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Re: How much more before people realise it's all a scam...

#4841  Postby Shrunk » Dec 01, 2015 2:09 pm

Animavore wrote:Oh and the "no more research is needed" line you tacked on is just a pure lie. Research is ongoing. NASA just launched a climate research satellite in space. Why should we find you credible after such a bare-faced lie?


Ah, there you go. You fell for his little trap. If the science was really settled on this, then why are they still doing more research? Huh? Checkmate, atheists!
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Re: How much more before people realise it's all a scam...

#4842  Postby mrjonno » Dec 01, 2015 2:12 pm

Poorer people are required for capitalism but they still need to have enough money to be customers.
A billion people in Africa could vanish of the face of the Earth and I doubt if the world economy would be hurt that much, in fact when the West rushes in to take over the resources GDP would rapidly recover very fast.

When I'm refering to the rich anyway I mean 99% of everyone who lives in the first world
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Re: How much more before people realise it's all a scam...

#4843  Postby chairman bill » Dec 01, 2015 3:00 pm

I still just agree. It's like hollow-earthers, alien abductees, NWO & lizard-alien overlords. I just nod sadly. It's less violent & messy than nuking from orbit.
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Re: How much more before people realise it's all a scam...

#4844  Postby Alan B » Dec 01, 2015 3:28 pm

And the elephant in the room is?

Anyone?
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Re: How much more before people realise it's all a scam...

#4845  Postby laklak » Dec 01, 2015 3:31 pm

Donald Trump?

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Re: How much more before people realise it's all a scam...

#4846  Postby Macdoc » Dec 01, 2015 3:49 pm

You could at least get the species correct :D is rhino Donald I do beleive

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as for JBs rant..... the world has moved on and even his own right wing gov is tired of Abbott's denial and tossed him ....as we did with our dinosaur. His coal train party is slowly drawing to a close....hope there is enough left for his pension ...lucky he's in Aus.

There is plenty of policy to discuss in how best to mitigate and cope and who should pay for what......saying there has been no global warming for 18 years is hilariously brain dead as well as factually incorrect. Flat earth anyone?? :coffee:

and yes please move to the denial thread .....aa that's all it is.
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Re: How much more before people realise it's all a scam...

#4847  Postby crank » Dec 01, 2015 4:15 pm

I am in complete agreement with the title of this thread. When will people wake up and realize most of the global 'effort' on climate change is a scam. The 2 degree rise that was the limit beyond which all hell would break loose is history, the pledges getting discussed in Paris have us heading for near 3 degree rise, maybe higher, and that's for pledges. In a decade, how close to being on track for today's pledges do you think we'll be?
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Re: How much more before people realise it's all a scam...

#4848  Postby RDW » Dec 01, 2015 5:59 pm

johnbrandt wrote:I find it extremely interesting that no one is answering the very simple questions I am asking.

Since you already have all the answers, isn't our participation somewhat superfluous?
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Re: How much more before people realise it's all a scam...

#4849  Postby Acetone » Dec 01, 2015 6:42 pm

How dense do you have to be to continue believing something even after the 'founders' of that belief come out and say it's all built upon highly funded fraud and misinformation???

It'd be like me making a medicine which I absolutely know does nothing, yet claim it cures cancer... and then 10 years later come out and say 'ahhhh got youuuuu! Did nothing this whole time' and people STILL ARGUE IT DOES INDEED CURE CANCER. LOL!!
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Re: How much more before people realise it's all a scam...

#4850  Postby Macdoc » Dec 01, 2015 6:47 pm

I wonder who the silly sod was that "liked" the OP. :crazy:
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Re: How much more before people realise it's all a scam...

#4851  Postby Evolving » Dec 01, 2015 7:17 pm

johnbrandt wrote:
Oh...and another keynote speaker at the Paris wank-fest?
This charming chap...Robert Mugabe...
http://www.newsdzezimbabwe.co.uk/2015/11/mugabe-on-attack-in-paris.html
Really, global warmists? This is one of your spokesmen? You want this man telling us in the west how evil we are...? :what:


How do you work out from that link that Robert Mugabe is a "keynote speaker" at the Paris summit?
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Re: Climate Change Denial

#4852  Postby Macdoc » Dec 01, 2015 7:22 pm

anything that feed his woo is fair game.....he just never looks to closely at his fellow travellers

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Lord Christopher Monckton, the British hereditary peer who believes climate scientists are part of a plot to introduce a socialist world government.


the train driver and the peer....how quaint
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Re: Climate Change Denial

#4853  Postby The_Metatron » Dec 01, 2015 7:35 pm

What's with the bug eyes?
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Re: Climate Change Denial

#4854  Postby Sendraks » Dec 01, 2015 7:37 pm

The_Metatron wrote:What's with the bug eyes?


What do you mean? He looks perfectly normal, just like any resident of Innsmouth.

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Re: Climate Change Denial

#4855  Postby RDW » Dec 01, 2015 8:23 pm

Monckton apparently has Graves' disease, which would make cheap remarks about his appearance completely inappropriate. Cheap remarks about his crazy ideas are, however, completely on topic.
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Re: Climate Change Denial

#4856  Postby Macdoc » Dec 01, 2015 9:50 pm

That's true ....but physical characteristics of a public figure are fair game for satire...

case in point "Barry"

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and Trumps hair tho that is somewhat self inflicted.

Combine the odd look with the whacko mind set and you've got laugh track written large.
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Re: Climate Change Denial

#4857  Postby johnbrandt » Dec 01, 2015 10:14 pm

http://www.abc.net.au/environment/articles/2015/04/08/4209225.htm
"IT IS FRUSTRATING," says climate scientist Michael Mann from his office at Penn State University in the United States.

"There certainly has not been a hiatus in global warming — global warming hasn't stopped, even though you still hear those contrarian talking points," he says.

Professor Mann, the director of the university's Earth System Science Centre, is famous for his 'hockey stick' graph that reconstructed 1,000 years of global temperatures showing a dramatic spike towards the end of the 20th century.

The 'pause', also known as the 'slow down' or the 'hiatus', refers to the average rate of warming across the whole planet's surface in the last 15 years or so. The latest major report (pdf) from the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change said the rate of warming between 1998 and 2012 had been about 0.05°C per decade.

This rate, the report said, was "smaller than the rate calculated since 1951" which was 0.12°C per decade.

"The occurrence of the hiatus in global mean surface temperature trend during the past 15 years raises the two related questions of what has caused it and whether climate models are able to reproduce it," the report said (pdf).

This was proof enough for some commentators that computer models of the climate were wrong and that the risks of global warming may have been overblown.

Businessman and former ABC chairman Maurice Newman, the Prime Minister's top business advisor, has written that "temperatures have gone nowhere for 18 years".

Dr Scott Power, senior principal research scientist at the Bureau of Meteorology, was an author of the IPCC report.

"If you look at just these 15-year periods of globally averaged surface air temperature, then they fluctuate quite a bit," he says.

"We expect these fluctuations. What we know is happening is that the planet is warming in response to human increase in greenhouse gases very largely but there are fluctuations because of natural processes."

...cont'd...


You know I agree totally with that headline...it certainly isn't good news.

I mean if the "pause" continues, how will they convince people that dumping a hundred billion dollars (indexed to rise) yearly into some "fund" is going to "save the world"...? How will the convince the public that pouring billions of their dollars into paying for natural disasters in another country as some sort of penalty for "causing" global warming with our modern lifestyles?
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Re: Climate Change Denial

#4858  Postby Fallible » Dec 01, 2015 10:17 pm

What?
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Re: Climate Change Denial

#4859  Postby Sendraks » Dec 01, 2015 10:26 pm

Indeed.
What?
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Re: Climate Change Denial

#4860  Postby Animavore » Dec 01, 2015 10:32 pm

What? What?
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