DougC wrote:Two men with silly hair and an atomic button!

Don't forget Boris...it's not beyond the realms of possibility that he could be PM. They could have three way talks and a mad barnet convention.

LOL nice compilation of hypocrisy...

B.B.C. - Donald Trump says he has been asked to visit Downing Street

purplerat wrote:From those I know typical blue collar rank and file union members have been swinging towards the GOP long before this election. I don't see much of an impact coming from there. These guys weren't exactly tripping over themselves to vote for Obama either.

Yeah, and it's a damning indictment of the DNC that the party allowed it to happen.

Blue collar workers and unions are the party's natural base, yet they've been abandoned, thrown to the wolves of neoliberalism by a coalition of career politicians interested only in power, and limousine liberals insulated from its effects by family and personal wealth. The GOP launched a culture war, and the Dem boss class committed the tactical sin of letting their opponents choose the battlefield.

Now the culture wars have been fought to a standstill, what are the Dems for? Identity politics? For hundreds of millions, a secondary concern at best; at worst, an irrelevance. What else? A different flavor of big government, perhaps, or slightly tamer foreign warfare than the neocons. Regardless, the economic scorched earth of rampant neoliberalism continues, and so long as it does, its victims will look elsewhere.

Id say its because unionized labor is just not that relevant any more. At least in terms of votes. The money might be but voting demographics are shifting away from unionized workers. Especially for unskilled labor from where i see the biggest shift towards (R).

Sure, 'cause many unions have been broken, whether by the decline of old union strongholds of manufacturing and heavy industry, or "right to work" measures and other anti-union legislation.

Which leaves a whole bunch of exploited, angry workers, who the Dems should be rallying around a platform of jobs, workers' rights, and breaking the robber baron class; but who the party elite have instead abandoned, leaving the way clear for Trump's demagoguery.

It's the economy, always, the economy. Trump acknowledges the problem and promises jobs, prosperity, and protectionism: Clinton ignores it and squawks on about identity politics, or, when pushed by Sanders, offers some blatantly insincere platitudes. Little wonder the Donald is set to clean her clock.

Idk, i have hard time seeing a guy who tells american workers that they earn too much cleaning anybodies clock on the economy, particularly with the working class.

Obviously Clinton isnt strong on the economy against Sanders at least in campaigning but i expect she will pivot hard and fast on it once the nomination is locked up. Shes already doing that utilizing Bill. While trump is talking abouy his sex Clinton will be using his being a focal point to remind everybody what the economy was like when they were last in the white house.

And as you saipy its always the economy. Thats why nobody cared who bill fucked back then and i think trump will make a huge misstep in reminding the country about those days.

purplerat wrote:Idk, i have hard time seeing a guy who tells american workers that they earn too much cleaning anybodies clock on the economy, particularly with the working class. [...]

Oh, Trump's way past that now: he's promising prosperity while tapping the temporarily embarrassed millionaire reflex:-

I’m gonna make our country so competitive that people at minimum wage are going to escape the minimum wage – they are going to go up and they’re gonna make a lot of money and they’re gonna have companies and be involved with companies that are really successful where they can be paid more and more money.

No-one wants to be at the bottom of the ladder: Trump's promising millions of voters that they won't be, and once they're a few notches up, they can look down on those below them.

Trump is promising it. The Clintons have done it.

I think we'll be hearing a lot of exactly that over the next few months.

so Trump just flipped to kiss the NRA's behind...

purplerat wrote:Idk, i have hard time seeing a guy who tells american workers that they earn too much cleaning anybodies clock on the economy, particularly with the working class.

Obviously Clinton isnt strong on the economy against Sanders at least in campaigning but i expect she will pivot hard and fast on it once the nomination is locked up. Shes already doing that utilizing Bill. While trump is talking abouy his sex Clinton will be using his being a focal point to remind everybody what the economy was like when they were last in the white house.

And as you saipy its always the economy. Thats why nobody cared who bill fucked back then and i think trump will make a huge misstep in reminding the country about those days.

Yup, Bill, the guy who brought NAFTA which did exactly the opposite of what was promised. Stupid move.

purplerat wrote:Trump is promising it. The Clintons have done it.

I think we'll be hearing a lot of exactly that over the next few months.

They did what? Slick Willy was lucky enough to be Pres during a stock market bubble. It burst, as bubbles always do, and the deregulation he championed led to the '08 Financial Crisis.

Unless Hillary's gonna somehow engineer another boom, she's got no cause to dine out on the fleeting '90s success, an illusionary wave of speculation and credit that masked long-term industrial and manufacturing decline, and was promptly followed by a catastrophic increase in poverty, made worse by Bill's ruthless decision to end welfare as people knew it.

That this house of sand is trumpeted speaks volumes about the rise of Trumpery.

Byron wrote:

purplerat wrote:Trump is promising it. The Clintons have done it.

I think we'll be hearing a lot of exactly that over the next few months.

They did what? Slick Willy was lucky enough to be Pres during a stock market bubble. It burst, as bubbles always do, and the deregulation he championed led to the '08 Financial Crisis.

Bill Jeff doesn't deserve any credit for any of the good things that happened during his presidency, but everything bad that happened during George junior's presidency is all the Clintons' fault. Interesting how that works for Republicans in denial and Bernie's supports just as well.

Byron wrote:

purplerat wrote:Trump is promising it. The Clintons have done it.

I think we'll be hearing a lot of exactly that over the next few months.

They did what? Slick Willy was lucky enough to be Pres during a stock market bubble. It burst, as bubbles always do, and the deregulation he championed led to the '08 Financial Crisis.

Unless Hillary's gonna somehow engineer another boom, she's got no cause to dine out on the fleeting '90s success, an illusionary wave of speculation and credit that masked long-term industrial and manufacturing decline, and was promptly followed by a catastrophic increase in poverty, made worse by Bill's ruthless decision to end welfare as people knew it.

That this house of sand is trumpeted speaks volumes about the rise of Trumpery.

Whether they actually "did it" or not doesn't matter any more than if Trump can actually deliver on his promises. That's what they are going to campaign on and results tend to trump promises, even if both are in fact empty.

Oldskeptic wrote:

Byron wrote:

purplerat wrote:Trump is promising it. The Clintons have done it.

I think we'll be hearing a lot of exactly that over the next few months.

They did what? Slick Willy was lucky enough to be Pres during a stock market bubble. It burst, as bubbles always do, and the deregulation he championed led to the '08 Financial Crisis.

Bill Jeff doesn't deserve any credit for any of the good things that happened during his presidency, but everything bad that happened during George junior's presidency is all the Clintons' fault. Interesting how that works for Republicans in denial and Bernie's supports just as well.

Analysis of the drivers of the economic boom have been identified, and many of them happened not because of Bill's policies, but independent of them. Bill did some good things, and some things that delivered short term prosperity at the expense of long term stability. Some of Bush's problems were started under Bill, but he continued on the same path. So did Obama for that matter. Obama did believe in stimulus more so than the republicans, which was helpful. There has been a consistent trend since Reagan. I think we should be critical of both republican and democrat presidents as they steer to the right.

FWIW from an unlikely source

MONDAY, MAY 23, 2016 06:00 AM EDT
Donald Trump is going to win: This is why Hillary Clinton can’t defeat what Trump represents
People are rising up against neoliberal globalization. Trump represents capital, but also understands this reality

http://www.salon.com/2016/05/23/donald_ ... epresents/

Thomas Eshuis wrote:

Yes, a real clusterfuck - which is why one has to wonder what all the hoopla is for since obviously the actual voting is somewhat irrelevant to the results.

Macdoc wrote:FWIW from an unlikely source

MONDAY, MAY 23, 2016 06:00 AM EDT
Donald Trump is going to win: This is why Hillary Clinton can’t defeat what Trump represents
People are rising up against neoliberal globalization. Trump represents capital, but also understands this reality

http://www.salon.com/2016/05/23/donald_ ... epresents/

Jesus in a balloon! How fucking ironic is it going to be if the Sanders revolution is made true by Trump because Sanders isn't going to run because Clinton's so far up her own ass fuck the country if she can't be the attention whore she wants to be.

It's going to be the anti-revolution - the one that's evil. This election should be Trump vs Sanders, good vs evil. If Sanders somehow gets the nomination this is going to make the next political movie epic because it'll be a true story and exciting.

Oldskeptic wrote:Bill Jeff doesn't deserve any credit for any of the good things that happened during his presidency, but everything bad that happened during George junior's presidency is all the Clintons' fault. Interesting how that works for Republicans in denial and Bernie's supports just as well.

Never said anything of the kind: the executive's devotion to "voodoo economics" (neoliberalism) began with Reagan, and was continued enthusiastically by Dubya; both are just as blameworthy as Clinton.

I'll assume the straw man was inadvertent, and trust it won't be repeated.