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David Barton book withdrawn by publisher

#1  Postby Shrunk » Aug 09, 2012 10:04 pm

Nashville-based Thomas Nelson Publishers has canceled a controversial bestseller by David Barton, an influential evangelical leader, because the book contains historical errors.

Barton’s book, “The Jefferson Lies,’’ claims to expose liberal myths about Thomas Jefferson, author of the Declaration of Independence and the nation’s third president.

But a group of conservative scholars says Barton’s take on Jefferson is factually untrue. And a group of ministers from Cincinnati called on Nelson to cancel the book.

Casey Francis Harrell, director of corporate communications for Thomas Nelson, said that the publisher had gotten a number of complaints about the book. The publisher reviewed those complaints and found enough errors to cancel it.

“Because of these deficiencies, we decided that it was in the best interest of our readers to cease its publication and distribution,” said Harrell....

Barton is president of Wallbuilders, an Aledo, Texas-based conservative group that says it wants to reclaim America’s forgotten Christian history.

http://www.tennessean.com/article/20120 ... ck_check=1


:clap:

I guess that title was more accurate than they realized.
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Re: David Barton book withdrawn by publisher

#2  Postby chairman bill » Aug 09, 2012 10:41 pm

So a Christian telling more lies for Jesus, is complaining about a publisher being concerned about publishing those lies for Jesus. Question is, what would Jesus do?
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Re: David Barton book withdrawn by publisher

#3  Postby Julia » Aug 11, 2012 7:12 pm

I just saw this author on The Daily Show. How embarrassing!
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Re: David Barton book withdrawn by publisher

#4  Postby james1v » Aug 11, 2012 7:20 pm

:lol:
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Re: David Barton book withdrawn by publisher

#5  Postby DougC » Aug 11, 2012 10:40 pm

"All characters appearing in this work are fictitious. Any resemblance to real persons, living or dead, is purely coincidental."
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Re: David Barton book withdrawn by publisher

#6  Postby Shrunk » Aug 11, 2012 11:36 pm

The publisher's actions notwithstanding, Barton can at least take comfort in having won this hotlly contested award.
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Re: David Barton book withdrawn by publisher

#7  Postby Onyx8 » Aug 12, 2012 12:00 am

:lol:
The problem with fantasies is you can't really insist that everyone else believes in yours, the other problem with fantasies is that most believers of fantasies eventually get around to doing exactly that.
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Re: David Barton book withdrawn by publisher

#8  Postby Skinny Puppy » Aug 12, 2012 12:57 am

DougC wrote:"All characters appearing in this work are fictitious. Any resemblance to real persons, living or dead, is purely coincidental."



All religious characters appearing to tell the truth are fictitious. Any resemblance to real persons, living or brain dead, is purely coincidental."
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Re: David Barton book withdrawn by publisher

#9  Postby Shrunk » Aug 12, 2012 11:45 am

Barton's mouthpiece, Rick Green, has issued a deliciously over the top response to the publisher's decision, going straight for the Godwin:

Question: What do elitist professors have in common with Adolf Hitler & Saul Alinsky?

Answer: They masterfully use the powerful art of innuendo to falsely defame those with which they disagree.

Definition of Innuendo: A derogatory hint or reference to a person or thing.

The internet is abuzz today with leftwing bloggers, elitist professors, and downright jealous peers licking their chops and rubbing their hands in excitement as they repeat the juicy quotes about David Barton books being full of “embarrassing factual errors, suspiciously selective quotes, and highly misleading claims.”

Yet not a single article can point to a single factual error, quote out of context, or misleading claim.

How ‘bout that.

These articles are all celebrating the fact that Thomas Nelson is pulling “The Jefferson Lies” because “…there were some historical details included in the book that were not adequately supported.”

Does “not adequately supported” mean the same as “not supported?”

Of course not!


Umm, actually in this context it does mean the same thing.

He also issues a challenge:

In the meantime, I’m still waiting for someone to show me a specific inaccuracy or false claim by Barton. Every author, including these elitists, makes mistakes and we could do several more blogs about the hilarious publishing mistakes by some of the most respected authors in history. (quick read here for some famous ones) That’s not what I’m talking about and that’s not what these critics are claiming. They are claiming that Barton is purposefully presenting a false picture of history and using inaccuracies and distortions to do so. Nothing could be further from the truth. In fact, it is these critics who are using inaccuracies, innuendo, and distortions to attack Barton in the first place.

If you can show me specifics that back up the image created by the critics innuendo, I’ll post it right here for the world to see.


Well, that certainly seems fair.

Blogger Chris Rodda has been as instrumental as anyone in debunking the claims of Barton's book, and so has accepted Green's invitation and sent this message:

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Green has refused to post this statement, and here is his "explanation":

I’m still looking for specific examples. I’m not going to post ridiculous, unrelated, illogical ramblings, but I will gladly post legitimate questions of research or challenges to any point made in the Jefferson book. I know I will not have time to respond to every single one, but will do my best.


Rodda has since sent a second message, but I think we all know how this is going to go from here: Green is going to use the convenient loophole he has provided himself, and simply say he didn't have time to respond to it.

The title of Rodda's book, BTW, is Liars for Jesus. I think she knows what she is talking about.
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Re: David Barton book withdrawn by publisher

#10  Postby Dawn » Aug 12, 2012 12:45 pm

I am so glad the publisher is calling him on his bullshit.
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