Peter Brown wrote:Well it was aimed at Thomas as I don't regard anything he says as remotely useful to the debate anymore, it’s just pure risible back biting childlike behaviour and I’m replying at his level of debate and being just as stupid, back biting and obviously childlike, at least you are making the effort to make a case until you start looking like you are supporting his behaviour and posts.

Peter Brown wrote:Lets save blip the trouble, I'm walking away for a while so you can go cool down.

matthewharrison wrote::lol:

Actually, I meant to mention in my last post... The weirdest thing of the whole rally was repeated claims by a lot of the people there that Islam isn't a religion. Utterly bizarre. Has anyone every heard of such a position?

Peter Brown wrote:Renewed warnings of extremism on UK university campuses
http://www.secularism.org.uk/news/2015/ ... y-campuses

According to the new research, "The speakers featured have suggested that there is a Western war against Islam; supported individuals convicted of terrorism offences; expressed intolerance of non-believers and/or minorities; and espoused religious law as a method of socio-political governance – opposing democracy in the process."

The report notes the high volume of students involved in Islamist inspired terror attacks who were studying at UK universities when they were believed to have been radicalised.

Events were "most likely to take place in London," and several guest speakers appeared in reports repeatedly. The University of Westminster, Queen Mary University of London, the School of Oriental and African Studies, Aston University and King's College London among others all featured regularly in lists of 'worst offenders' for the number and type of events held with radical preachers.

From data gathered at universities across the UK, the report found that the majority of events with extremist speakers "host just one orator, and rarely act as debates. Instead, they tend to function as unchallenged platforms where extreme or intolerant speakers are presented as religious or political authorities."

A very small volume of planned events featuring extremist speakers at university campuses were cancelled.

In contrast, the report also notes instances of secularist speakers and atheist students being harassed or having their events "violently threatened" by Islamists.

I wonder if this is happening everywhere and not just the UK?
you may name call me Cassandra

Peter Brown wrote:I'm trying to not post really I am.

matthewharrison wrote::lol:

Actually, I meant to mention in my last post... The weirdest thing of the whole rally was repeated claims by a lot of the people there that Islam isn't a religion. Utterly bizarre. Has anyone every heard of such a position?

Peter Brown wrote:

matthewharrison wrote::lol:

Actually, I meant to mention in my last post... The weirdest thing of the whole rally was repeated claims by a lot of the people there that Islam isn't a religion. Utterly bizarre. Has anyone every heard of such a position?

Yes, from Muslims.

The Quran (and Hadith) is meant to cover everything from the body politic to going to the toilet.

Peter Brown wrote:Yes and we should heed that warning. It is what Hitchen told us and Hitchen even says in this clip people with Muslim backgrounds warn us about too.

Peter Brown wrote:

matthewharrison wrote::lol:

Actually, I meant to mention in my last post... The weirdest thing of the whole rally was repeated claims by a lot of the people there that Islam isn't a religion. Utterly bizarre. Has anyone every heard of such a position?

Yes, from Muslims.

Peter Brown wrote:Yes and we should heed that warning. It is what Hitchen told us and Hitchens even says in this clip people with Muslim backgrounds warn us about too.



but please note at the very end Hitchens says about religion or Islam, is not when it is in the name of religion when we have a problem with the faith, it is when it is actually part of the religion we have a problem, and if Muslims don't change that then change has to be imposed from outside.

matthewharrison wrote:

Peter Brown wrote:

matthewharrison wrote::lol:

Actually, I meant to mention in my last post... The weirdest thing of the whole rally was repeated claims by a lot of the people there that Islam isn't a religion. Utterly bizarre. Has anyone every heard of such a position?

Yes, from Muslims.

Have you got any reputable references to back that up?

matthewharrison wrote:Some of my best friends are Muslamic...

matthewharrison wrote:

Peter Brown wrote:

matthewharrison wrote::lol:

Actually, I meant to mention in my last post... The weirdest thing of the whole rally was repeated claims by a lot of the people there that Islam isn't a religion. Utterly bizarre. Has anyone every heard of such a position?

Yes, from Muslims.

Have you got any reputable references to back that up?

http://www.islamweb.net/emainpage/articles/158625/islam-a-comprehensive-way-of-life
Islam is a complete and comprehensive way of life leading to a balanced way of living. Islam brings civilization and happiness to man. Islamic principles and teachings can provide realistic, fair and objective solutions to the prevention of individual, familial, social and international problems which are threatening the existence of human communities throughout the world.

A spiritual belief that does not deal with social behavior, economic relations and international organizations is as erroneous as the social doctrine that does not consider spiritual belief, morality and behavior.

http://discover.islamway.net/articles.php?article_id=2
The word "Islam" is an Arabic word which means "submission to the will of God". This word comes from the same root as the Arabic word "salam", which means "peace". As such, the religion of Islam teaches that in order to achieve true peace of mind and surety of heart, one must submit to God and live according to His Divinely revealed Law. The most important truth that God revealed to mankind is that there is nothing divine or worthy of being worshipped except for Almighty God, thus all human beings should submit to Him.

then much further down that page

Since the teachings of Islamic encompass all aspects of life and ethics, God-consciousness is encouraged in all human affairs.

Peter Brown wrote: But it all comes down to Muhammad had an idea for Utopia, just like Hitler, and we all know how that turned out.