ispoketoanangel wrote:Being vulgar, and asserting the same thing over and over again, doesn't make you right.

You should calm down, read a modal logic book, and come back.

Tbickle wrote:
Wrong! Having a choice means that I have the ability to decide between at least two options

hackenslash wrote:

ispoketoanangel wrote:Being vulgar, and asserting the same thing over and over again, doesn't make you right.

Aww, diddums! Did the nasty man swear at you? Go tell somebody who gives a flying fuck.

You should calm down, read a modal logic book, and come back.

I'm perfectly calm, thank you, and reading a modal logic book (which I have done, by the way) will not change the fact that the accusation of the modal error overlooks the impossibility of this entity being wrong. Perfect future knowledge equals determinism.

You are still fucking failing.

DaveD wrote:

ispoketoanangel wrote:
Being vulgar, and asserting the same thing over and over again, doesn't make you right.

Don't expect us to take lessons in manners from someone whose original username here was AtheistsAreVermin, and whose debut was this starting this thread:
nontheism/why-do-the-verminous-and-wicked-atheists-t6428.html#p184006

ispoketoanangel wrote:

Tbickle wrote:
Wrong! Having a choice means that I have the ability to decide between at least two options

You do. You can choose to go to whatever restaurant you want to go. What's stopping you to go to the restaurant of your choice?

DaveD wrote:

ispoketoanangel wrote:
Being vulgar, and asserting the same thing over and over again, doesn't make you right.

Don't expect us to take lessons in manners from someone whose original username here was AtheistsAreVermin, and whose debut was this starting this thread:
nontheism/why-do-the-verminous-and-wicked-atheists-t6428.html#p184006

Tbickle wrote:

ispoketoanangel wrote:

Tbickle wrote:
Wrong! Having a choice means that I have the ability to decide between at least two options

You do. You can choose to go to whatever restaurant you want to go. What's stopping you to go to the restaurant of your choice?

There is nothing stopping me from going to the restaurant of my choice. The problem is that my "choice" consists of only one option.

ispoketoanangel wrote:

Tbickle wrote:

ispoketoanangel wrote:

Tbickle wrote:
Wrong! Having a choice means that I have the ability to decide between at least two options

You do. You can choose to go to whatever restaurant you want to go. What's stopping you to go to the restaurant of your choice?

There is nothing stopping me from going to the restaurant of my choice. The problem is that my "choice" consists of only one option.

There's only 1 restaurant in your city?

ispoketoanangel wrote:

hackenslash wrote:

ispoketoanangel wrote:Being vulgar, and asserting the same thing over and over again, doesn't make you right.

Aww, diddums! Did the nasty man swear at you? Go tell somebody who gives a flying fuck.

You should calm down, read a modal logic book, and come back.

I'm perfectly calm, thank you, and reading a modal logic book (which I have done, by the way) will not change the fact that the accusation of the modal error overlooks the impossibility of this entity being wrong. Perfect future knowledge equals determinism.

You are still fucking failing.

More vulgarities. When God is out of the picture, all is left is anger and bitterness. I know, I've been there.

ispoketoanangel wrote:

Tbickle wrote:
There is nothing stopping me from going to the restaurant of my choice. The problem is that my "choice" consists of only one option.

There's only 1 restaurant in your city?

ispoketoanangel wrote:More vulgarities. When God is out of the picture, all is left is anger and bitterness. I know, I've been there.

Tbickle wrote:

ispoketoanangel wrote:

Tbickle wrote:

ispoketoanangel wrote:

Tbickle wrote:
Wrong! Having a choice means that I have the ability to decide between at least two options

You do. You can choose to go to whatever restaurant you want to go. What's stopping you to go to the restaurant of your choice?

There is nothing stopping me from going to the restaurant of my choice. The problem is that my "choice" consists of only one option.

There's only 1 restaurant in your city?

I will go to a restaurant.
I will not go to more than one restaurant.
God knows which one I will go to.
God cannot be wrong.
I cannot go to a restaurant other than the one that God already knows I will go to.
My set of possible restaurants I can go to consists of one option.

hackenslash wrote:

ispoketoanangel wrote:More vulgarities. When God is out of the picture, all is left is anger and bitterness. I know, I've been there.

Well, apart from the fact that I'm not angry, this is precisely the treatment you can expect after signing up with the username you did, and it's the only treatment you're going to receive from me during your tenure here (which I'm hoping will be spectacularly brief). I have no intention of letting that slide, thank you.

And don't think you've fucking been where I am, or have any idea where I'm coming from. I've experienced real fucking life, not a fantasy like yours. You know nothing, and you certainly don't know logic.

It's not often somebody comes along who I think should be excluded, but in my opinion, there's no fucking place for you here and, as far as I'm concerned, you're not fucking welcome. I would welcome the Westboro Baptist nutters first.

ispoketoanangel wrote:

Tbickle wrote:
That's double talk. You said that God knows where I'm going, I cannot do something other than what he already knows I will do so my future has already been decided. Regardless of whatever faux-decision making process I make after this will ultimately lead me to what has already been known.

I cannot have free will to choose if my choices exclude all other options but those that God already knows about. Aside from this implication, if God created all of us (including me), I was made in a particular fashion and in a certain setting that would incline me to particular restaurants or types of food over others I do not care for or that I may be allergic to. If our choices are indeed limited by any manner be it by divine knowledge that we cannot refute or by way of his design, I cannot actually realize full free will.

Yes, you have free will. You can freely choose to go to PIzza Hut, for example. In that scenario what God would know is that you would freely go to Pizza Hut.

What you seem to be saying is that, from the point of view of a particular world actualized by God (where you freely go to McDonalds, for example), you want to jump in another world where you freely choose to go to Pizza Hut. Of course you can't do that. You cannot change your destiny is a particular world actualized by God. But this has nothing to do with free will, but with trying to do the logically impossible. A world only has one path.

ispoketoanangel wrote:If you would freely choose to go to restaurant 1, then what God would know is that you will go to restaurant 1.

If you would freely choose to go to restaurant 2, then what God would know is that you will go to restaurant 2.

Etc.

The choice is yours, dear.

It's true that you cannot go to a restaurant other than the one you will freely choose to go. It doesn't affect one bit your freedom though, enjoy.

ispoketoanangel wrote:If you would freely choose to go to restaurant 1, then what God would know is that you will go to restaurant 1.

If you would freely choose to go to restaurant 2, then what God would know is that you will go to restaurant 2.

Etc.

The choice is yours, dear.

It's true that you cannot go to a restaurant other than the one you will freely choose to go. It doesn't affect one bit your freedom though, enjoy.

since god actualised the world where I "freely choose" to go to A