Sendraks wrote:

Scot Dutchy wrote:So reading articles about the raping of young girls by muslim gangs is proof of the success.

It is not proof of failure either Scot, nor of it being a cultural issue, given there are plenty of examples throughout my lifetime of indigenous, English nationals, committing similar horrific crimes.

Multiculturalism =/= an end to people committing crimes.

Scot Dutchy wrote:Yes of course you declare it is a success so therefore it is.

Animavore wrote:Multiculturalism seems to work in Ireland. There are racist incidents, but they tend to be uniformly condemned. It's hard to know because there's no good research on it. But just from what I'm seeing around me black's and whites hanging out together. Black teens with Irish accents and talking the lingo. No obvious sign a it's a black person speaking if you heard one speaking behind you. I see no signs of a sub-culture with their own lingo either.

Sendraks wrote:

Scot Dutchy wrote:Yes of course you declare it is a success so therefore it is.

Your view of multiculturalism in the UK appears to be stuck in the 1960s and 1970s. Times have changed.

I think it is. We have, in the UK, people from all different cultures, living peaceably side by side and people absorbing those cultures and adapting to each others cultures as suits. No one is being oppressed. No one is being told they cannot have their culture.

Just down the road from me is the second largest retailer of craft ales in Leeds. It is run by a local Indian Sikh family. They're well liked and well known by the locals. Never mind all the Chinese, Japanese, Indian, Pakistani, African, Middle-Eastern and other eateries from different cultures that we have in Leeds that do very well are championed and supported by the local populace.

Scot Dutchy wrote:So all of a sudden anecdotes are evidence.

Sendraks wrote:

Scot Dutchy wrote:So all of a sudden anecdotes are evidence.

I'm just citing what is going on in Leeds, right now.
Of course as mere "anecdote" it would be totally impossible for anyone to come and verify what I say is accurate or not.

Rob Potts, assistant chief constable at Greater Manchester police, said: “This case is another that has been launched by Operation Doublet, an investigation into child sexual exploitation (CSE) that arose following the 2011 investigation into CSE in Rochdale.

Scot Dutchy wrote:
How about Rochdale then?

Scot Dutchy wrote:How many are going to come in that lovely multicultural society?

It is not proof of failure either Scot, nor of it being a cultural issue, given there are plenty of examples throughout my lifetime of indigenous, English nationals, committing similar horrific crimes.

Multiculturalism =/= an end to people committing crimes.

Scot Dutchy wrote:So having 380,000 women who cant speak English is ok.

Scot Dutchy wrote: Or gang after gang of muslims being arrested for sexual assaults is not a sign of a society failing?

Scot Dutchy wrote:When for you will mark the failure point?

Sendraks wrote:

Scot Dutchy wrote:So having 380,000 women who cant speak English is ok.

Can you point to where I said that it was?

Scot Dutchy wrote: Or gang after gang of muslims being arrested for sexual assaults is not a sign of a society failing?

Is it a sign of a failing society? last time I checked, the majority of Muslims did not commit sexual assaults.

I mean we've had plenty of white English nationals committing sexual assaults over the decades. Was society failing then? I don't believe it was.

Did global society fail when the world's largest paedophile ring was busted in 2011? A ring that wasn't run by muslims or even majority composed of muslims?

Scot Dutchy wrote:When for you will mark the failure point?

I don't set the bar for failure so ridiculously low as you do. But, that's kind of expected from someone whose understanding of life in the UK that is 30 to 40 years out of date.

Scot Dutchy wrote:A graph that says nothing. What else should we expect?

So if any part of any culture calls for discriminating or persecuting other members of that society, that is unacceptable.

Ontario lauded for high school history curriculum
Required Grade 10 history and civics classes earn province a higher rating than others.

The Oka crisis is among the many important events in 20th century history that Ontario teachers say they have difficulty cramming into the one-year Canadian history course, which is mandatory for all students.VIEW 2 PHOTOSzoom
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The Oka crisis is among the many important events in 20th century history that Ontario teachers say they have difficulty cramming into the one-year Canadian history course, which is mandatory for all students.

By: Louise Brown GTA, Published on Sat Jan 23 2016

Ontario stands at the top of the class for its strong Canadian history curriculum in the latest ratings by this country’s history education watchdog — and we trounced Alberta, whose fuzzy timelines and lack of compulsory high school history credit landed it dead last.
Ontario’s rich Grade 10 history credit course — so jam-packed the report suggests it be spread over two years — plus its mandatory half-course in citizenship helped earn it a mark of 82 per cent on the Canadian History Report Card, to be released Monday by Historica Canada, a group that promotes awareness of Canadian history.
Also strong were British Columbia (81 per cent), Quebec (80) and Manitoba (80). However Alberta scored just 62 per cent, and Saskatchewan 69 per cent, in a report that calls for schools to work harder to help students understand their country.

“We tend to be lacking at either the front end — recent history — or the back end before 1867, but we’re getting better, which is important because understanding history helps you understand why we are the way we are,” said Historica president Anthony Wilson-Smith.
If anything, Ontario’s Grade 10 history course tries to cover too much, he said; “from the early 1900s to now — both world wars, the great influenza epidemic, the injustices done to immigrants like the Chinese who didn’t get the vote till 1947… let’s think of that scope! It would be better spread over two years.”

Canadian schools have pulled up their educational socks since 2009, when Historica’s last report card handed out failing grades to five provinces and territories, with two more squeaking by with only 50s.

This report card looked at history curriculum from Grades 4 to 12 to see how well it balances the teaching of timelines with deeper themes like diversity, gender, aboriginal peoples and national identity — and from a range of perspectives, from global to local, social to national.

It also measures how well each province teaches students to think about history using the six “historical thinking concepts” that have to do with historical significance, considering evidence, examining continuity and change, cause and consequence, looking at broader historical perspectives and the ethical dimension.

Wilson-Smith said Canadian schools are moving beyond the perspective of European settlers to include First Nations, women and non-European immigrants’ perspectives, and consider more than just military and economic milestones by discussing ethics and social responsibility.