Rumraket wrote:
Therefore, let's work on B for the time being. It actually makes perfect sense.
No problem.
Examine the evidence for B.
If A is irrelevant to the argument, why bring it up?
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Rumraket wrote:
Therefore, let's work on B for the time being. It actually makes perfect sense.
Rumraket wrote:rainbow wrote:In principle you're correct.
It is however a very weak argument to claim that an alternative has less going for it.
Of the form:
There is no evidence for A, therefore B.
Yes, it would be wrong to do this. But noone is.
What IS actually happening is this:
There is no evidence for [A].
There is evidence for [B], but parts are missing.
There is no evidence for [Not B].
Therefore, let's work on B for the time being. It actually makes perfect sense.
rainbow wrote:Rumraket wrote:
Therefore, let's work on B for the time being. It actually makes perfect sense.
No problem.
Examine the evidence for B.
If A is irrelevant to the argument, why bring it up?
Rumraket wrote:What do you actually believe?
Rumraket wrote:rainbow wrote:In principle you're correct.
It is however a very weak argument to claim that an alternative has less going for it.
Of the form:
There is no evidence for A, therefore B.
Yes, it would be wrong to do this. But noone is.
What IS actually happening is this:
There is no evidence for [A].
There is evidence for [B], but parts are missing.
There is no evidence for [Not B].
Therefore, let's work on B for the time being. It actually makes perfect sense.
rainbow wrote:
No problem.
Examine the evidence for B.
If A is irrelevant to the argument, why bring it up?
Just A Theory wrote:
Again:
There is evidence that demonstrates that abiogenesis is possible but the evidence is not yet conclusive.
There is no evidence that demonstrates that abiogenesis is not possible. Of course, this lack of evidence is not yet conclusive.
rainbow wrote:Just A Theory wrote:
Again:
There is evidence that demonstrates that abiogenesis is possible but the evidence is not yet conclusive.
There is no evidence that demonstrates that abiogenesis is not possible. Of course, this lack of evidence is not yet conclusive.
I've no problem with either of these statements. However a statement about the possibility of an event, doesn't actually show that it did occur in that way.
We have in fact a number of possible paths whereby abiogenesis on Earth could've occcurred.
...so we have evidence that life may have arisen as a result of a 'Protein First' mechanism. Yet it seems as if most researchers into Abiogenesis reject this hypothesis.
There is no evidence that demonstrates that abiogenesis on the moon is not possible. It is however generally accepted that there is no life as we know it on the moon. One might say (dare I say it?) that it would be considered 'Possible', but 'Improbable'. Not so?
Newmark wrote:
And it is possible, but improbable, to roll six successive sixes on a D6. What exactly is your point?
rainbow wrote:Newmark wrote:
And it is possible, but improbable, to roll six successive sixes on a D6. What exactly is your point?
Exactly that having evidence that something is possible doesn't mean that it's probable. I thought you understood this. Were my examples not clear enough?
Newmark wrote:
What I was wondering was what impact your point and examples had on the discussion. Please be specific.
rainbow wrote:Newmark wrote:
What I was wondering was what impact your point and examples had on the discussion. Please be specific.
If you want specific answers, you'll have to ask specific questions.
OK?
Just A Theory wrote:There is evidence that demonstrates that abiogenesis is possible but the evidence is not yet conclusive.
There is no evidence that demonstrates that abiogenesis is not possible. Of course, this lack of evidence is not yet conclusive.
Absent any other hypothesis for the origin of life, pursuing the first line of thought would seem to be the one most likely to lead to some form of resolution to the origin of life question.
Newmark wrote:rainbow wrote:Newmark wrote:
What I was wondering was what impact your point and examples had on the discussion. Please be specific.
If you want specific answers, you'll have to ask specific questions.
OK?
Ok. How does "having evidence that something is possible doesn't mean that it's probable" impact onJust A Theory wrote:There is evidence that demonstrates that abiogenesis is possible but the evidence is not yet conclusive.
There is no evidence that demonstrates that abiogenesis is not possible. Of course, this lack of evidence is not yet conclusive.
Absent any other hypothesis for the origin of life, pursuing the first line of thought would seem to be the one most likely to lead to some form of resolution to the origin of life question.
in this specific case?
Please note the third line here, which was somehow omitted when you quoted Just A Theory.
rainbow wrote:Newmark wrote:rainbow wrote:Newmark wrote:
What I was wondering was what impact your point and examples had on the discussion. Please be specific.
If you want specific answers, you'll have to ask specific questions.
OK?
Ok. How does "having evidence that something is possible doesn't mean that it's probable" impact onJust A Theory wrote:There is evidence that demonstrates that abiogenesis is possible but the evidence is not yet conclusive.
There is no evidence that demonstrates that abiogenesis is not possible. Of course, this lack of evidence is not yet conclusive.
Absent any other hypothesis for the origin of life, pursuing the first line of thought would seem to be the one most likely to lead to some form of resolution to the origin of life question.
in this specific case?
It answers the points Just a Theory made.
Please stop asking vague questions.
If you can't be specific, I'll choose to ignore you.Please note the third line here, which was somehow omitted when you quoted Just A Theory.
Noted. Do you have a point you wish to make?
Newmark wrote:
Alright. We've got:
1) There is evidence that demonstrates that abiogenesis is possible but the evidence is not yet conclusive.
2) There is no evidence that demonstrates that abiogenesis is not possible. Of course, this lack of evidence is not yet conclusive.
3) Having evidence that something is possible doesn't mean that it's probable.
4) Absent any other hypothesis for the origin of life, pursuing the first line of thought (point 1) would seem to be the one most likely to lead to some form of resolution to the origin of life question.
Why is point 3 relevant to the conclusion in point 4?
hackenslash wrote:It's fairly clear English. He's saying that, until there is a robust competing hypothesis, it seems reasonable to pursue the hypothesis that has actually provided some evidence, as that is more likely to provide some answers.
rainbow wrote:Newmark wrote:
Alright. We've got:
1) There is evidence that demonstrates that abiogenesis is possible but the evidence is not yet conclusive.
2) There is no evidence that demonstrates that abiogenesis is not possible. Of course, this lack of evidence is not yet conclusive.
3) Having evidence that something is possible doesn't mean that it's probable.
4) Absent any other hypothesis for the origin of life, pursuing the first line of thought (point 1) would seem to be the one most likely to lead to some form of resolution to the origin of life question.
Why is point 3 relevant to the conclusion in point 4?
...since I've no idea what you're talking about in point 4, I'm afraid I can't answer. As I assume English isn't your first language, could you perhaps rephrase that in clear terms?
Newmark wrote: Now, isn't it time for you to go home, since you obviously don't understand the posts you reply to?
rainbow wrote:Newmark wrote: Now, isn't it time for you to go home, since you obviously don't understand the posts you reply to?
I certainly don't understand what point you're trying to make, since it's all been covered.
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