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Re: Hello =)
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by laklak » Jul 17, 2016 5:58 pm
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Re: Hello =)
#22 by BlackBart » Jul 18, 2016 7:47 pm
Head 'em up. Move 'em out.
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Re: Hello =)
#23 by Thomas Eshuis » Jul 18, 2016 7:50 pm
Belated welcome Equality.
"Respect for personal beliefs = "I am going to tell you all what I think of YOU, but don't dare retort and tell what you think of ME because...it's my personal belief". Hmm. A bully's charter and no mistake."
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Re: Hello =)
#24 by EquALLity » Jul 18, 2016 8:10 pm
Thomas Eshuis wrote:Belated welcome Equality.
Thanks.
You're not that bad I guess.
I think we got off on the wrong foot.
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Re: Hello =)
#25 by Onyx8 » Jul 18, 2016 8:13 pm
Welcome aboard Eq, having a sense of humour is a good thing, you evidently do.
The problem with fantasies is you can't really insist that everyone else believes in yours, the other problem with fantasies is that most believers of fantasies eventually get around to doing exactly that.
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Re: Hello =)
#26 by Thomas Eshuis » Jul 18, 2016 8:14 pm
People tend to think I'm hostile because I don't treat other people's ideas with any respect if I find them lacking.
Also I can't stand it when people misrepresent each others position, even if it might be unintentional, because it's so easy to actually read what the other person is saying, or if need be, ask them what they mean.
So in that case I might be a bit brusque.
Just keep in mind that when I'm engaged in a discussion with you, it's nothing personal, at worst I'm only attacking your ideas, not you.
And I'd love if you did the same, because the only way we improve our views if people challenge them without compunction.
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"Respect for personal beliefs = "I am going to tell you all what I think of YOU, but don't dare retort and tell what you think of ME because...it's my personal belief". Hmm. A bully's charter and no mistake."
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Re: Hello =)
#27 by mindhack » Jul 18, 2016 8:16 pm
Amen!
Hello Stef, good to have you around.
Welcome!
Hello Stef, good to have you around.
Welcome!
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Re: Hello =)
#28 by EquALLity » Jul 18, 2016 9:05 pm
“What one generation finds ridiculous, the next accepts; and the third shudders when it looks back on what the first did.”
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Re: Hello =)
#29 by EquALLity » Jul 18, 2016 9:07 pm
Thomas Eshuis wrote:
People tend to think I'm hostile because I don't treat other people's ideas with any respect if I find them lacking.
Also I can't stand it when people misrepresent each others position, even if it might be unintentional, because it's so easy to actually read what the other person is saying, or if need be, ask them what they mean.
So in that case I might be a bit brusque.
Just keep in mind that when I'm engaged in a discussion with you, it's nothing personal, at worst I'm only attacking your ideas, not you.
And I'd love if you did the same, because the only way we improve our views if people challenge them without compunction.
Ok, great.
To clarify, I don't think that including personal attacks within a valid argument is necessarily bad. It only becomes an ad-hominem if the personal attack replaces an argument or is used to dismiss one.
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Re: Hello =)
#30 by EquALLity » Jul 18, 2016 9:08 pm
“What one generation finds ridiculous, the next accepts; and the third shudders when it looks back on what the first did.”
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Re: Hello =)
#31 by Thomas Eshuis » Jul 18, 2016 9:36 pm
EquALLity wrote:Thomas Eshuis wrote:
People tend to think I'm hostile because I don't treat other people's ideas with any respect if I find them lacking.
Also I can't stand it when people misrepresent each others position, even if it might be unintentional, because it's so easy to actually read what the other person is saying, or if need be, ask them what they mean.
So in that case I might be a bit brusque.
Just keep in mind that when I'm engaged in a discussion with you, it's nothing personal, at worst I'm only attacking your ideas, not you.
And I'd love if you did the same, because the only way we improve our views if people challenge them without compunction.
Ok, great.
To clarify, I don't think that including personal attacks within a valid argument is necessarily bad.[/quote]
That might be your opinion, but you'd be wrong. At least as far as rational discourse is concerned.
Attacking a person rather than their arguments does nothing whatsoever to refute their position or the arguments in favor of their position.
EquALLity wrote: It only becomes an ad-hominem if the personal attack replaces an argument or is used to dismiss one.
A personal attack is either name-calling or, if used as an argument, by definition an ad-hominem
You're not attacking the argument after, all but the person who made it.
Either way it's in no way conducive to rational discourse.
"Respect for personal beliefs = "I am going to tell you all what I think of YOU, but don't dare retort and tell what you think of ME because...it's my personal belief". Hmm. A bully's charter and no mistake."
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Re: Hello =)
#32 by DougC » Jul 18, 2016 11:22 pm
Hi.
To do, is to be (Socrate)
To be, is to do (Sartre)
Do be do be do (Sinatra)
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Re: Hello =)
#33 by EquALLity » Jul 19, 2016 12:20 am
“What one generation finds ridiculous, the next accepts; and the third shudders when it looks back on what the first did.”
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Re: Hello =)
#34 by DougC » Jul 19, 2016 12:28 am
To do, is to be (Socrate)
To be, is to do (Sartre)
Do be do be do (Sinatra)
SUBWAY(1985)
To be, is to do (Sartre)
Do be do be do (Sinatra)
SUBWAY(1985)
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Re: Hello =)
#35 by EquALLity » Jul 19, 2016 12:33 am
Thomas Eshuis wrote:That might be your opinion, but you'd be wrong. At least as far as rational discourse is concerned.
Attacking a person rather than their arguments does nothing whatsoever to refute their position or the arguments in favor of their position.
Of course. But it might be useful in certain circumstances if other methods of presentation unfortunately don't work. I don't think it's a good first resort.
Thomas Eshuis wrote:A personal attack is either name-calling or, if used as an argument, by definition an ad-hominem
You're not attacking the argument after, all but the person who made it.
Either way it's in no way conducive to rational discourse.
It doesn't improve your argument, but it may help in terms of persuasion.
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