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Assisted Suicide Bill may be Passed in UK

#1  Postby Alan B » Mar 09, 2014 11:33 am

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The British government will not stand in the way of legislation that would permit assisted suicide, the Ministry of Justice said Sunday as parliament prepares to examine a bill.

The governing coalition will not order its lawmakers to block the proposals and instead they will be given a free vote according to conscience, a spokesman said.

The draft legislation will come before parliament in the next four months, The Sunday Telegraph newspaper said.

It remains a criminal offence - punishable by up to 14 years' imprisonment - to help someone take their own life, under the 1961 Suicide Act.

Four years ago, the director of public prosecutions (DPP), who heads England's state prosecution service, issued guidelines which said anyone "acting out of compassion" while helping a loved one to die was unlikely to be charged.

Since then, around 90 such cases have been examined and no charges brought, The Sunday Telegraph said.


And about bloody time!
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#2  Postby redwhine » Mar 09, 2014 11:44 am

I've been dying to hear this for years.
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#3  Postby hackenslash » Mar 09, 2014 12:01 pm

redwhine wrote:I've been dying to hear this for years.


:lol:

Seriously, though,this has been too long coming. Here's hoping it passes.
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#4  Postby Ihavenofingerprints » Mar 09, 2014 12:14 pm

Amazing to see this in a country currently run by a conservative government.
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#5  Postby ED209 » Mar 09, 2014 1:22 pm

Ihavenofingerprints wrote:Amazing to see this in a country currently run by a conservative government.



While it's true that we are currently suffering the most illiberal and right-wing government for years this bill is a result of the fact that years ago the public prosecutor said that cases were unlikely to be prosecuted, there's been many cases not prosecuted since, and there's been some high profile people affected speaking movingly in the meejah about it in recent years. Hopefully the bill will pass, the law as it stands is a travesty, something many are angry about, and surely progress cannot be stalled indefinitely.
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#6  Postby Alan B » Mar 09, 2014 1:28 pm

Yep. But I suppose the religious fuckwits will get up on their hind legs and start braying about the 'immorality' of it all...
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#7  Postby michael^3 » Mar 09, 2014 11:35 pm

Let's have assisted self-mutilation too, while we're at it.
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#8  Postby Fallible » Mar 09, 2014 11:36 pm

Why?
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#9  Postby Strontium Dog » Mar 09, 2014 11:38 pm

Ihavenofingerprints wrote:Amazing to see this in a country currently run by a conservative government.


The country is run by a coalition of conservatives and liberals.

What would be genuinely astonishing is if it happened in a country run by moralising left-wing authoritarians.
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#10  Postby Thommo » Mar 09, 2014 11:41 pm

This sounds like good news, I'll be very pleased if it passes - assuming the content is reasonable.
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#11  Postby michael^3 » Mar 09, 2014 11:51 pm

Fallible wrote:Why?


If you're going to help somebody with killing himself, why won't you help somebody with just hurting himself?
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#12  Postby Fallible » Mar 09, 2014 11:53 pm

michael^3 wrote:
Fallible wrote:Why?


If you're going to help somebody with killing himself, why won't you help somebody with just hurting himself?


Sorry, I don't understand how the two are the same. Can you explain?
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#13  Postby Thommo » Mar 09, 2014 11:54 pm

michael^3 wrote:
Fallible wrote:Why?


If you're going to help somebody with killing himself, why won't you help somebody with just hurting himself?


Because the goals of alleviating suffering (by assisting someone in terminal pain dying) and causing suffering (by hurting someone) are diametrically opposed. The motivation and arguments for the one do not in any way support the other.
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#14  Postby michael^3 » Mar 09, 2014 11:57 pm

Fallible wrote:
michael^3 wrote:
Fallible wrote:Why?


If you're going to help somebody with killing himself, why won't you help somebody with just hurting himself?


Sorry, I don't understand how the two are the same. Can you explain?


They are the same, it's just a matter of dosage. Killing yourself means hurting yourself so bad that you die.
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#15  Postby michael^3 » Mar 10, 2014 12:01 am

Thommo wrote:
michael^3 wrote:
Fallible wrote:Why?


If you're going to help somebody with killing himself, why won't you help somebody with just hurting himself?


Because the goals of alleviating suffering (by assisting someone in terminal pain dying) and causing suffering (by hurting someone) are diametrically opposed. The motivation and arguments for the one do not in any way support the other.


It's not about suffering. If a person hurts himself deliberately, it means he gets something out of it. Otherwise he wouldn't do it. So why wouldn't you respect his wish to hurt himself?
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#16  Postby Thommo » Mar 10, 2014 12:03 am

michael^3 wrote:
Thommo wrote:
michael^3 wrote:
Fallible wrote:Why?


If you're going to help somebody with killing himself, why won't you help somebody with just hurting himself?


Because the goals of alleviating suffering (by assisting someone in terminal pain dying) and causing suffering (by hurting someone) are diametrically opposed. The motivation and arguments for the one do not in any way support the other.


It's not about suffering. If a person hurts himself deliberately, it means he gets something out of it. Otherwise he wouldn't do it. So why wouldn't you respect his wish to hurt himself?


Sorry, I'm not willing to conduct a conversation based on such silliness as claiming that hurt doesn't cause suffering or that death is an overdose of hurt. I cannot see any benefit can follow from such daft assumptions.
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#17  Postby michael^3 » Mar 10, 2014 12:04 am

Thommo wrote:Sorry, I'm not willing to conduct a conversation based on such silliness as claiming that hurt doesn't cause suffering or that death is an overdose of hurt. I cannot see any benefit can follow from such daft assumptions.


Yeah i understand that it is impossible to bullshit your way out of this one.
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#18  Postby ED209 » Mar 10, 2014 12:12 am

michael^3 wrote:
Fallible wrote:Why?


If you're going to help somebody with killing himself, why won't you help somebody with just hurting himself?


Depending on who it is, I might very well be only too pleased to do exactly that. I'd even travel :dunno:
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#19  Postby Fallible » Mar 10, 2014 12:18 am

michael^3 wrote:
Fallible wrote:
michael^3 wrote:
Fallible wrote:Why?


If you're going to help somebody with killing himself, why won't you help somebody with just hurting himself?


Sorry, I don't understand how the two are the same. Can you explain?


They are the same, it's just a matter of dosage. Killing yourself means hurting yourself so bad that you die.


No, not really. The whole point of assisted dying is that it ends the hurting, and in a way that is as painless as possible. Care to try again?
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#20  Postby Fallible » Mar 10, 2014 12:22 am

michael^3 wrote:
Thommo wrote:
michael^3 wrote:
Fallible wrote:Why?


If you're going to help somebody with killing himself, why won't you help somebody with just hurting himself?


Because the goals of alleviating suffering (by assisting someone in terminal pain dying) and causing suffering (by hurting someone) are diametrically opposed. The motivation and arguments for the one do not in any way support the other.


It's not about suffering. If a person hurts himself deliberately, it means he gets something out of it. Otherwise he wouldn't do it. So why wouldn't you respect his wish to hurt himself?


Because what can be got from the self harm can be got in other less painful and more advantageous ways. Getting rid of guilt and low self esteem and emotional numbness and past traumas can all be done without imbibing harmful substances, pulling out one's hair, cutting oneself or indulging in risky behaviour. Assisted dying concerns people for whom there is no other way out.
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