Earth's magnetic field causes heart problems and suicides

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Earth's magnetic field causes heart problems and suicides

#1  Postby thecosmicqueen » Dec 19, 2023 12:11 am

All of a sudden, out of nowhere, within the past three years, there have been a myriad of studies all saying that fluctuations in Earth's magnetic field causes heart attacks and other heart problems, due to Earth's magnetic field disrupting the heart's electrical activity. Pretty much every serious health problem you can think of has been correlated with geomagnetic storms.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 2420300080

https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/JAHA.120.021006

https://biomedscis.com/fulltext/the-eff ... 000203.php

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn ... -suicides/

https://www.newscientist.com/article/23 ... iven-year/

This list of links is very non-exhaustive.

I've even seen studies linking fluctuations in Earth's magnetic field (geomagnetic storms) with the incidence of seizures, schizophrenia, and even Alzheimer's. Though some studies don't suggest a mechanism other than "magnetic activity", the ones that do always mention "Schumann Resonances" and how Earth's magnetic field disrupts the "Pineal gland" or "liquid crystals" that are inside every cell, and when Earth's magnetic field fluctuates during a geomagnetic storm, the properties of these crystals are changed, leading to disease. There are occasionally mentions of solar storms altering the frequency of these "Schumann resonances", which then affects human brainwaves and autonomic systems, including the heart.

This is reportedly an emerging field of biology, known as "heliobiology".

So, what about MRI machines? The magnetic field of an MRI machine is a whopping 100,000 times stronger than Earth's, and the fluctuations are much more violent. By comparison, the fluctuations of Earth's magnetic field during even the most severe geomagnetic storms are measured on the order of a few hundred nanoteslas per minute and don't even affect pacemakers.
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#2  Postby The_Metatron » Dec 19, 2023 12:58 pm

Sounds just like my tiger repellent stones. My driveway is full of them! And, there has never been a tiger here. Ever. Perfect correlation.
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#3  Postby thecosmicqueen » Dec 19, 2023 6:27 pm

I re-read the journal of the American Heart Association paper ( https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/JAHA.120.021006 ) and found something.

It claims "solar activity can impact autonomic nervous system activities," and to back this up, cites Mattoni, M., Ahn, S., Fröhlich, C. et al. (2020). However, that paper only had 20 volunteers, and says this in its results: "[T]he only significant results were an increase in very low frequency during higher local geomagnetic activity and a geomagnetic anticipatory decrease in heart rate a day before the higher global geomagnetic activity. Both correlations were very low. The loss of most significant effects after this correction suggests that previous findings may be a result of autocorrelation."

The "anticipatory decrease" is especially troubling, suggesting the human heart can predict geomagnetic disturbances and reacts before they occur. :ask:

At the same time, the source is credible and I'm not well-versed in physics enough to deduce whether or not this is legit science or a pseudoscience.
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#4  Postby thecosmicqueen » Dec 19, 2023 8:38 pm

This recent news story, published 2 hours ago popped up on my MSN https://www.msn.com/en-gb/weather/topst ... e6f6&ei=10

"According to experts, a strong magnetic storm with a K-index of 6 (red level) is expected on December 19, maintaining its strength for several days. Additionally, a gradual decrease in the intensity of the magnetic storm is forecasted from December 21-23.

The red level corresponds to a severe magnetic storm capable of affecting people's well-being. Magnetic storms can cause headaches, fatigue, insomnia, irritability, general discomfort, exacerbation of chronic illnesses, and even negatively impact a healthy individual.

During such days, it is advisable to be extra cautious when driving, pay close attention to your well-being, and if possible, postpone long trips, important meetings, and negotiations.

To minimize the negative impact of increased solar activity, adhere to simple rules:

Spend more time outdoors during magnetic storm days, except the midday time (12-4 PM), when it's better to avoid direct sunlight. Include more water, fresh fruits, vegetables, and berries in your diet. Avoid elevated physical and mental stress and overexertion. Refrain from alcohol, fatty, spicy, and salty foods on these days. Instead, opt for light dishes, such as vegetables and poultry."


The past week I keep seeing new news articles posted every day about solar flares/geomagnetic storms, and most of the ones I've seen on my MSN news feed go on about how magnetic storms are causing all these health effects. I've never heard about magnetic storms causing health effects until a few days ago and I've read about solar storms a lot in the past.
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#5  Postby thecosmicqueen » Dec 19, 2023 9:55 pm

Some more studies:

They're trying to link geomagnetic storms/fluctuations in Earth's magnetic field to the development of schizophrenia and Alzheimer's https://biomedscis.com/fulltext/the-eff ... 000203.php

https://blogs.biomedcentral.com/on-heal ... on-health/

''Our results may be explained through the direct impact of environmental electric and magnetic fields produced during GMD on the human autonomic nervous system. Interactions between GMD and the autonomic nervous system are likely to induce a cascade of reactions in the body's electrophysiology that culminate in the collapse of organ functions and death.''

https://aepi.biomedcentral.com/articles ... 20-00019-9 Earth's magnetic field allegedly causes seizures too.

Wikipedia includes a short section about geomagnetic storms and health, which mentions something about "pineal gland". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geomagnetic_storm

I'm not sure what "Schumann resonances" are, but a lot of the studies I've read on this topic mention them.
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Why do MRI scanners prove these studies are bullshit?

#6  Postby thecosmicqueen » Dec 20, 2023 10:53 pm

During geomagnetic disturbances caused by solar storms, Earth's magnetic field fluctuates. These fluctuations are measured in nanotesla (nT). For mild storms, these can be a few tens of nanoteslas per minute (nT/min). In the most severe recorded storms, up to ~700 nT/min. No less than a few years ago, it was said that solar storms can affect electronics but not people's health. Now they've done a complete 180 and are linking geomagnetic disturbances to pretty much every health problem you can imagine. You could say correlation doesn't equal causation, but these studies are done by different authors, in different countries, by different research organizations and they're all finding the same correlation again and again.

These kinds of studies are not blaming cosmic radiation on the health effects. They are specifically blaming Earth's magnetism, and specifically the fluctuations in the Earth's magnetic field which are measured in the nanotesla range. The studies are finding that when Earth's magnetic field is not fluctuating, it isn't causing health effects, but when it is fluctuating, it is causing health effects.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 2420300080

https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/JAHA.120.021006

https://biomedscis.com/fulltext/the-eff ... 000203.php

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn ... -suicides/

https://www.newscientist.com/article/23 ... iven-year/

https://aepi.biomedcentral.com/articles ... 20-00019-9

https://blogs.biomedcentral.com/on-heal ... on-health/

''Our results may be explained through the direct impact of environmental electric and magnetic fields produced during GMD on the human autonomic nervous system. Interactions between GMD and the autonomic nervous system are likely to induce a cascade of reactions in the body's electrophysiology that culminate in the collapse of organ functions and death.''

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 2420300080

https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2014c ... /abstract#

I've seen a lot of people bringing up MRI scanners in response to these studies, and they said the existence of MRI scanners proves that these studies are all bullshit. I'm not really well versed in physics, so, how?
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#7  Postby The_Metatron » Dec 20, 2023 11:26 pm


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Don’t create multiple threads on the same topic throughout the forum.

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Re: Why do MRI scanners prove these studies are bullshit?

#8  Postby The_Metatron » Dec 21, 2023 12:11 am

thecosmicqueen wrote:
[Reveal] Spoiler: repetitive claims
During geomagnetic disturbances caused by solar storms, Earth's magnetic field fluctuates. These fluctuations are measured in nanotesla (nT). For mild storms, these can be a few tens of nanoteslas per minute (nT/min). In the most severe recorded storms, up to ~700 nT/min. No less than a few years ago, it was said that solar storms can affect electronics but not people's health. Now they've done a complete 180 and are linking geomagnetic disturbances to pretty much every health problem you can imagine. You could say correlation doesn't equal causation, but these studies are done by different authors, in different countries, by different research organizations and they're all finding the same correlation again and again.

These kinds of studies are not blaming cosmic radiation on the health effects. They are specifically blaming Earth's magnetism, and specifically the fluctuations in the Earth's magnetic field which are measured in the nanotesla range. The studies are finding that when Earth's magnetic field is not fluctuating, it isn't causing health effects, but when it is fluctuating, it is causing health effects.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 2420300080

https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/JAHA.120.021006

https://biomedscis.com/fulltext/the-eff ... 000203.php

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn ... -suicides/

https://www.newscientist.com/article/23 ... iven-year/

https://aepi.biomedcentral.com/articles ... 20-00019-9

https://blogs.biomedcentral.com/on-heal ... on-health/

''Our results may be explained through the direct impact of environmental electric and magnetic fields produced during GMD on the human autonomic nervous system. Interactions between GMD and the autonomic nervous system are likely to induce a cascade of reactions in the body's electrophysiology that culminate in the collapse of organ functions and death.''

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 2420300080

https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2014c ... /abstract#


I've seen a lot of people bringing up MRI scanners in response to these studies, and they said the existence of MRI scanners proves that these studies are all bullshit. I'm not really well versed in physics, so, how?

Why are you asking us a question you answered in your first post?

thecosmicqueen wrote:
[Reveal] Spoiler: your original claims
All of a sudden, out of nowhere, within the past three years, there have been a myriad of studies all saying that fluctuations in Earth's magnetic field causes heart attacks and other heart problems, due to Earth's magnetic field disrupting the heart's electrical activity. Pretty much every serious health problem you can think of has been correlated with geomagnetic storms.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 2420300080

https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/JAHA.120.021006

https://biomedscis.com/fulltext/the-eff ... 000203.php

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn ... -suicides/

https://www.newscientist.com/article/23 ... iven-year/

This list of links is very non-exhaustive.

I've even seen studies linking fluctuations in Earth's magnetic field (geomagnetic storms) with the incidence of seizures, schizophrenia, and even Alzheimer's. Though some studies don't suggest a mechanism other than "magnetic activity", the ones that do always mention "Schumann Resonances" and how Earth's magnetic field disrupts the "Pineal gland" or "liquid crystals" that are inside every cell, and when Earth's magnetic field fluctuates during a geomagnetic storm, the properties of these crystals are changed, leading to disease. There are occasionally mentions of solar storms altering the frequency of these "Schumann resonances", which then affects human brainwaves and autonomic systems, including the heart.

This is reportedly an emerging field of biology, known as "heliobiology".


So, what about MRI machines? The magnetic field of an MRI machine is a whopping 100,000 times stronger than Earth's, and the fluctuations are much more violent. By comparison, the fluctuations of Earth's magnetic field during even the most severe geomagnetic storms are measured on the order of a few hundred nanoteslas per minute and don't even affect pacemakers.
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#9  Postby thecosmicqueen » Dec 21, 2023 3:45 am

The_Metatron wrote:
thecosmicqueen wrote:
[Reveal] Spoiler: repetitive claims
During geomagnetic disturbances caused by solar storms, Earth's magnetic field fluctuates. These fluctuations are measured in nanotesla (nT). For mild storms, these can be a few tens of nanoteslas per minute (nT/min). In the most severe recorded storms, up to ~700 nT/min. No less than a few years ago, it was said that solar storms can affect electronics but not people's health. Now they've done a complete 180 and are linking geomagnetic disturbances to pretty much every health problem you can imagine. You could say correlation doesn't equal causation, but these studies are done by different authors, in different countries, by different research organizations and they're all finding the same correlation again and again.

These kinds of studies are not blaming cosmic radiation on the health effects. They are specifically blaming Earth's magnetism, and specifically the fluctuations in the Earth's magnetic field which are measured in the nanotesla range. The studies are finding that when Earth's magnetic field is not fluctuating, it isn't causing health effects, but when it is fluctuating, it is causing health effects.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 2420300080

https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/JAHA.120.021006

https://biomedscis.com/fulltext/the-eff ... 000203.php

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn ... -suicides/

https://www.newscientist.com/article/23 ... iven-year/

https://aepi.biomedcentral.com/articles ... 20-00019-9

https://blogs.biomedcentral.com/on-heal ... on-health/

''Our results may be explained through the direct impact of environmental electric and magnetic fields produced during GMD on the human autonomic nervous system. Interactions between GMD and the autonomic nervous system are likely to induce a cascade of reactions in the body's electrophysiology that culminate in the collapse of organ functions and death.''

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 2420300080

https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2014c ... /abstract#


I've seen a lot of people bringing up MRI scanners in response to these studies, and they said the existence of MRI scanners proves that these studies are all bullshit. I'm not really well versed in physics, so, how?

Why are you asking us a question you answered in your first post?

thecosmicqueen wrote:
[Reveal] Spoiler: your original claims
All of a sudden, out of nowhere, within the past three years, there have been a myriad of studies all saying that fluctuations in Earth's magnetic field causes heart attacks and other heart problems, due to Earth's magnetic field disrupting the heart's electrical activity. Pretty much every serious health problem you can think of has been correlated with geomagnetic storms.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 2420300080

https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/JAHA.120.021006

https://biomedscis.com/fulltext/the-eff ... 000203.php

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn ... -suicides/

https://www.newscientist.com/article/23 ... iven-year/

This list of links is very non-exhaustive.

I've even seen studies linking fluctuations in Earth's magnetic field (geomagnetic storms) with the incidence of seizures, schizophrenia, and even Alzheimer's. Though some studies don't suggest a mechanism other than "magnetic activity", the ones that do always mention "Schumann Resonances" and how Earth's magnetic field disrupts the "Pineal gland" or "liquid crystals" that are inside every cell, and when Earth's magnetic field fluctuates during a geomagnetic storm, the properties of these crystals are changed, leading to disease. There are occasionally mentions of solar storms altering the frequency of these "Schumann resonances", which then affects human brainwaves and autonomic systems, including the heart.

This is reportedly an emerging field of biology, known as "heliobiology".


So, what about MRI machines? The magnetic field of an MRI machine is a whopping 100,000 times stronger than Earth's, and the fluctuations are much more violent. By comparison, the fluctuations of Earth's magnetic field during even the most severe geomagnetic storms are measured on the order of a few hundred nanoteslas per minute and don't even affect pacemakers.


If fluctuations of 50 to 500 nT/min in Earth's magnetic field are so bad for us, how does anyone survive an MRI scan when the fluctuations are up to 40,000,000 nanoteslas per minute?
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#10  Postby Fenrir » Dec 21, 2023 5:30 am

So what ur saying is that while i have never seen anyone suffer "the collapse of organ functions and death" after interacting with a fridge magnet i should nevertheless eat more fruit just in case.

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#11  Postby tuco » Dec 21, 2023 6:40 am

If I understand it correctly, your question (or perhaps concern) thecosmicqueen is something like:

If solar activity influences health, how come MRI does not?

That's a good question, I suppose.

Now,

All of a sudden, out of nowhere, within the past three years, there have been a myriad of studies all saying that fluctuations in Earth's magnetic field causes heart attacks and other heart problems, due to Earth's magnetic field disrupting the heart's electrical activity. Pretty much every serious health problem you can think of has been correlated with geomagnetic storms.


my question is something like:

Why is the same not happening for MRI safety studies?
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Re: Why do MRI scanners prove these studies are bullshit?

#12  Postby The_Metatron » Dec 21, 2023 11:47 am

thecosmicqueen wrote:
The_Metatron wrote:
thecosmicqueen wrote:
[Reveal] Spoiler: repetitive claims
During geomagnetic disturbances caused by solar storms, Earth's magnetic field fluctuates. These fluctuations are measured in nanotesla (nT). For mild storms, these can be a few tens of nanoteslas per minute (nT/min). In the most severe recorded storms, up to ~700 nT/min. No less than a few years ago, it was said that solar storms can affect electronics but not people's health. Now they've done a complete 180 and are linking geomagnetic disturbances to pretty much every health problem you can imagine. You could say correlation doesn't equal causation, but these studies are done by different authors, in different countries, by different research organizations and they're all finding the same correlation again and again.

These kinds of studies are not blaming cosmic radiation on the health effects. They are specifically blaming Earth's magnetism, and specifically the fluctuations in the Earth's magnetic field which are measured in the nanotesla range. The studies are finding that when Earth's magnetic field is not fluctuating, it isn't causing health effects, but when it is fluctuating, it is causing health effects.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 2420300080

https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/JAHA.120.021006

https://biomedscis.com/fulltext/the-eff ... 000203.php

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn ... -suicides/

https://www.newscientist.com/article/23 ... iven-year/

https://aepi.biomedcentral.com/articles ... 20-00019-9

https://blogs.biomedcentral.com/on-heal ... on-health/

''Our results may be explained through the direct impact of environmental electric and magnetic fields produced during GMD on the human autonomic nervous system. Interactions between GMD and the autonomic nervous system are likely to induce a cascade of reactions in the body's electrophysiology that culminate in the collapse of organ functions and death.''

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 2420300080

https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2014c ... /abstract#


I've seen a lot of people bringing up MRI scanners in response to these studies, and they said the existence of MRI scanners proves that these studies are all bullshit. I'm not really well versed in physics, so, how?

Why are you asking us a question you answered in your first post?

thecosmicqueen wrote:
[Reveal] Spoiler: your original claims
All of a sudden, out of nowhere, within the past three years, there have been a myriad of studies all saying that fluctuations in Earth's magnetic field causes heart attacks and other heart problems, due to Earth's magnetic field disrupting the heart's electrical activity. Pretty much every serious health problem you can think of has been correlated with geomagnetic storms.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 2420300080

https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/JAHA.120.021006

https://biomedscis.com/fulltext/the-eff ... 000203.php

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn ... -suicides/

https://www.newscientist.com/article/23 ... iven-year/

This list of links is very non-exhaustive.

I've even seen studies linking fluctuations in Earth's magnetic field (geomagnetic storms) with the incidence of seizures, schizophrenia, and even Alzheimer's. Though some studies don't suggest a mechanism other than "magnetic activity", the ones that do always mention "Schumann Resonances" and how Earth's magnetic field disrupts the "Pineal gland" or "liquid crystals" that are inside every cell, and when Earth's magnetic field fluctuates during a geomagnetic storm, the properties of these crystals are changed, leading to disease. There are occasionally mentions of solar storms altering the frequency of these "Schumann resonances", which then affects human brainwaves and autonomic systems, including the heart.

This is reportedly an emerging field of biology, known as "heliobiology".


So, what about MRI machines? The magnetic field of an MRI machine is a whopping 100,000 times stronger than Earth's, and the fluctuations are much more violent. By comparison, the fluctuations of Earth's magnetic field during even the most severe geomagnetic storms are measured on the order of a few hundred nanoteslas per minute and don't even affect pacemakers.


If fluctuations of 50 to 500 nT/min in Earth's magnetic field are so bad for us, how does anyone survive an MRI scan when the fluctuations are up to 40,000,000 nanoteslas per minute?

And clearly, people survive MRI scans without injury. All of them. Edit: Except for the stupid ones who get shot by their own guns during the MRI scan when the magnetic field triggers the gun.

So, what can you conclude from that? Do you start to get the idea that we are, in fact, unaffected by magnetic fields? Maybe because we aren’t made of magnetic stuff?

Waddya think? You already have the evidence. Connect the dots.
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