kiore wrote:Nonsense you have this backwards. Churchill asked the population to toughen up and fight not to be stupid. London can take it, the spirit of the blitz blah blah was not about not going to the bomb shelter during a raid, was not saying tear down your blackout curtains and expose yourself (and your neighbours) to the enemy threat. Taking precautions and putting up with restrictions for the greater good is what you seem to have missed in this example.

jamest wrote:

kiore wrote:Nonsense you have this backwards. Churchill asked the population to toughen up and fight not to be stupid. London can take it, the spirit of the blitz blah blah was not about not going to the bomb shelter during a raid, was not saying tear down your blackout curtains and expose yourself (and your neighbours) to the enemy threat. Taking precautions and putting up with restrictions for the greater good is what you seem to have missed in this example.

Notwithstanding the fact that Chamberlain was a pussy with Hitler prior to WW2, the UK government would have surrendered to Hitler in 1940 if it were not for Churchill. Do you accept these facts?

Regardless, Churchill wasn't oblivious to the horrors of war, but what made him special was that he throroughly understood the repercussions of surrender.

Seabass wrote:This is ridiculous. You fight infectious disease with science, not armies. You are comparing apples not with oranges, but with something that has literally nothing in common with apples.

jamest wrote:People die all the time. Ultimately, what matters, is the ideals which survive time.

The Infuenza.

Oh how shall I its deeds recount
Or measure the untold amount
Of ills that it has done?
From China's bright celestial land
E'en to Arabia's thirsty sand
It journeyed with the sun.

O'er miles of bleak Siberia's plains
Where Russian exiles toil in chains
It moved with noiseless tread;
And as it slowly glided by
There followed it across the sky
The spirits of the dead.

The Ural peaks by it were scaled
And every bar and barrier failed
To turn it from its way;
Slowly and surely on it came,
Heralded by its awful fame,
Increasing day by day.

On Moscow's fair and famous town
Where fell the first Napoleon's crown
It made a direful swoop;
The rich, the poor, the high, the low
Alike the various symptoms know,
Alike before it droop.

Nor adverse winds, nor floods of rain
Might stay the thrice-accursed bane;
And with unsparing hand,
Impartial, cruel and severe
It travelled on allied with fear
And smote the fatherland.

Fair Alsace and forlorn Lorraine,
The cause of bitterness and pain
In many a Gaelic breast,
Receive the vile, insatiate scourge,
And from their towns with it emerge
And never stay nor rest.

And now Europa groans aloud,
And 'neath the heavy thunder-cloud
Hushed is both song and dance;
The germs of illness wend their way
To westward each succeeding day
And enter merry France.

Fair land of Gaul, thy patriots brave
Who fear not death and scorn the grave
Cannot this foe oppose,
Whose loathsome hand and cruel sting,
Whose poisonous breath and blighted wing
Full well thy cities know.

In Calais port the illness stays,
As did the French in former days,
To threaten Freedom's isle;
But now no Nelson could o'erthrow
This cruel, unconquerable foe,
Nor save us from its guile.

Yet Father Neptune strove right well
To moderate this plague of Hell,
And thwart it in its course;
And though it passed the streak of brine
And penetrated this thin line,
It came with broken force.

For though it ravaged far and wide
Both village, town and countryside,
Its power to kill was o'er;
And with the favouring winds of Spring
(Blest is the time of which I sing)
It left our native shore.

God shield our Empire from the might
Of war or famine, plague or blight
And all the power of Hell,
And keep it ever in the hands
Of those who fought 'gainst other lands,
Who fought and conquered well.


- By Winston Churchill.

I put it to you all that if Churchill was alive today that he'd be saying something along the lines of "fuck the virus!"..

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Alan C wrote:There is already bravery around, among medical staff and related first responders. If there were less selfish dumbfucks running around spreading this highly infectious disease it would make their task easier.

Alan C wrote:There is already bravery around, among medical staff and related first responders. If there were less selfish dumbfucks running around spreading this highly infectious disease it would make their task easier.