Sendraks wrote:

Gnu Ordure wrote:
Well, I don't agree. I think that people should acknowledge their mistakes as soon as possible, apologize and take the consequences. That's what people with integrity do.

Agreed. Case in point the NHS, where over the last 15 years, there has been a real industry of policy to get NHS employees at all levels to be open with patients and the public about mistakes. It is the right thing to do.

Gnu Ordure wrote:

Oldskeptic wrote:

Xaihe wrote:

The park was empty, except for the kid, was it not?

Was it? I don't know that it was empty, how do you?

Noble's report said: "There is no evidence that anyone other than Tamir was in the park at the time the officers arrived".

However, I found another video which clearly shows other people nearby. This obviously wasn't available to Noble:

Oldskeptic wrote

Gnu Ordure wrote:
If you read the reports previously cited, you'll see that the boy wasn't doing anything when the police arrived (so there was nothing for him to 'stop' doing), and the police never said anything to him, and he didn't reach for his waist band.

Well, that's really the only question with any relevance, isn't it? What did Rice do when the police car pulled up? Looking at this from minute 8:30 on it looks to me like Rice got up from the table when he saw the patrol car coming, walked towards where it would be, at 8:38 reached for his waist band and gun, and by 8:39 had his gun out and was shot.

The experts had access to an enhanced video, which we don't. So I'm reluctant to definitively state what happened based on that video.

But you could try comparing what you see there with the officers' November 2015 statements. Garmback's here:

http://www.courthousenews.com/2015/12/02/garmback.pdf

And Loehmann's here:

http://prosecutor.cuyahogacounty.us/pdf ... tement.pdf

As I said before, I don't know why or under what circumstances the officers made those statements a year after the events.

Teague wrote:The video shows a couple walking away, not particularly near to Tamir. The other notable thing is that they obviously aren't running away in a panic. They are walking calmly so they didn't seem to feel like they were in any danger. In actual proximity to Tamir there is nobody.

Teague wrote: We can't tell what the 2 in the above video are thinking but I think that the claim "There were people in the park near him" is a little disingenuous.

Big Wins for Black Lives Matter

The prosecutors in the Tamir Rice and Laquan McDonald cases lose their primary races.

On Tuesday night, two major Midwestern prosecutors lost their jobs after provoking nationwide rage with their handling of cases in which police officers killed unarmed young black people. In Illinois, the loser was Cook County state’s attorney Anita Alvarez, who waited 13 months to bring charges against the Chicago police officer who shot Laquan McDonald 16 times in October 2014. In Ohio, it was Cuyahoga County district attorney Tim McGinty, who oversaw grand jury proceedings that led to no charges being filed against the officers responsible for the death of 12-year-old Tamir Rice.



Together the two results represent a major victory for the Black Lives Matter movement, whose organizers have now decisively demonstrated their ability to mobilize voters and change the direction of local politics. And while these two races were, technically, only Democratic primaries, the two candidates who won them are expected to take office with minimal or nonexistent opposition after the fall’s general election.

It’s rare for incumbent prosecutors to be voted out of office. According to one study, they win re-election 95 percent of the time, and typically they run unopposed. This is in part because most voters just don’t pay attention to prosecutor races, and usually don’t have a vivid sense of the office’s powers. As one local district attorney told me last year after completing a successful campaign, “Most people don’t know what the district attorney does.” In Cook and Cuyahoga counties on Tuesday, Democratic primary voters clearly had stronger opinions than usual about the work of their prosecutors—and they decided that they didn’t want Anita Alvarez or Tim McGinty doing the job anymore.


http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_ ... imary.html