence of fully armoured status must, logically, constitute a "gain of information", if his apologetics is to be consistent. Of course, we'll see the usual fabrications to try and avoid this conclusion, which of course only arises if one treats his misrepresentation of evolutionary processes, and his canards about "information", as being something other than ex recto assertions on his part.
Peter Harrison wrote:Atheistoclast wrote:What they want are examples of mutations that add to the information content and functionality of the genome.
Some creationists honestly think it's impossible to add "information", and that mutations only ever subtract information. But mutations are reversible, so...
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