Fallible wrote:'Has-been' doesn't mean what you think it does, either. I mean what a fucking stupid definition - 'someone has done something before'. Everyone's a has-been, then.
Obviously, the context I was talking about refers to presidencial candidacy. Have you tried running for presidency and failed that you can now be classified as a "has been" too?
God. What a mess this election is. A reject (Hillary) vs another reject (Trump) and you guys are saying this is the best election ever with the most qualified candidate ever winning it.
The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently. -Nietzsche
quas wrote:God. What a mess this election is. A reject (Hillary) vs another reject (Trump) and you guys are saying this is the best election ever with the most qualified candidate ever winning it.
Fine essay by attorney and author John W. Whitehead...
... Politics is entertainment.
It is a heavily scripted, tightly choreographed, star-studded, ratings-driven, mass-marketed, costly exercise in how to sell a product—in this case, a presidential candidate—to dazzled consumers who will choose image over substance almost every time.
This year’s presidential election, much like every other election in recent years, is what historian Daniel Boorstin referred to as a “pseudo-event”: manufactured, contrived, confected and devoid of any intrinsic value save the value of being advertised. It is the end result of a culture that is moving away from substance toward sensationalism in an era of mass media.
As author Noam Chomsky rightly observed, “It is important to bear in mind that political campaigns are designed by the same people who sell toothpaste and cars.” In other words, we’re being sold a carefully crafted product by a monied elite who are masters in the art of making the public believe that they need exactly what is being sold to them, whether it’s the latest high-tech gadget, the hottest toy, or the most charismatic politician. ...
... Politics is a reality show, America’s favorite form of entertainment, dominated by money and profit, imagery and spin, hype and personality and guaranteed to ensure that nothing in the way of real truth reaches the populace. ...
... With roughly 22 lobbyists per Congressman, corporate greed will continue to call the shots in the nation’s capital, while our elected representatives will grow richer and the people poorer. And elections will continue to be driven by war chests and corporate benefactors rather than such values as honesty, integrity and public service. Just consider: it’s estimated that more than $5 billion will be spent on the elections this year, yet not a dime of that money will actually help the average American in their day-to-day struggles to just get by. ...
I am fine with marketing products, so long as the product being sold is a good product. But this is definitely an inferior product being hyped as the best ever. Kinda like Oreo. The world no.1 best-selling cookie that everyone loves even though you can't taste any chocolate in it and it actually tastes like burnt wtf. More than just a hyped-up shit, Oreo epitomises everything that is wrong with this world. And now, we have an Oreo set to be president.
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The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently. -Nietzsche
I think Obama was the Oreo, black on the outside and white on the inside.
A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other way. - Mark Twain The sky is falling! The sky is falling! - Chicken Little I never go without my dinner. No one ever does, except vegetarians and people like that - Oscar Wilde
quas wrote:God. What a mess this election is. A reject (Hillary) vs another reject (Trump) and you guys are saying this is the best election ever with the most qualified candidate ever winning it.
Fine essay by attorney and author John W. Whitehead...
A fine article indeed. A fine example of what can be expected from regular contributors to Alex Jones' Info Wars and Prison Planet, and occasional guest of Glenn Beck.
The three common threads running through any dialogue, by people like Whitehead, Alex Jones', Glenn Beck, and people like you, Crank, Willie71, and Tegue that post and repeat the Whitehead-Jones-Beck type of nonsense are paranoia, paranoia, and more paranoia. One other thing that you all seem to have in common is that you are, by other metrics, smart enough to know better.
So what's gone wrong with you fellows? Why do you seem to see conspiracy everywhere you look? Why are you so fucking sure and settled in your extreme beliefs that anyone that doesn't agree with you is deemed brainwashed, drank the koolaide, took the blue pill? You guys have oh so many cute buzz words/phrases and I'm not going to list all that I can think of, suffice it to say that you all have in common a belief that you are by default of having your weird beliefs much smarter than everyone else.
Michael Shermer tries to address questions like these in his Why Intelligent People Believe Weird Things:excerpt. But first he tries to explain what he considers "weird things" believed by intelligent people and he doe it thus:
1) A claim unaccepted by most people in that particular field of study,
2) a claim that is either logically impossible or highly unlikely, and/or
3) a claim for which the evidence is largely anecdotal and uncorroborated.
The weird things that you guys fall-for/firmly-believe-in fit somewhat into all three categories, but I'd say mostly in the third. As in your weird things you all go for are not really accepted by most people in any serious way, they are highly unlikely except in your fevered imaginations, and they are not just largely, but almost exclusively anecdotal and uncorroborated.
I'll add one more common weird thing that you all believe in:
4) "They".
"They", usually meaning some kind of shadow government, One World Order, Bilderberg Group, the all powerful far left, the all powerful far right, the establishment, the 1%, the DNC, or any other secret society or group that is plotting against you, "the people", and or the rest of the world.
You can mix and match any number of bogeyman secret organizations to fit your paranoia, but you always have and need a "They". As in "they" are trying to take our freedoms away, "they" rigged the economy, "they" control the media, they rigged the election, "they" are building FEMA camps, "they" are building towards a police state, "they" pick the president, "they" blew up the Twin Towers, "they" staged the Boston Bombing, "they" staged the Sandy Hook, "they" want to shut down music sharing the internet...
They, they, they, they... Some nebulous multi-tasking all powerful enemy of "the people" is out there and "they" must be exposed and fought to the death, if not in the streets then, on the internet.
Willie71 seems to like throwing around Dunning-Kruger at people that disagree with him, apparently in its correct form of the unskilled not being able to understand their own lack of skill or understanding. But there is a flip side to Dunning-Kruger and that is skilled individuals that have the "intellectual" capability to convince themselves that they are far more skilled and have a greater understanding than they actually posses, and with this comes the "intellectual" ability to rationalize, justify, and confirm their biases/beliefs, no matter how weird they are.
There is nothing so absurd that some philosopher will not say it - Cicero.
Traditionally these are questions for philosophy, but philosophy is dead - Stephen Hawking
laklak wrote:I think Obama was the Oreo, black on the outside and white on the inside.
Barack Obama's mother and father
Oreo? How about vanilla-chocolate pudding? Chocolate-vanilla, Chocolate chip ice cream? Or how about "Uncle Tom"? I'm sure they are all great ways to describe a complex man of 54 years born to an woman of English heritage and a father from Kenya in Hawaii in 1961 that became president of the United States.
Maybe it was some sort of humorous quip, but it's a stupid fucking thing to say.
There is nothing so absurd that some philosopher will not say it - Cicero.
Traditionally these are questions for philosophy, but philosophy is dead - Stephen Hawking
A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other way. - Mark Twain The sky is falling! The sky is falling! - Chicken Little I never go without my dinner. No one ever does, except vegetarians and people like that - Oscar Wilde
quas wrote:I am fine with marketing products, so long as the product being sold is a good product. But this is definitely an inferior product being hyped as the best ever. Kinda like Oreo. The world no.1 best-selling cookie that everyone loves even though you can't taste any chocolate in it and it actually tastes like burnt wtf. More than just a hyped-up shit, Oreo epitomises everything that is wrong with this world. And now, we have an Oreo set to be president.
The best ever chocolate cream biscuit, which Oreo is a very distant ancestor was " Desert " biscuit made by Arnots. That's the equivalent of comparison between say, Abe And Trumpster and Clinton.
quas wrote:I am fine with marketing products, so long as the product being sold is a good product. But this is definitely an inferior product being hyped as the best ever. Kinda like Oreo. The world no.1 best-selling cookie that everyone loves even though you can't taste any chocolate in it and it actually tastes like burnt wtf. More than just a hyped-up shit, Oreo epitomises everything that is wrong with this world. And now, we have an Oreo set to be president.
Except I love Oreo cookies.
Fear is a choice you embrace Your only truth Tribal poetry Witchcraft filling your void Lust for fantasy Male necrocracy Every child worthy of a better tale
quas wrote:God. What a mess this election is. A reject (Hillary) vs another reject (Trump) and you guys are saying this is the best election ever with the most qualified candidate ever winning it.
Fine essay by attorney and author John W. Whitehead...
A fine article indeed. A fine example of what can be expected from regular contributors to Alex Jones' Info Wars and Prison Planet, and occasional guest of Glenn Beck.
The three common threads running through any dialogue, by people like Whitehead, Alex Jones', Glenn Beck, and people like you, Crank, Willie71, and Tegue that post and repeat the Whitehead-Jones-Beck type of nonsense are paranoia, paranoia, and more paranoia. One other thing that you all seem to have in common is that you are, by other metrics, smart enough to know better.
So what's gone wrong with you fellows? Why do you seem to see conspiracy everywhere you look? Why are you so fucking sure and settled in your extreme beliefs that anyone that doesn't agree with you is deemed brainwashed, drank the koolaide, took the blue pill? You guys have oh so many cute buzz words/phrases and I'm not going to list all that I can think of, suffice it to say that you all have in common a belief that you are by default of having your weird beliefs much smarter than everyone else.
Michael Shermer tries to address questions like these in his Why Intelligent People Believe Weird Things:excerpt. But first he tries to explain what he considers "weird things" believed by intelligent people and he doe it thus:
1) A claim unaccepted by most people in that particular field of study,
2) a claim that is either logically impossible or highly unlikely, and/or
3) a claim for which the evidence is largely anecdotal and uncorroborated.
The weird things that you guys fall-for/firmly-believe-in fit somewhat into all three categories, but I'd say mostly in the third. As in your weird things you all go for are not really accepted by most people in any serious way, they are highly unlikely except in your fevered imaginations, and they are not just largely, but almost exclusively anecdotal and uncorroborated.
I'll add one more common weird thing that you all believe in:
4) "They".
"They", usually meaning some kind of shadow government, One World Order, Bilderberg Group, the all powerful far left, the all powerful far right, the establishment, the 1%, the DNC, or any other secret society or group that is plotting against you, "the people", and or the rest of the world.
You can mix and match any number of bogeyman secret organizations to fit your paranoia, but you always have and need a "They". As in "they" are trying to take our freedoms away, "they" rigged the economy, "they" control the media, they rigged the election, "they" are building FEMA camps, "they" are building towards a police state, "they" pick the president, "they" blew up the Twin Towers, "they" staged the Boston Bombing, "they" staged the Sandy Hook, "they" want to shut down music sharing the internet...
They, they, they, they... Some nebulous multi-tasking all powerful enemy of "the people" is out there and "they" must be exposed and fought to the death, if not in the streets then, on the internet.
Willie71 seems to like throwing around Dunning-Kruger at people that disagree with him, apparently in its correct form of the unskilled not being able to understand their own lack of skill or understanding. But there is a flip side to Dunning-Kruger and that is skilled individuals that have the "intellectual" capability to convince themselves that they are far more skilled and have a greater understanding than they actually posses, and with this comes the "intellectual" ability to rationalize, justify, and confirm their biases/beliefs, no matter how weird they are.
Fallible wrote:She's basically 70 fucking years old, FFS. Sarah Palin is 20 years younger.
quas is right though she is no Palin. You can tell by the fact that she isn't a drooling moron preaching hate.
And she is banging for her age. Edit: Actually she is pretty banging for a lot of ages.
It's Palin's eyes that do it - that weird, vacantness of no having a fucking clue when she talks. Like her mouth and brain aren't connected but she never seems like she understands what she's talking about. It's like she memorised a speach but is clueless about the details of it lol
Out of 200 million people, and your best candidate is Clinton (just because she is no Trump). God help us all.
"Out of 200 million people..." you could say that about pretty much any candidate. Including Bernie Sanders.
Sanders is the perfect candidate out of who wants the job, or who's prepared to do the job. I'm not sure how many politicians have marached, been arrested, chained themselves to a black woman and fought for people his entire political career. So it appears there's a reversal here in who wants voters like you who can't see it when it's in front of their own eyes?
At least he would've got money out of politics. Some people arouind here don't think that's really important though.
What exactly would Sanders accomplish if elected? Oh it would be a fine moral and ethical stand to see such a "perfect" guy in office but at the end of the day what exactly would he get done? He's shown in his time in congress that he's not really all that great at compromising (actually I'm sure that's part of what makes you think he's so perfect) and getting things done.
So please do tell, with some modicum of understanding of how the US federal government and specifically the presidency functions, what exactly you think Bernie Sanders will do?
Putting favorable justices on the Supreme Court might have once upon a time been the one thing he could do but now even that seems unlikely as the GOP has shown a willingness to not even hold hearings on justices when it's not to their benefit and Bernie sure as fuck isn't going to negotiate with them on that.
Rachel Bronwyn wrote:A huge portion of the country danced and cheered extensively and they weren't even involved.
How could you not smile over involvement in something extremely dangerous and difficult, which when executed accomplishes it's goal without losing any of your own team members?
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