Loud pipes save lives?

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Re: Loud pipes save lives?

#21  Postby Macdoc » Jul 13, 2018 5:54 am

With a train that is exactly what it is supposed to do. A modulated headlight on a motorcycle is not as strong but certainly works well.

The other trick ...again that trains use is triangular light field.

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I've considered that a couple of times but tend to roll my bikes over.

It's getting pretty easy now with LED kits.

Speaking of which ...I was shocked walking down to the bakery while still dark just before dawn and a bunch of bikes were looping the area ....all had good headlights and a couple had dual headlights far better than my motorcycle.

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#22  Postby Scot Dutchy » Jul 14, 2018 5:24 pm

Never a problem here. All roads are lit everywhere.
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Re: Loud pipes save lives?

#23  Postby Macdoc » Jul 14, 2018 10:43 pm

I would expect so living in a postage stamp. Nice contribution to light pollution tho. :coffee:
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#24  Postby Scot Dutchy » Jul 15, 2018 9:43 am

So? Well designed lights cause as little as possible and we have Philips. Better than all the pollution noise motor bikes make.
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#25  Postby Cito di Pense » Jul 15, 2018 9:58 am

The loudest pipe I ever smoked made a sort of a "bong" sound.
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#26  Postby OlivierK » Jul 15, 2018 1:03 pm

Scot Dutchy wrote:So? Well designed lights cause as little as possible and we have Philips.

I can guarantee you that even one of your best-designed Philips lights causes more light pollution than all the streetlights along the 26km length of my road combined (because there are none).

We're bang on mid-winter here, and clear nights like tonight are astounding for stargazing, with the Milky Way actually looking milky. If it wasn't around 0C outside, I'd be out there now.
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#27  Postby Macdoc » Jul 15, 2018 4:51 pm

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You can’t see the problem? Loud, smelly, polluting, speeding motor driven machines, weaving in and out of bicyclists, annoying and physically endangering everyone they pass. I can see, hear, smell, feel, and taste the problem–all over the bike paths of Amsterdam, every day. Scooters on bike paths are a scourge and should be banned.


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#28  Postby Scot Dutchy » Jul 15, 2018 5:52 pm

OlivierK wrote:
Scot Dutchy wrote:So? Well designed lights cause as little as possible and we have Philips.

I can guarantee you that even one of your best-designed Philips lights causes more light pollution than all the streetlights along the 26km length of my road combined (because there are none).

We're bang on mid-winter here, and clear nights like tonight are astounding for stargazing, with the Milky Way actually looking milky. If it wasn't around 0C outside, I'd be out there now.


What are you jammering about. So you see stars. I will go for safety. Saving lives is more important. Cant afford the lights?
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#29  Postby Scot Dutchy » Jul 15, 2018 5:54 pm

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You can’t see the problem? Loud, smelly, polluting, speeding motor driven machines, weaving in and out of bicyclists, annoying and physically endangering everyone they pass. I can see, hear, smell, feel, and taste the problem–all over the bike paths of Amsterdam, every day. Scooters on bike paths are a scourge and should be banned.


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#30  Postby Macdoc » Jul 15, 2018 8:05 pm

Oh ?? once more you make a declaration without fact checking

Why are all these scooters here?
Hundreds of people cycled together through the Amsterdam evening rush hour last Friday. They chanted “Cycle paths… Scooter free” and – in true Amsterdam style – “Why are all these scooters here? Dump that garbage in the canal!” Right, so what was that all about?


Already at the gathering point several hundreds of people showed up. During the tour many more joined, some spontaneously. I heard one man in a suit coming from work say, while he made a 180-degree-turn to join the group, “This is good, I’ll ride with you!”

If you never experienced the big pro-cycling demonstrations in Amsterdam (and other cities in the Netherlands) in the 1970s, last Friday came really close. For a good reason the Dutch will still get out on the streets on their bicycles armed with flags, banners, whistles and horns. This was a very worthy cause: scooters and mopeds are still using the cycle paths in Amsterdam and the rest of the Netherlands. Endangering and annoying people who cycle there, with their volume, speed, noise and pollution. Strange, because Amsterdam had already convinced the Minister of Transport in June 2014 that that had to change. The minister had indeed proposed the legislators to decide to send scooters to the carriageway, but they did not take that decision. Stranger still, in January 2016, a motion to postpone the decision and do more research first was rejected, but still – almost two years later – no decision was taken.
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#31  Postby Macdoc » Jul 15, 2018 8:09 pm

Oh ?? once more you make a declaration without fact checking - fast forward to Sept 2017

Why are all these scooters here?
Hundreds of people cycled together through the Amsterdam evening rush hour last Friday. They chanted “Cycle paths… Scooter free” and – in true Amsterdam style – “Why are all these scooters here? Dump that garbage in the canal!” Right, so what was that all about?


Already at the gathering point several hundreds of people showed up. During the tour many more joined, some spontaneously. I heard one man in a suit coming from work say, while he made a 180-degree-turn to join the group, “This is good, I’ll ride with you!”

If you never experienced the big pro-cycling demonstrations in Amsterdam (and other cities in the Netherlands) in the 1970s, last Friday came really close. For a good reason the Dutch will still get out on the streets on their bicycles armed with flags, banners, whistles and horns. This was a very worthy cause: scooters and mopeds are still using the cycle paths in Amsterdam and the rest of the Netherlands. Endangering and annoying people who cycle there, with their volume, speed, noise and pollution. Strange, because Amsterdam had already convinced the Minister of Transport in June 2014 that that had to change. The minister had indeed proposed the legislators to decide to send scooters to the carriageway, but they did not take that decision. Stranger still, in January 2016, a motion to postpone the decision and do more research first was rejected, but still – almost two years later – no decision was taken.


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There are now four times as many scooters as there were ten years ago.
96% of the scooters drive far too fast and are often illegally tuned.
Scooters are involved in accidents three times more often than all other road users.
Scooters are very polluting and unhealthy, up to a hundred times more than old diesel cars.


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Not until 2019
It seems that now – finally – the scooters will be sent off the cycle paths of Amsterdam (and other cities in the Netherlands) from 1 January 2019! Read more here.


and by then who knows what will happen


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The truth is that we the car, truck & motorcycle drivers and riders are the ones that pay road taxes to circulate, and everyone that rides an scooter should have a driver’s licence, cyclist are dicks period!!! As a retired mountain bike pro rider i can tell you that the Dutch cyclist are the most aggressive riders on this word, not even racing cyclist get that aggressive on the end of a race!!!!! If everyone was a bit nicer & polite on the street to each other & respect the traffic code, there would not be so many accidents! And stop blaming it on other ethnic groups, the dutch themselves drive and ride like shit!


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Re: Loud pipes save lives?

#32  Postby OlivierK » Jul 16, 2018 2:54 am

Scot Dutchy wrote:
OlivierK wrote:
Scot Dutchy wrote:So? Well designed lights cause as little as possible and we have Philips.

I can guarantee you that even one of your best-designed Philips lights causes more light pollution than all the streetlights along the 26km length of my road combined (because there are none).

We're bang on mid-winter here, and clear nights like tonight are astounding for stargazing, with the Milky Way actually looking milky. If it wasn't around 0C outside, I'd be out there now.


What are you jammering about. So you see stars. I will go for safety. Saving lives is more important. Cant afford the lights?

They're just not appropriate. I've only lived in this road for 18 years, but as far as I know no lives have been lost on it, ever, day or night. At night, the lack of streetlighting makes other cars really obvious - even around blind corners you can tell when there's a car approaching, because the indirect light of their headlights is visible well before the car itself.

While there are certainly contexts in which streetlighting improves safety, there are also contexts when it's not really necessary, as even the Dutch seem to know...

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#33  Postby laklak » Jul 16, 2018 3:30 am

I hate the street lights in our neighborhood. I'd shoot the fuckers out if I thought I wouldn't get caught. Come to think of it, what they gonna do? Ballistic test every gun in the neighborhood? Probably 500 of them around here.

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Re: Loud pipes save lives?

#34  Postby Macdoc » Jul 16, 2018 7:23 am

I can see it, I can see it,,...a growing dark spot in Florida on Google Earth .. nice shooting Lak :smoke:
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#35  Postby Scot Dutchy » Jul 16, 2018 10:50 am

JFCOAPS.

Olivier those are access roads only used by the people who live there.
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#36  Postby Scot Dutchy » Jul 16, 2018 11:16 am

Macdoc. You are still out of date but never mind.

Mopeds are divided into two groups. "Snorfiets" and "Brommers".

Snorfietsen (light mopeds) have a governed max speed of 25 kph. No helmet is required. They are allowed to use the cycle lanes. Have blue insurance plate on the rear.

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Brommers (heavy mopeds) have a governed max speed 45kph. Helmet is required. A knowledge certificate is required(sort driving licence). Not allowed on urban cycle tracks. Have a yellow insurance plate on the rear.

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Verboden = forbidden. Verplicht = compulsory

The Town Council of Amsterdam gave themselves powers last December to ban the snorfiets from the cycle lanes if required.

Scooters were already and have been banned since the 90's from urban cycle lanes.
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#37  Postby OlivierK » Jul 16, 2018 12:20 pm

Scot Dutchy wrote:JFCOAPS.

Olivier those are access roads only used by the people who live there.

Two of the three have cycle lanes, so I think that's not quite right.

And what's your definition of an access road? My road leaves a minor highway at a river bridge and follows the river 26km upstream, then just ends. As we're surrounded by National Park and State Forest, there are no intersecting roads along its entire length. It's wide enough for two cars for the first 20km, and has a nominal speed limit of 100km/h that's not possible to safely reach in many sections, but possible to safely exceed now and again. Population along the road is about 600, with almost half of that coming from a dozen or so 60s-era hippie communes of various sizes. No shops or villages, but two schools, a pre-school, two fire stations and a community hall.
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#38  Postby Macdoc » Jul 16, 2018 12:32 pm

What your "laws" say and what really happens are two different things entirely. The bigger scoots still use the cycle lanes.

We have noise bylaws for loud pipes...the cops don't enforce them so they are ignored.

A few towns in the US have banned mcycles entirely but we rode through without a raised eyebrow. Mind you my bikes are quiet.
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#39  Postby Fallible » Jul 16, 2018 12:39 pm

OlivierK wrote:
Scot Dutchy wrote:So? Well designed lights cause as little as possible and we have Philips.

I can guarantee you that even one of your best-designed Philips lights causes more light pollution than all the streetlights along the 26km length of my road combined (because there are none).

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#40  Postby Scot Dutchy » Jul 16, 2018 1:03 pm

Macdoc wrote:What your "laws" say and what really happens are two different things entirely. The bigger scoots still use the cycle lanes.



You cant read? They dont but of course you know better. I have explained in great detail what the difference is. You are unable to understand? As I carefully explained we dont have a classification called "scooters". Amsterdam has a problem with snorfietsen (light mopeds) and has taken powers to handle them.

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