Why does Quran not mention Paul, gospel writers?

duvduv · #1 by **duvduv** » Aug 17, 2015 6:54 pm

Why does the Quran make brief mention of Jesus AND John (Yuhana) the Baptist, but NOT Paul and the apostles and gospel names??

And why does the Mandaeans religion venerate the Baptist and oppose Jesus? How did the Baptist character acquire so much importance, and Paul so little, EVEN for condemnation for deifying Jesus??!

CdesignProponentsist · #2 by **CdesignProponentsist** » Aug 17, 2015 7:06 pm

It's their particular brand of bullshit. That's the beauty of bullshit, you can put whatever the fuck you want in it.

duvduv · #3 by **duvduv** » Aug 17, 2015 11:03 pm

I am looking for a more academically-informed response. Thanks.

scott1328 · #4 by **scott1328** » Aug 18, 2015 12:25 am

duvduv wrote:I am looking for a more academically-informed response. Thanks.

Have considered asking Quranic scholars, rather than an Internet skeptic forum?

duvduv · #5 by **duvduv** » Aug 18, 2015 1:22 am

No, because I am looking for objective insights. From people who have studied the subject, including the background of the Mandaeans.

CdesignProponentsist · #6 by **CdesignProponentsist** » Aug 18, 2015 1:29 am

I doubt it exists, given about 1500 years of additional bullshit. But I imagine someone could bullshit up a good answer.

duvduv · #7 by **duvduv** » Aug 18, 2015 1:32 am

It could very well be that the initial hostility to Jesus while revering the Baptist was to express hostility to the new Roman religion in a backhanded way by demeaning Jesus by rubbing the Baptist in their face. Using the Roman's own creation to demean the religion itself.
Almost in a comedic reversal without the Romans really realizing what it all meant.

Oeditor · #8 by **Oeditor** » Aug 21, 2015 3:52 pm

I know nothing of the Mandaeans but how about this: if Islam is directly derived from a mixture of Judaism and very early "heretical" Christianity, might it not dwell on the origins of Christianity rather than its blossoming?

Spearthrower · #9 by **Spearthrower** » Aug 21, 2015 5:04 pm

scott1328 wrote:
duvduv wrote:I am looking for a more academically-informed response. Thanks.

Have considered asking Quranic scholars, rather than an Internet skeptic forum?

duvduv wrote:No, because I am looking for objective insights. From people who have studied the subject, including the background of the Mandaeans.

Which I think naturally returns you to....

scott1328 wrote:Have considered asking Quranic scholars, rather than an Internet skeptic forum?

No one here is going to be able to do anything other than speculate.

Thomas Eshuis · **#10** by **Thomas Eshuis** » Aug 21, 2015 5:46 pm

duvduv wrote:Why does the Quran make brief mention of Jesus AND John (Yuhana) the Baptist, but NOT Paul and the apostles and gospel names??

And why does the Mandaeans religion venerate the Baptist and oppose Jesus? How did the Baptist character acquire so much importance, and Paul so little, EVEN for condemnation for deifying Jesus??!

Why do contemporary Christians try their hardest to disown the OT as anything but fanciful tales?

Thomas Eshuis · **#11** by **Thomas Eshuis** » Aug 21, 2015 5:48 pm

duvduv wrote:It could very well be that the initial hostility to Jesus while revering the Baptist was to express hostility to the new Roman religion in a backhanded way by demeaning Jesus by rubbing the Baptist in their face. Using the Roman's own creation to demean the religion itself.
Almost in a comedic reversal without the Romans really realizing what it all meant.

The above is in direct contradiction to your stated aim, here:

duvduv wrote:I am looking for a more academically-informed response. Thanks.

Are you looking for academically supported, well informed theories, or are is there a different purpose to this thread?

Thomas Eshuis · **#12** by **Thomas Eshuis** » Aug 21, 2015 5:49 pm

Spearthrower wrote:
scott1328 wrote:
duvduv wrote:I am looking for a more academically-informed response. Thanks.

Have considered asking Quranic scholars, rather than an Internet skeptic forum?

duvduv wrote:No, because I am looking for objective insights. From people who have studied the subject, including the background of the Mandaeans.

Which I think naturally returns you to....

scott1328 wrote:Have considered asking Quranic scholars, rather than an Internet skeptic forum?

No one here is going to be able to do anything other than speculate.

duvduv · **#13** by **duvduv** » Aug 21, 2015 10:10 pm

Well, given that these forums are not for presenting empirical evidence replicable in a laboratory speculation can be useful built on circumstantial and contextual evidence.

Ironclad · **#14** by **Ironclad** » Aug 21, 2015 10:26 pm

scott1328 wrote:
duvduv wrote:I am looking for a more academically-informed response. Thanks.

Have considered asking Quranic scholars, rather than an Internet skeptic forum?

Best thing you've ever written, that I've read, Scott. :cheers:

Spearthrower · **#15** by **Spearthrower** » Aug 21, 2015 10:44 pm

duvduv wrote:Well, given that these forums are not for presenting empirical evidence replicable in a laboratory speculation can be useful built on circumstantial and contextual evidence.

Your sentence doesn't parse.

But no, speculation cannot be useful nor built on by circumstantial and contextual evidence when you are supposedly asking a very particular question that no one here is likely to know. Wrong venue. Ask one about sport.

scott1328 · **#16** by **scott1328** » Aug 21, 2015 10:46 pm

Ironclad wrote:
scott1328 wrote:
duvduv wrote:I am looking for a more academically-informed response. Thanks.

Have considered asking Quranic scholars, rather than an Internet skeptic forum?

Best thing you've ever written, that I've read, Scott.

Thanks...I think

Clearly you've not read the limericks thread, or the word dissociation thread.

Ironclad · **#17** by **Ironclad** » Aug 21, 2015 11:38 pm

scott1328 wrote:
Ironclad wrote:
scott1328 wrote:
duvduv wrote:I am looking for a more academically-informed response. Thanks.

Have considered asking Quranic scholars, rather than an Internet skeptic forum?

Best thing you've ever written, that I've read, Scott.
Thanks...I think

Clearly you've not read the limericks thread, or the word dissociation thread.

I'm sure your works are mighty :dopey:

Thomas Eshuis · **#18** by **Thomas Eshuis** » Aug 22, 2015 6:18 am

duvduv wrote:Well, given that these forums are not for presenting empirical evidence replicable in a laboratory speculation can be useful built on circumstantial and contextual evidence.

The above is nonsense.
You can cite all manner of studies and experiments here which people can replicate in real-life.
And the absence of a lab on this site doesn't mean you get to just make shit up and pretend it's equal to actual historical research.

duvduv · **#19** by **duvduv** » Aug 23, 2015 2:41 am

Who's making WHAT up, Thomas? Have you asked the church and Quranic dogmatists yet?

Thomas Eshuis · **#20** by **Thomas Eshuis** » Aug 23, 2015 7:49 am

duvduv wrote:Who's making WHAT up, Thomas?

That's what speculation means duvduv, imagining, ie making up, possible explanations which is in no way the equavlent of theorising based on evidence.

duvduv wrote: Have you asked the church and Quranic dogmatists yet?

Is this non-sequitur hour? :confused:

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