Keep It Real wrote:Did I say Indians are immune? No. Chinese nationals are, be it true or not, in the zeitgeist, FAR more likely to come into contact with infected individuals through traveling to China/Wuhan or having contact with people who've had contact with people (who've had contact with people etc etc etc), or have themselves been to China/Wuhan than Indians/Poles/Brits etc etc etc.

There is virtually no difference in risk between a Chinese takeaway and Indian takeaway restaurant in London England.

Keep It Real wrote:
WHY does this need spelling out FFS

Indeed

felltoearth wrote:There is virtually no difference in risk between a Chinese takeaway and Indian takeaway restaurant in London England.

Show your working or UTFS.

Keep It Real wrote:Did I say Indians are immune? No. Chinese nationals are, be it true or not, in the zeitgeist, FAR more likely to come into contact with infected individuals through traveling to China/Wuhan or having contact with people who've had contact with people (who've had contact with people etc etc etc), or have themselves been to China/Wuhan than Indians/Poles/Brits etc etc etc. WHY does this need spelling out FFS

Mostly because highly irrational thinking is opaque to rational thinkers as the potential nonsense conjecture employed in place of reason is near infinite.

To help out with your floppy thinking; it would be 'visitors to Wuhan' who are far more likely to come into contact with infected individuals; nothing inherently 'Chinese' about them. Thus Indians, Poles etc. who *have* recently visited infectious hotspots are actually vastly more likely to be a vector risk than Chinese people are just by being Chinese.

Also, China's a fucking big place, so even visiting China doesn't remotely suggest any detectable increased risk over visiting any other country.

Keep It Real wrote:

felltoearth wrote:There is virtually no difference in risk between a Chinese takeaway and Indian takeaway restaurant in London England.

Show your working or UTFS.

You brought up Indian v Chinese takeaway, not me. You show that Chinese takeaway is a greater risk. Your assertion.

Spinozasgalt wrote:Racism. It's racism.

Bingo is bingo.

Keep It Real wrote:Coronavirus is a race?!

Because that's what Spinozasgalt implied?

Keep It Real wrote: Oh no, I see what you mean now - Wuhan is spread evenly over the planet's surface like so much icing on so much carrot cake.

No, that's also clearly not what Spinzosgalt said or implied.

Spinozasgalt wrote::what:

felltoearth wrote:

Keep It Real wrote:

felltoearth wrote:There is virtually no difference in risk between a Chinese takeaway and Indian takeaway restaurant in London England.

Show your working or UTFS.

You brought up Indian v Chinese takeaway, not me. You show that Chinese takeaway is a greater risk. Your assertion.

I said people seem to THINK that, you stated as a fact they are wrong, ergo, YOUR assertion.

Keep It Real wrote:

felltoearth wrote:There is virtually no difference in risk between a Chinese takeaway and Indian takeaway restaurant in London England.

Show your working or UTFS.

It's quite simple: null hypothesis until any evidence shows the contrary.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Null_hypothesis

... the null hypothesis is a general statement or default position that there is nothing significantly different happening, like there is no association among groups or variables, or that there is no relationship between two measured phenomena.

Keep It Real wrote:
True, but when an Indian takeaway is just as appealing, why "cross the road" other than "at the zebra crossing?"

Here’s your original JAQing off assertion.

Spearthrower wrote:

Fallible wrote:Also, isn’t it spread by droplets in the air?

Aye, respiratory droplets produced when coughing or sneezing, although not necessarily in the air as it's quite probably that contact with an infected surface can transmit the virus from hand to mouth/nose too.

Ok, thank you.

Keep It Real wrote:

felltoearth wrote:

Keep It Real wrote:

felltoearth wrote:There is virtually no difference in risk between a Chinese takeaway and Indian takeaway restaurant in London England.

Show your working or UTFS.

You brought up Indian v Chinese takeaway, not me. You show that Chinese takeaway is a greater risk. Your assertion.

I said people seem to THINK that, you stated as a fact they are wrong, ergo, YOUR assertion.

No you didn't. That's complete bollocks.

Your posts quoted in full:

http://www.rationalskepticism.org/gener ... l#p2731656

Keep It Real wrote:The dialogue I normally have (on the rare occasion I splash out on a dear takeaway) is: "Chinese or Indian, Chinese or Indian, Chinese or Indian...hmmmmm." I can imagine my brain might ATM interject "Coronavirus, so, Indian."

http://www.rationalskepticism.org/gener ... l#p2731668

Keep It Real wrote:Increased risk of contracting corona due to having one's food prepared by (overwhelmingly, round these parts anyway) Chinese nationals.

http://www.rationalskepticism.org/gener ... l#p2731718

Keep It Real wrote:Did I say Indians are immune? No. Chinese nationals are, be it true or not, in the zeitgeist, FAR more likely to come into contact with infected individuals through traveling to China/Wuhan or having contact with people who've had contact with people (who've had contact with people etc etc etc), or have themselves been to China/Wuhan than Indians/Poles/Brits etc etc etc. WHY does this need spelling out FFS

Not once did you say 'people THINK that'... all you really showed was that YOU think that, and while you are indeed 'people', felltoearth's challenge stands: support your contention.

The relative likelihood of the average Chinese person in Britain having visited China recently does seem more likely than the average non-Chinese person having visited China recently (from Britain), especially given the recent Chinese New Year celebrations (which were only 16 days ago). After all, many people of Chinese descent do have many more emotional/cultural ties to China than the average non-Chinese person in Britain.

It's probably similar to any ex-pat situation anywhere in the world. For example, I'd bet quite a lot of money that a relatively higher proportion of Brits living in Europe/anywhere visited Britain at Xmas and/or New Year, compared to the average non-British person.
It's a family/cultural thing.

Indeed, one could make the same inverse statements: about a higher proportion of Chinese people visiting Britain from China at that critical time of this year.

Having said all of that, the number of confirmed cases of the virus in the UK presently is so low that anyone already banishing Chinese restaurants/takeaways must be paranoid to the extreme. I just wanted to make the point that it is not utterly irrational to be having such thoughts. Utterly paranoid, maybe, but not utterly irrational.

Keep It Real wrote:

felltoearth wrote:There is virtually no difference in risk between a Chinese takeaway and Indian takeaway restaurant in London England.

Show your working or UTFS.

Underwater Transcontinental Freight System?
Underwear That Fastens Securely?
Underground Tickling Fetishist Society?

Spinozasgalt wrote:Racism. It's racism.

It disgusts me that we cannot actually have a rational discussion about this without walking upon the eggshell of racism, yet here you are with [currently] 3 thumbs-ups for making such a pathetic remark.

jamest wrote:

Spinozasgalt wrote:Racism. It's racism.

It disgusts me that we cannot actually have a rational discussion about this without walking upon the eggshell of racism, yet here you are with [currently] 3 thumbs-ups for making such a pathetic remark.

I've always found this to be an incredibly idiotic argument. It's perfectly possible to have a rational discussion while also pointing out that things are racist. It's almost like people who want to make the argument that people are acting offended in lieu of argument are, themselves, acting offended in lieu of argument.

SafeAsMilk wrote:

jamest wrote:

Spinozasgalt wrote:Racism. It's racism.

It disgusts me that we cannot actually have a rational discussion about this without walking upon the eggshell of racism, yet here you are with [currently] 3 thumbs-ups for making such a pathetic remark.

I've always found this to be an incredibly idiotic argument. It's perfectly possible to have a rational discussion while also pointing out that things are racist. It's almost like people who want to make the argument that people are acting offended in lieu of argument are, themselves, acting offended in lieu of argument.

Racism exists in the minds of many individuals, I accept that. However, on the question of whether it is inherently racist to currently boycott Chinese food, I think not, as the people who are considering doing so were obviously not doing so prior to the coronavirus thingy. Which makes this a virus issue, not a racist issue.

Imo, anyone here seeking to turn this into a racist issue is a fucking idiot.

jamest wrote:

Spinozasgalt wrote:Racism. It's racism.

It disgusts me that we cannot actually have a rational discussion about this without walking upon the eggshell of racism, yet here you are with [currently] 3 thumbs-ups for making such a pathetic remark.

And you would call judging someone entirely by their race what exactly?

jamest wrote:

SafeAsMilk wrote:

jamest wrote:

Spinozasgalt wrote:Racism. It's racism.

It disgusts me that we cannot actually have a rational discussion about this without walking upon the eggshell of racism, yet here you are with [currently] 3 thumbs-ups for making such a pathetic remark.

I've always found this to be an incredibly idiotic argument. It's perfectly possible to have a rational discussion while also pointing out that things are racist. It's almost like people who want to make the argument that people are acting offended in lieu of argument are, themselves, acting offended in lieu of argument.

Racism exists in the minds of many individuals, I accept that. However, on the question of whether it is inherently racist to currently boycott Chinese food, I think not, as the people who are considering doing so were obviously not doing so prior to the coronavirus thingy. Which makes this a virus issue, not a racist issue.

Imo, anyone here seeking to turn this into a racist issue is a fucking idiot.

Fuck you are so rationally inept

Also, who the fuck walks on eggshells when a racism accusation is directed at a third party?

I don't, I just continue as normal, given that my normal output isn't racist. At least I don't think it is, and nobody's ever accused me of such - if the issue ever comes up I'll consider whether any criticism has merit.

From the OP onwards, KIR has posted stuff that at the very least relies on racist assumptions. Spinozasgalt has called him out on it directly, after many others have done so indirectly by questioning his motivations for the OP. The only reason I can think of for jamest or anyone else to feel they have to walk on eggshells at this point is a guilty conscience.

jamest wrote:

SafeAsMilk wrote:

jamest wrote:

Spinozasgalt wrote:Racism. It's racism.

It disgusts me that we cannot actually have a rational discussion about this without walking upon the eggshell of racism, yet here you are with [currently] 3 thumbs-ups for making such a pathetic remark.

I've always found this to be an incredibly idiotic argument. It's perfectly possible to have a rational discussion while also pointing out that things are racist. It's almost like people who want to make the argument that people are acting offended in lieu of argument are, themselves, acting offended in lieu of argument.

Racism exists in the minds of many individuals, I accept that. However, on the question of whether it is inherently racist to currently boycott Chinese food, I think not, as the people who are considering doing so were obviously not doing so prior to the coronavirus thingy. Which makes this a virus issue, not a racist issue.

Imo, anyone here seeking to turn this into a racist issue is a fucking idiot.

It transparently is a race issue, because the entire thing making assumptions based on people's race. Sit down before you hurt yourself.