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Re: Fahrenheit 104 (40 degrees C)

#21  Postby Macdoc » Jul 03, 2012 5:09 pm

Thanks but credit to realclimate for ongoing award winning explanations.

The knock on from this is that it only takes a single extreme event to damage crops in an otherwise "normal" summer.
So even if it was an average growing season in other respects - a single extreme event, be it heat, hail or flooding will wipe out the crop.
As mentioned - the really damaging extreme events
But a seriously extreme temperature, that is 5 standard deviations above the mean, becomes 90 times more likely!


and that's what happened last summer in much of the US, it happened in Europe in 2003 and will increasingly be more frequent even tho the "average" does move all that much.

More moisture in the atmosphere, more energy in the whole system, so the severe storm becomes the extreme storm more often.
The annual flooding in the mid-west becomes a once in a century flood.....3 times in 12 years. - the list goes on and on.
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Re: Fahrenheit 104 (40 degrees C)

#22  Postby FACT-MAN-2 » Jul 03, 2012 5:29 pm

CdesignProponentsist wrote:I get frustrated with people, unfortunately some of which are family members, who claim that climate change is a repackaging of global warming. They can't wrap their heads around the fact that they are two separate but not unrelated concepts.

This is kinda funny because before all is said and done everyone's gonna have to get a grip on what's happening and come to understand just what's going on. It's not all so complicated in the general sense, either. Remind your kinfolks that the "CC" in "IPCC" means climate change, as in "Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change," and this UN agency was formed in 1988 to evaluate and report on the state of Earth's climate and has been doing so since. Hence, nothing's been "repackaged."

The term "global warming" first came into public prominence after James Hanson testified before a Congressional Committee about it, which also happened to occur in 1988.

So these terms have been with us lo the past quarter of a century and anyone who's paid the slightest attention will be aware of this, which tells us that your relatives have not been paying attention.

It's not rocket science, global warming occurs when the concentration of C02 in our atmosphere is pushed upward by burning fossil fuels, which emit this gas from combustion. In 1850, about the time the industrial revolution began, the concentration of C02 in the atmosphere was right about 280 parts per million (ppm), and today it's at 395ppm, the result of burning fossil fuels for the past 160 years or so. In fact, today, we are emitting about 30,000 gigatons of this gas each year and its concentration in the atmosphere is rising at the rate of about 2 to 3 ppm per year.

The fact that C02 was at 280ppm in 1850 is known from analysis of air samples trapped in ice cores drilled in Antarctica and Greenland that date back 700,000 years. The fact that it's at 395ppm today is known from analysis of air samples taken on Mauna Loa in Hawaii on a continuing basis.

The average temperature of the earth's surface has increased about one degree C since 1850 and is rising at the rate of .2C degrees per decade today.

A warmer atmosphere gives rise to changes in climate, which go beyond mere temp increases to include affects on our weather such as more frequent and more intense storm activity, loss of precipitation in some regions and gains in others, and more drought, more flooding, and more wildfires.

A warmer atmosphere also causes ice to melt, both among the world's mid-latitude glaciers and in our polar and Greenland ice sheets. This produces rises in sea levels. A higher concentration of atmospheric C02 gives rise to greater acidity in our oceans because the seas absorb a good deal of the C02 we emit. Greater oceanic acidity kills corals and makes life much more difficult for crustaceans and interferes with a degrades the ability of phytoplankton to produce oxygen.

Climate is average weather over a minimum of a 30-year period, a distinction made by the World Meteorological Society.

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Re: Fahrenheit 104 (40 degrees C)

#23  Postby theropod » Jul 03, 2012 5:42 pm

Folks, I've never seen anything like the heat and drought that north central Arkansas is currently experiencing. I hasn't rained anything worth a shit since late April. Trees are dying, or going dormant, by the thousands around us.

I just finished looking at my local doppler radar and there's an outside chance we'll see some rain. All the 4th of July events are pretty much canceled around here. I've heard the one they put on down at Greers Ferry will still go on, but that's in the middle of a nice big lake.


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I'm SSE from Mountain Home about 40 air miles. The storm forming to the west of Stone county holds promise. It's a sad thing that I get this excited over a storm that probably won't even get here.

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Re: Fahrenheit 104 (40 degrees C)

#24  Postby Dudely » Jul 03, 2012 6:13 pm

So basically we're fucked. Awesome.
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Re: Fahrenheit 104 (40 degrees C)

#25  Postby FACT-MAN-2 » Jul 03, 2012 7:03 pm

Dudely wrote:So basically we're fucked. Awesome.

The truth is we're more fucked than almost anyone realizes or knows.

The baseline was set forth in the IPCC's 4th Assessment Report, published in 2007, which illustrated some very bad consequences that would occur by the year 2100. In the intervening five years, however, the whole arena of climate prognostication has been thrown into what amounts to a tizzy because things aren't unfolding quite as smoothly as had been anticipated in that report and scientists are having a devil of a time getting a handle on just how things are going to go and how fast things will change. There's now a tremendous amount of uncertainty as to the pace of things and the manner in which certain feedback loops will come into play and muck things up even worse than had been expected.

The IPCC is slated to publish its 5th Assessment Report in late 2013 and early 2014 and that's going to give us a very interesting look ahead over the coming 50 years and what climatologists will be expecting to occur in that time frame. It doesn't appear that it'll be a very pretty picture.

Overall, our climate system has become more unstable than ever and appears to be reaching a point where predictions are awfully hard to make because we don't know enough about how an unstable climate system will or might behave or how the collective impact and interaction of many feedbacks will create ever worsening conditions. It is becoming a huge ball of snakes and impossible to predict with much certainty on hardly any front or in any aspect.

But one thing's for sure, the stable climate we've enjoyed over the past 10,000 years is fast becoming a thing of the past and the shape of its future behavior is becoming murkier and less predictable by the day. The odds are we're going to have a very disturbed climate system on our hands in about a decade, with incalculable consequences that will send civilization as we've known it into sheer turmoil and dislocation and disruption at almost every turn.

I's not going to be a very fun time to be among the living.
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Re: Fahrenheit 104 (40 degrees C)

#26  Postby Macdoc » Jul 03, 2012 7:34 pm

Serious element of truth in "we're fucked" tho we still can adapt.
In my view there is no political will to stay below 4 degrees C by the end of the century and that will be a very changed world.

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Re: Fahrenheit 104 (40 degrees C)

#27  Postby FACT-MAN-2 » Jul 03, 2012 9:32 pm

Macdoc wrote:Serious element of truth in "we're fucked" tho we still can adapt.

In my view there is no political will to stay below 4 degrees C by the end of the century and that will be a very changed world.

Not only is there no political will to stay below a 4C rise by 2100 there's no political will to do much of anything, although there is a groundswell occurring in some sub-national jurisdictions and some national jurisdictions have taken steps to curb emissions, as in Australia for example and in US cities that have passed resolutions demanding that the national government do something.

But that's just one side of the coin, the other side is represented in the corporations that comprise the fossil fuel industry, which work hard to prevent or quell whatever political will might arise to take action. So there's a tug of war going on, between incipient political will and corporate recalcitrance, and so far the latter has held the sway. How long it can continue to do so is an open question, although we know they're on the losing end and will eventually be forced by circumstances to change their ways.

Adapting to a changed and ever changing climate represents a very difficult row to hoe because of the scope of affects, which will impact everything humans do, whether growing food or running an economy. Adapting would require a good deal of planning and very close unbiased management of whatever efforts might be undertaken, things that governments are not good at and which are anathema to market economics. And with national indebtedness now standing at record levels throughout most of the world it's hard to see where the financing would come from to support adaptive efforts.

For example, we might find that national power grids, which are already largely antiquated, won't withstand higher average temps very well and become disconcertingly unreliable. So what does it cost to rebuild these grids to make them able to operate reliably in higher temp regimes? $Billions? $Trilions? And 20 years in the doing?

Adaptation appears to be a road that's fraught with exceedingly difficult propositions.

Meanwhile, we're also being warned that the biosphere may well be approaching some sort of environmental "tipping point" that will wreak havoc on ecosystems and their flora and fauna and make a mockery of biospheric stability, to wit:


Earth Tipping Point Study In Nature Journal Predicts Disturbing And Unpredictable Changes

Posted: 06/07/2012 11:36 am Updated: 06/07/2012 11:20 pm
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Earth is rapidly headed toward a catastrophic breakdown if humans don't get their act together, according to an international group of scientists.

Writing Wednesday (June 6) in the journal Nature, the researchers warn that the world is headed toward a tipping point marked by extinctions and unpredictable changes on a scale not seen since the glaciers retreated 12,000 years ago.

"There is a very high possibility that by the end of the century, the Earth is going to be a very different place," study researcher Anthony Barnosky told LiveScience. Barnosky, a professor of integrative biology from the University of California, Berkeley, joined a group of 17 other scientists to warn that this new planet might not be a pleasant place to live.

"You can envision these state changes as a fast period of adjustment where we get pushed through the eye of the needle," Barnosky said. "As we're going through the eye of the needle, that's when we see political strife, economic strife, war and famine." [Top 10 Ways to Destroy Earth]

The danger of tipping
Barnosky and his colleagues reviewed research on climate change, ecology and Earth's tipping points that break the camel's back, so to speak. At certain thresholds, putting more pressure on the environment leads to a point of no return, Barnosky said. Suddenly, the planet responds in unpredictable ways, triggering major global transitions.

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And all of this together arises from our insistence on continuing to run, or trying to run, a growth oriented economy that's from the 17th century, an economy that's deeply entrenched and unable to change its ways in any fundamental manner that would allow us to proceed forward in any sensible fashion. Adapting to a climate that's 4 degrees C warmer on average could most assuredly not be done successfully in this economic context.

We may, and let us emphasize may, be afforded one last chance to changeup to a modern economic schema in which emissions could be reduced to the radical degree they must be reduced if we're to avoid some very disturbing consequences that will make life as we've known it essentially impossible to carry on in any sort of meaningful way. This involves a process of modernization in which both governance and economy are completely transmogrified to reflect our knowledge of both climate change and resource use and the kind of social justice that we know is necessary to sustaining stable societies.

One last chance, and time's a-wastin' ...
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Re: Fahrenheit 104 (40 degrees C)

#28  Postby LucidFlight » Jul 03, 2012 10:10 pm

Fahrenheit 104. They'll make a film about this, one day.
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Re: Fahrenheit 104 (40 degrees C)

#29  Postby Macdoc » Jul 03, 2012 10:46 pm

wrong forum duh
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Re: Fahrenheit 104 (40 degrees C)

#30  Postby theropod » Jul 03, 2012 10:55 pm

? Macdoc ?

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Re: Fahrenheit 104 (40 degrees C)

#31  Postby Macdoc » Jul 03, 2012 11:44 pm

Posted in the wrong spot something about motorcycles
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Re: Fahrenheit 104 (40 degrees C)

#32  Postby mcgruff » Jul 04, 2012 7:49 pm

Dudely wrote:So basically we're fucked. Awesome.


It gets worse I'm afraid. Somewhere between one-third and one-half of all species are predicted to become extinct, and a similar level of biodiversity will not be restored for (probably) all of the rest of human history.

It's OK really though coz Exxonmobil CEO Rex Tillerson says we can easily adapt to climate change.
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Re: Fahrenheit 104 (40 degrees C)

#33  Postby FACT-MAN-2 » Jul 04, 2012 8:39 pm

mcgruff wrote:
Dudely wrote:So basically we're fucked. Awesome.


It gets worse I'm afraid. Somewhere between one-third and one-half of all species are predicted to become extinct, and a similar level of biodiversity will not be restored for (probably) all of the rest of human history.

It's OK really though coz Exxonmobil CEO Rex Tillerson says we can easily adapt to climate change.

Of course, Tillerson is a fool with a vested interest who has no clue what he's talking about. It's just lies, lies and more lies.

We've just about beaten the planet to death and now we're on a fast track to cook what's left. There will be no "adapting" to a nearly dead and badly fried and dessicated planet.

Tillerson should be among the first we string up when stringin' up time comes.
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Re: Fahrenheit 104 (40 degrees C)

#34  Postby mcgruff » Jul 04, 2012 8:49 pm

Forgot to post this link where Kirchner discusses his paper:

http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/jan2002/2002-01-03-07.asp

"If we substantially diminish biodiversity on Earth, we can't expect the biosphere to just bounce back. It doesn't do that. The process of diversification is too slow," Kirchner said. "The planet would be biologically depleted for millions of years, with consequences extending not only beyond the lives of our children's children, but beyond the likely lifespan of the entire human species."


... and the paper itself:

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v404/n6774/abs/404177a0.html
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Re: Fahrenheit 104 (40 degrees C)

#35  Postby johnbrandt » Jul 05, 2012 12:51 am

Record cold temperatures here...it all evens out...if you truly look at global temperatures and not just a few localised areas, as us heathen heretic denidiot people are repeatedly told...

40 degrees C? Hell, it can be that for long periods here in summer in some places...
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Re: Fahrenheit 104 (40 degrees C)

#36  Postby Steve » Jul 05, 2012 2:09 am

johnbrandt wrote:Record cold temperatures here...it all evens out...if you truly look at global temperatures and not just a few localised areas, as us heathen heretic denidiot people are repeatedly told...

40 degrees C? Hell, it can be that for long periods here in summer in some places...


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Re: Fahrenheit 104 (40 degrees C)

#37  Postby FACT-MAN-2 » Jul 05, 2012 2:50 am

Steve wrote:
johnbrandt wrote:Record cold temperatures here...it all evens out...if you truly look at global temperatures and not just a few localised areas, as us heathen heretic denidiot people are repeatedly told...

40 degrees C? Hell, it can be that for long periods here in summer in some places...


And how does your garden grow?

What JB's missing in his argument is that Earth's mean annual surface temperature has been rising and is continuing to rise on a now well established trend of .2C per decade.

This added heat in the atmosphere gives rise to intensified weather, more and longer droughts, more and heavier torrential downpours, more storm activity, more shifting in traditional atmospheric oscillations and jet streams. In turn, that gives rise to wildfires.

Right now, the US from Colorado East to the Atlantic seaboard is sweltering in a heat wave that's killed 25 people so far and has seen several thousand new high temp records set, against hardly any new lows. This heat wave is generally unprecedented, especially at this time of year. What's causing it? The Atlantic Oscillation has shifted, blocking a high pressure system and that's hungup over the middle region of the country and preventing it from moving off the continent, as they usually do.

The shift in the Atlantic Oscillation is most likely something that was induced by warming, models predict such shifts.

In this way one can say that this heat wave has indeed been caused by global warming, but not so much because the planet itself has warmed but rather how that warming has affected traditional atmospheric circulations, which in turn affects the movement of highs and lows through the lower atmosphere. You get a huge high pressure system sitting over America's middle that can't move or move very well and it just sits there, you are going to have a heat wave. And high temps will sustain as long as that high pressure system sits there with nowhere to go. Eventually, the pressure zone that's keeping it where it is will erode and then give way and that high will move along, although this might take weeks.

So yes, JB, it does all just even out, but it evens out at a higher average temperature.

And in fact, for the first time in a very long time, probably hundreds of thousands of years, the average temperature of Earth's land surface now exceeds 50F.
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Re: Fahrenheit 104 (40 degrees C)

#38  Postby FACT-MAN-2 » Jul 05, 2012 6:22 am

"A collision course with extreme weather ..."

I thought this was a timely read:


Strategies for a Changing Planet: Awareness

We're on a collision course with extreme weather -- it's time to acknowledge that, and to prepare

By David RobertsPosted 06.08.2012 at 11:29 am
http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2 ... -get-ready

Climate change is already happening, and it's time to get ready. Here's how we could adjust our most basic needs--food, water, shelter--to survive.

There is no longer any question of preventing climate change. Some 98 percent of working climate scientists agree that the atmosphere is already warming in response to human greenhouse-gas emissions, and the most recent research suggests that we are on a path toward what were once considered “worst case” scenarios.

How much warmer must it get before things really go to hell? “Climate sensitivity” remains a subject of intense investigation, and what counts as hellish is a matter of judgment, but United Nations climate negotiators have settled on a goal to limit atmospheric carbon dioxide to 450 parts per million, which would cause the global mean temperature to peak no more than 3.6°F above preindustrial levels. If it gets much hotter than that, we will most likely be confronted by levels of drought and severe storms for which humanity has no precedent. That sounds bad enough—and indeed, postindustrial temperatures have already risen by as much as 1.6°—but there’s increasing reason to believe, as James Hansen and many other climate scientists do, that severe effects will arrive well below 450 ppm, and possibly below today’s level of 396 ppm. Danger is much closer than we thought.

We will almost certainly blow past 3.6° in any case. One recent study found that the average global temperature would rise another 3.2° by the end of the century even if human carbon emissions dropped to zero tomorrow, a scenario that is, of course, extremely unlikely. Simply limiting the temperature rise to twice the “safe” level would require heroic, sustained global effort, a level of ambition that appears nowhere in evidence. And if humanity does nothing to restrain climate pollution, the trajectory it’s on right now could carry the rise to as much as 10° within the century.

We no longer have a choice about whether to confront major changes already in the works. By the end of this century, sea levels will rise, drought will spread, and millions of animals, human and otherwise, will be driven from their homes. Scientists call the process of preparing for these changes “adaptation,” but a more apt term can be found in the tech world: ruggedizing. Greater extremes require tougher, more resilient societies.

In 2009, researchers from the University of Oxford, the Tyndall Center for Climate Change Research and the U.K. Met Office Hadley Center organized a conference on what a change of 7.2° or greater might look like—oddly, one of the first concerted scientific examinations of the impacts of temperatures that high. Here are some of the results: 7.2°, which could conceivably arrive as early as 2060, would mean a planet that was hotter than at any time in the past 10 million years. By 2100, sea levels would rise by as much as six feet, leaving hundreds of millions of the world’s coast-dwellers homeless, even as huge swaths of the ocean itself became “dead zones.” Glaciers and coral reefs would largely vanish from the planet.

It may be possible to weather this onslaught if we begin preparing now, by building low-carbon, high-density cities away from the coasts, radically improving the efficiency of water and energy systems, boosting local and global emergency-response capacities, and adjusting to a less consumption- and waste-oriented lifestyle. But although humans are an ingenious species, some changes simply exceed any realistic capacity for adaptation. The real threat, the existential threat, is that climate change will gain so much momentum that humanity loses what remaining power it has to slow or stop it, even by reducing carbon emissions to zero. If change becomes self-sustaining, our children and grandchildren will inherit an atmosphere irreversibly out of control, with inexorably rising temperatures that could, according to one recent study, render half of Earth’s currently occupied land uninhabitable—literally too hot to bear—by 2300.

These are only scenarios spit out by climate models; there’s no way to predict exactly what will happen. It might be tempting to seize on uncertainty as reason to wait and see. Why prepare if we don’t know exactly what we’re preparing for? But the uncertainties in the science of climate impacts—and they are legion—make the future more perilous, not less. Things look bad, and if there’s a chance they could turn out better than expected, there’s also a chance they could turn out worse. Out on the “long tail” of the probability curve, there are small but not insignificant chances for damages that are, for all practical purposes, unlimited. For instance, if several of the world’s major land-based ice sheets melt, we could see a 40-foot rise in sea levels within centuries.

These are stark and discomfiting findings. Above all, they suggest that global temperature should be held as low as is still possible, at virtually any cost. But they also make clear that some changes are inevitable. We no longer have a choice between mitigating climate change and adapting to climate change. We must do both.

When we talk about adaptation, we often imagine accommodating a specific new set of conditions; a temperate place gets too hot, a cold place gets temperate, so we move our farms around and get on with it. But we simply do not know, and most likely will not for some time, what particular temperature we are bound for, or whether there will ever again be a stable temperature. It is not a specific set of conditions but uncertainty itself to which we must adapt.

Even as we remain flexible, we will have to think and work on a very large scale. Major infrastructure projects—highways, dams, levies, electrical transmission lines, trains and subways—represent investments meant to pay off over generations. The New York City subway system is more than 100 years old. Today there’s a nontrivial chance that much of Manhattan will be under water in 100 years. How do we invest in the future when it has become so cloudy and threatening? As the stories in this series report, scientists and engineers already have many excellent (and some less than excellent) answers. It can be done. But the time to do it is now.

But of course we know it isn't going to be done "now," or even any time soon.

What's striking to me about this piece is the revelation that climate experts and researchers from the University of Oxford, the Tyndall Center for Climate Change Research and the U.K. Met Office Hadley Center organized a conference in 2009 on what a change of 7.2° or greater might look like—oddly, one of the first concerted scientific examinations of the impacts of temperatures that high, which begs the question, do they know something we don't?

Why would these people think it necessary to examine the effects of such a gargantuan increase in Earth's mean annual temperature? Keep in mind that the IPCC's worst case scenario for the year 2100 was a SIX degree rise over the preindustrial norm in their last Assessment Report, AR4, published in 2007.

I don't know about others, but I follow this stuff pretty closely and have for the past 20-odd years and I seem to be seeing a trend in what climate scientists are telling us, a trend toward the worse. This appears to be driven by the fact that things are unfolding at a much more rapid pace than anyone thought they would ten years ago, or even five years ago. There have been a number of reports in recent months that point in this direction, first by the Club of Rome, which predicted that temps projected by the IPCC for the year 2100 could actually be upon us as early as 2050 or 2060, and second by a report that came out of Australia some weeks past in which climate researchers at the University of New South Wales predicted that the Earth will become largely uninhabitable by humans within 300 years.

Those are stark projections, they mean that a) we might see something far greater than the 3.6 degrees C that United Nations climate negotiators have settled on as a goal and b) that toasty time could be sufficiently severe as to become an extinction event for Homo Sapiens.

Whoa! :o

Something is happening, Mr. Jones, but you don't know what it is.

We may get some answers in the IPCC's 5th Assessment Report, which is currently being developed and written and is slated for publication next year and in early 2014 (this is a multiple volume report and one volume at least will be published in late 2013, with the remaining volumes following in early 2014). This will be a momentous report in any case but if the IPCC's process leads to similar conclusions it'll be a blockbuster without question.

It does sort of figure that a blockbuster of that kind is in the works and in our future's, because things will continue to go downhill and at some point the news is just going to be flat devastating.

UN SECGEN Ban Ki Moon said three years ago that we'll have to go to a "war footing" if we hope to reduce emissions by any appreciable degree. What does "war footing' mean? It means governments taking over their economies and running them on a single-issue dedicated basis, which could well include nationalization of energy production.

Interestingly, there is precedent for this kind of thing because the US did exactly this when it came into War II, it took command of the economy and ran it for one purpose ... to win the war. The law was called "total conscription" and it made any economic activity that didn't contribute to the war effort illegal. In effect, the government drafted the economy.

And this is what Ban Ki Moon meant.

And it might well come to this again sometime in the next several years (I'd say by 2020) if we continue to ignore the problem and persist in doing next to nothing about it. A moment will come when leaders are presented with the cold hard facts and evidence that a disaster of historical proportions looms on the not too distant horizon if they don't act to cut emissions to near zero and do so within a decade or less.

It's hard to imagine them deciding to do nothing when faced with that kind of scenario.

The coming decade is going to prove to be the most interesting decade in the entire history of our species. I don't see how it could be anything less. Things are building to a head and that head is going to be unlike anything we've ever seen or even contemplated or dreamed of, an entirely new world could emerge as we get dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century.
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Re: Fahrenheit 104 (40 degrees C)

#39  Postby FACT-MAN-2 » Jul 05, 2012 6:23 am

"A collision course with extreme weather ..."

I thought this was a timely read:


Strategies for a Changing Planet: Awareness

We're on a collision course with extreme weather -- it's time to acknowledge that, and to prepare

By David RobertsPosted 06.08.2012 at 11:29 am
http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2 ... -get-ready

Climate change is already happening, and it's time to get ready. Here's how we could adjust our most basic needs--food, water, shelter--to survive.

There is no longer any question of preventing climate change. Some 98 percent of working climate scientists agree that the atmosphere is already warming in response to human greenhouse-gas emissions, and the most recent research suggests that we are on a path toward what were once considered “worst case” scenarios.

How much warmer must it get before things really go to hell? “Climate sensitivity” remains a subject of intense investigation, and what counts as hellish is a matter of judgment, but United Nations climate negotiators have settled on a goal to limit atmospheric carbon dioxide to 450 parts per million, which would cause the global mean temperature to peak no more than 3.6°F above preindustrial levels. If it gets much hotter than that, we will most likely be confronted by levels of drought and severe storms for which humanity has no precedent. That sounds bad enough—and indeed, postindustrial temperatures have already risen by as much as 1.6°—but there’s increasing reason to believe, as James Hansen and many other climate scientists do, that severe effects will arrive well below 450 ppm, and possibly below today’s level of 396 ppm. Danger is much closer than we thought.

We will almost certainly blow past 3.6° in any case. One recent study found that the average global temperature would rise another 3.2° by the end of the century even if human carbon emissions dropped to zero tomorrow, a scenario that is, of course, extremely unlikely. Simply limiting the temperature rise to twice the “safe” level would require heroic, sustained global effort, a level of ambition that appears nowhere in evidence. And if humanity does nothing to restrain climate pollution, the trajectory it’s on right now could carry the rise to as much as 10° within the century.

We no longer have a choice about whether to confront major changes already in the works. By the end of this century, sea levels will rise, drought will spread, and millions of animals, human and otherwise, will be driven from their homes. Scientists call the process of preparing for these changes “adaptation,” but a more apt term can be found in the tech world: ruggedizing. Greater extremes require tougher, more resilient societies.

In 2009, researchers from the University of Oxford, the Tyndall Center for Climate Change Research and the U.K. Met Office Hadley Center organized a conference on what a change of 7.2° or greater might look like—oddly, one of the first concerted scientific examinations of the impacts of temperatures that high. Here are some of the results: 7.2°, which could conceivably arrive as early as 2060, would mean a planet that was hotter than at any time in the past 10 million years. By 2100, sea levels would rise by as much as six feet, leaving hundreds of millions of the world’s coast-dwellers homeless, even as huge swaths of the ocean itself became “dead zones.” Glaciers and coral reefs would largely vanish from the planet.

It may be possible to weather this onslaught if we begin preparing now, by building low-carbon, high-density cities away from the coasts, radically improving the efficiency of water and energy systems, boosting local and global emergency-response capacities, and adjusting to a less consumption- and waste-oriented lifestyle. But although humans are an ingenious species, some changes simply exceed any realistic capacity for adaptation. The real threat, the existential threat, is that climate change will gain so much momentum that humanity loses what remaining power it has to slow or stop it, even by reducing carbon emissions to zero. If change becomes self-sustaining, our children and grandchildren will inherit an atmosphere irreversibly out of control, with inexorably rising temperatures that could, according to one recent study, render half of Earth’s currently occupied land uninhabitable—literally too hot to bear—by 2300.

These are only scenarios spit out by climate models; there’s no way to predict exactly what will happen. It might be tempting to seize on uncertainty as reason to wait and see. Why prepare if we don’t know exactly what we’re preparing for? But the uncertainties in the science of climate impacts—and they are legion—make the future more perilous, not less. Things look bad, and if there’s a chance they could turn out better than expected, there’s also a chance they could turn out worse. Out on the “long tail” of the probability curve, there are small but not insignificant chances for damages that are, for all practical purposes, unlimited. For instance, if several of the world’s major land-based ice sheets melt, we could see a 40-foot rise in sea levels within centuries.

These are stark and discomfiting findings. Above all, they suggest that global temperature should be held as low as is still possible, at virtually any cost. But they also make clear that some changes are inevitable. We no longer have a choice between mitigating climate change and adapting to climate change. We must do both.

When we talk about adaptation, we often imagine accommodating a specific new set of conditions; a temperate place gets too hot, a cold place gets temperate, so we move our farms around and get on with it. But we simply do not know, and most likely will not for some time, what particular temperature we are bound for, or whether there will ever again be a stable temperature. It is not a specific set of conditions but uncertainty itself to which we must adapt.

Even as we remain flexible, we will have to think and work on a very large scale. Major infrastructure projects—highways, dams, levies, electrical transmission lines, trains and subways—represent investments meant to pay off over generations. The New York City subway system is more than 100 years old. Today there’s a nontrivial chance that much of Manhattan will be under water in 100 years. How do we invest in the future when it has become so cloudy and threatening? As the stories in this series report, scientists and engineers already have many excellent (and some less than excellent) answers. It can be done. But the time to do it is now.

But of course we know it isn't going to be done "now," or even any time soon.

What's striking to me about this piece is the revelation that climate experts and researchers from the University of Oxford, the Tyndall Center for Climate Change Research and the U.K. Met Office Hadley Center organized a conference in 2009 on what a change of 7.2° or greater might look like—oddly, one of the first concerted scientific examinations of the impacts of temperatures that high, which begs the question, do they know something we don't?

Why would these people think it necessary to examine the effects of such a gargantuan increase in Earth's mean annual temperature? Keep in mind that the IPCC's worst case scenario for the year 2100 was a SIX degree rise over the preindustrial norm in their last Assessment Report, AR4, published in 2007.

I don't know about others, but I follow this stuff pretty closely and have for the past 20-odd years and I seem to be seeing a trend in what climate scientists are telling us, a trend toward the worse. This appears to be driven by the fact that things are unfolding at a much more rapid pace than anyone thought they would ten years ago, or even five years ago. There have been a number of reports in recent months that point in this direction, first by the Club of Rome, which predicted that temps projected by the IPCC for the year 2100 could actually be upon us as early as 2050 or 2060, and second by a report that came out of Australia some weeks past in which climate researchers at the University of New South Wales predicted that the Earth will become largely uninhabitable by humans within 300 years.

Those are stark projections, they mean that a) we might see something far greater than the 3.6 degrees C that United Nations climate negotiators have settled on as a goal and b) that toasty time could be sufficiently severe as to become an extinction event for Homo Sapiens.

Whoa! :o

Something is happening, Mr. Jones, but you don't know what it is. :scratch:

We may get some answers in the IPCC's 5th Assessment Report, which is currently being developed and written and is slated for publication next year and in early 2014 (this is a multiple volume report and one volume at least will be published in late 2013, with the remaining volumes following in early 2014). This will be a momentous report in any case but if the IPCC's process leads to similar conclusions it'll be a blockbuster without question.

It does sort of figure that a blockbuster of that kind is in the works and in our future's, because things will continue to go downhill and at some point the news is just going to be flat devastating.

UN SECGEN Ban Ki Moon said three years ago that we'll have to go to a "war footing" if we hope to reduce emissions by any appreciable degree. What does "war footing' mean? It means governments taking over their economies and running them on a single-issue dedicated basis, which could well include nationalization of energy production.

Interestingly, there is precedent for this kind of thing because the US did exactly this when it came into War II, it took command of the economy and ran it for one purpose ... to win the war. The law was called "total conscription" and it made any economic activity that didn't contribute to the war effort illegal. In effect, the government drafted the economy.

And this is what Ban Ki Moon meant.

And it might well come to this again sometime in the next several years (I'd say by 2020) if we continue to ignore the problem and persist in doing next to nothing about it. A moment will come when leaders are presented with the cold hard facts and evidence that a disaster of historical proportions looms on the not too distant horizon if they don't act to cut emissions to near zero and do so within a decade or less.

It's hard to imagine them deciding to do nothing when faced with that kind of scenario.

The coming decade is going to prove to be the most interesting decade in the entire history of our species. I don't see how it could be anything less. Things are building to a head and that head is going to be unlike anything we've ever seen or even contemplated or dreamed of, an entirely new world could emerge as we get dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century.
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Re: Fahrenheit 104 (40 degrees C)

#40  Postby Dudely » Jul 05, 2012 12:45 pm

On the plus side crazy weather is really fun to watch!
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