Bullshit, I say
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Scot Dutchy wrote:So? Well designed lights cause as little as possible and we have Philips.
You can’t see the problem? Loud, smelly, polluting, speeding motor driven machines, weaving in and out of bicyclists, annoying and physically endangering everyone they pass. I can see, hear, smell, feel, and taste the problem–all over the bike paths of Amsterdam, every day. Scooters on bike paths are a scourge and should be banned.
OlivierK wrote:Scot Dutchy wrote:So? Well designed lights cause as little as possible and we have Philips.
I can guarantee you that even one of your best-designed Philips lights causes more light pollution than all the streetlights along the 26km length of my road combined (because there are none).
We're bang on mid-winter here, and clear nights like tonight are astounding for stargazing, with the Milky Way actually looking milky. If it wasn't around 0C outside, I'd be out there now.
Macdoc wrote:You can’t see the problem? Loud, smelly, polluting, speeding motor driven machines, weaving in and out of bicyclists, annoying and physically endangering everyone they pass. I can see, hear, smell, feel, and taste the problem–all over the bike paths of Amsterdam, every day. Scooters on bike paths are a scourge and should be banned.
https://bicycledutch.wordpress.com/2013 ... therlands/
Why are all these scooters here?
Hundreds of people cycled together through the Amsterdam evening rush hour last Friday. They chanted “Cycle paths… Scooter free” and – in true Amsterdam style – “Why are all these scooters here? Dump that garbage in the canal!” Right, so what was that all about?
Already at the gathering point several hundreds of people showed up. During the tour many more joined, some spontaneously. I heard one man in a suit coming from work say, while he made a 180-degree-turn to join the group, “This is good, I’ll ride with you!”
If you never experienced the big pro-cycling demonstrations in Amsterdam (and other cities in the Netherlands) in the 1970s, last Friday came really close. For a good reason the Dutch will still get out on the streets on their bicycles armed with flags, banners, whistles and horns. This was a very worthy cause: scooters and mopeds are still using the cycle paths in Amsterdam and the rest of the Netherlands. Endangering and annoying people who cycle there, with their volume, speed, noise and pollution. Strange, because Amsterdam had already convinced the Minister of Transport in June 2014 that that had to change. The minister had indeed proposed the legislators to decide to send scooters to the carriageway, but they did not take that decision. Stranger still, in January 2016, a motion to postpone the decision and do more research first was rejected, but still – almost two years later – no decision was taken.
Why are all these scooters here?
Hundreds of people cycled together through the Amsterdam evening rush hour last Friday. They chanted “Cycle paths… Scooter free” and – in true Amsterdam style – “Why are all these scooters here? Dump that garbage in the canal!” Right, so what was that all about?
Already at the gathering point several hundreds of people showed up. During the tour many more joined, some spontaneously. I heard one man in a suit coming from work say, while he made a 180-degree-turn to join the group, “This is good, I’ll ride with you!”
If you never experienced the big pro-cycling demonstrations in Amsterdam (and other cities in the Netherlands) in the 1970s, last Friday came really close. For a good reason the Dutch will still get out on the streets on their bicycles armed with flags, banners, whistles and horns. This was a very worthy cause: scooters and mopeds are still using the cycle paths in Amsterdam and the rest of the Netherlands. Endangering and annoying people who cycle there, with their volume, speed, noise and pollution. Strange, because Amsterdam had already convinced the Minister of Transport in June 2014 that that had to change. The minister had indeed proposed the legislators to decide to send scooters to the carriageway, but they did not take that decision. Stranger still, in January 2016, a motion to postpone the decision and do more research first was rejected, but still – almost two years later – no decision was taken.
There are now four times as many scooters as there were ten years ago.
96% of the scooters drive far too fast and are often illegally tuned.
Scooters are involved in accidents three times more often than all other road users.
Scooters are very polluting and unhealthy, up to a hundred times more than old diesel cars.
It seems that now – finally – the scooters will be sent off the cycle paths of Amsterdam (and other cities in the Netherlands) from 1 January 2019! Read more here.
13 April 2018
The truth is that we the car, truck & motorcycle drivers and riders are the ones that pay road taxes to circulate, and everyone that rides an scooter should have a driver’s licence, cyclist are dicks period!!! As a retired mountain bike pro rider i can tell you that the Dutch cyclist are the most aggressive riders on this word, not even racing cyclist get that aggressive on the end of a race!!!!! If everyone was a bit nicer & polite on the street to each other & respect the traffic code, there would not be so many accidents! And stop blaming it on other ethnic groups, the dutch themselves drive and ride like shit!
Scot Dutchy wrote:OlivierK wrote:Scot Dutchy wrote:So? Well designed lights cause as little as possible and we have Philips.
I can guarantee you that even one of your best-designed Philips lights causes more light pollution than all the streetlights along the 26km length of my road combined (because there are none).
We're bang on mid-winter here, and clear nights like tonight are astounding for stargazing, with the Milky Way actually looking milky. If it wasn't around 0C outside, I'd be out there now.
What are you jammering about. So you see stars. I will go for safety. Saving lives is more important. Cant afford the lights?
OlivierK wrote:Scot Dutchy wrote:So? Well designed lights cause as little as possible and we have Philips.
I can guarantee you that even one of your best-designed Philips lights causes more light pollution than all the streetlights along the 26km length of my road combined (because there are none).
We're bang on mid-winter here, and clear nights like tonight are astounding for stargazing, with the Milky Way actually looking milky. If it wasn't around 0C outside, I'd be out there now.
Macdoc wrote:What your "laws" say and what really happens are two different things entirely. The bigger scoots still use the cycle lanes.
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