Large convoy of ISIS fighters allowed to leave Syrian city

aliihsanasl · **#21** by **aliihsanasl** » Aug 19, 2016 12:31 am

Oldskeptic wrote:
aliihsanasl wrote:
Oldskeptic wrote:
aliihsanasl wrote:US Official:Large convoy of ISIS fighters allowed to leave Syrian city

Oh thank you USA, we were out of Islamist extremists but tell Germany that you're pushing them to north because our other ally blaming us to be “the central platform of action for Islamist groups”

Turkey asks for explanation from Germany over ‘Islamist platform’ claims

What's with the fucking attitude? You expect that US backed forces should have left ISIS in control of Manbij or that they should have drone bombed them on the road along with an unknown number of hostages/civilians?

I'm old enough to know USA's attitude when it serve their interest, they call their bombs smart bombs which can target with super effectiveness and accuracy. And if there is still any civilian casualty there is always an option to say "we should sacrifice a few innocent lives to clean a large group of bloody radical Islamist terrorists"

So the sacrifice of innocent lives is what you would want in this case?

Your position from where I sit is pathetic. You condemn the US for using "smart" bombs that cause civilian causalities in some circumstances but then condemn them for not intentionally killing innocent civilians in this case.

Am I missing something here?

I never condemned them for not killing civilians, I'm condemning them for being here. They criticize Russia, Iran, Syria, Iraq and Turkey for being dictatorship and we say we're happy with our dictator neighbours, naming yourself democrat and all others dictatorship you clearly don't belong here.

And stop that WMD, world security, international law bullshit. USA and its puppet country Israel in the region have no respect for int.law, civilian life and most of the regional countries are tired of their hypocrisies.

Bernoulli · **#22** by **Bernoulli** » Aug 19, 2016 2:36 am

Oldskeptic wrote:
aliihsanasl wrote:US Official:Large convoy of ISIS fighters allowed to leave Syrian city

WASHINGTON D.C. -- A couple hundred vehicles of Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) fighters were allowed to leave the northern Syrian city of Manbij as U.S.-backed forces seized the town in recent days because the militants had civilians with them, according to a U.S. military official.

The official said Tuesday that some of the ISIS fighters may have already made their way into Turkey, but many are still in Syria. The official was not authorized to discuss the matter publicly so spoke on condition of anonymity.

Oh thank you USA, we were out of Islamist extremists but tell Germany that you're pushing them to north because our other ally blaming us to be “the central platform of action for Islamist groups”

Turkey asks for explanation from Germany over ‘Islamist platform’ claims

What's with the fucking attitude? You expect that US backed forces should have left ISIS in control of Manbij or that they should have drone bombed them on the road along with an unknown number of hostages/civilians?

You seem to get butthurt every time someone criticises something you hold dear. "The fucking attitude"? He's written a couple of sentences about a country. I'm pretty sure a country doesn't need you burring up on behalf of it. :roll:

Oldskeptic · **#23** by **Oldskeptic** » Aug 19, 2016 3:30 am

Bernoulli wrote:
Oldskeptic wrote:
aliihsanasl wrote:US Official:Large convoy of ISIS fighters allowed to leave Syrian city

WASHINGTON D.C. -- A couple hundred vehicles of Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) fighters were allowed to leave the northern Syrian city of Manbij as U.S.-backed forces seized the town in recent days because the militants had civilians with them, according to a U.S. military official.

The official said Tuesday that some of the ISIS fighters may have already made their way into Turkey, but many are still in Syria. The official was not authorized to discuss the matter publicly so spoke on condition of anonymity.

Oh thank you USA, we were out of Islamist extremists but tell Germany that you're pushing them to north because our other ally blaming us to be “the central platform of action for Islamist groups”

Turkey asks for explanation from Germany over ‘Islamist platform’ claims

What's with the fucking attitude? You expect that US backed forces should have left ISIS in control of Manbij or that they should have drone bombed them on the road along with an unknown number of hostages/civilians?

You seem to get butthurt every time someone criticises something you hold dear. "The fucking attitude"? He's written a couple of sentences about a country. I'm pretty sure a country doesn't need you burring up on behalf of it.

For fuck sake those damn crickets are everywhere these days.

Weaver · **#24** by **Weaver** » Aug 19, 2016 3:51 am

aliihsanasl wrote:
Oldskeptic wrote:
aliihsanasl wrote:
Oldskeptic wrote:

What's with the fucking attitude? You expect that US backed forces should have left ISIS in control of Manbij or that they should have drone bombed them on the road along with an unknown number of hostages/civilians?

I'm old enough to know USA's attitude when it serve their interest, they call their bombs smart bombs which can target with super effectiveness and accuracy. And if there is still any civilian casualty there is always an option to say "we should sacrifice a few innocent lives to clean a large group of bloody radical Islamist terrorists"

So the sacrifice of innocent lives is what you would want in this case?

Your position from where I sit is pathetic. You condemn the US for using "smart" bombs that cause civilian causalities in some circumstances but then condemn them for not intentionally killing innocent civilians in this case.

Am I missing something here?

I never condemned them for not killing civilians, I'm condemning them for being here. They criticize Russia, Iran, Syria, Iraq and Turkey for being dictatorship and we say we're happy with our dictator neighbours, naming yourself democrat and all others dictatorship you clearly don't belong here.

And stop that WMD, world security, international law bullshit. USA and its puppet country Israel in the region have no respect for int.law, civilian life and most of the regional countries are tired of their hypocrisies.

Yeah, fuck it, we should have just let Assad carry on using nerve agent against civilians who happened to live in areas where people sick of his repression were fighting against his ground forces.

Maybe while we're at it we can let go of our attempts to keep Turkey civilized and let you carry out your war against the Kurds like you did with the Armenians. Then those peace-loving Russians and Iranians can come in and show you all how to be good little puppets. Hopefully it will go better for you than it did for Crimea and Georgia.

I'd not gloat too fast, though - the Kurds in Iraq are getting a lot of good combat experience, to bolster their already-excellent fighting skills. They'll kick your asses if you don't watch out.

Bernoulli · **#25** by **Bernoulli** » Aug 19, 2016 4:10 am

This is just empty rhetoric. The US military and leadership doesn't give a fuck about anyone gassing anyone around the world (as long as it is on a small scale). They don't give a fuck about the Kurds past any benefits they can get out of it. You don't think anyone actually buys this bullshit any more, do you?

Macdoc · **#26** by **Macdoc** » Aug 19, 2016 4:49 am

US policy in the lead up to both World Wars.

and the "Indian Wars" aka genocide ...in theory and in practice

Cthulhu's Trilby · **#27** by **Cthulhu's Trilby** » Aug 19, 2016 10:13 am

tuco wrote:You can always intervene if shit hits the fan.

When exactly does that point come? German tanks rolling into the Sudetenland? Korean forces cross the 38th Parallel?

In the real world things aren't that simple.

proudfootz · **#28** by **proudfootz** » Aug 19, 2016 1:34 pm

Bernoulli wrote:This is just empty rhetoric. The US military and leadership doesn't give a fuck about anyone gassing anyone around the world (as long as it is on a small scale). They don't give a fuck about the Kurds past any benefits they can get out of it. You don't think anyone actually buys this bullshit any more, do you?

The US backed our good friend Saddam Hussein when he was gassing Kurdish civilians and the use of sarin against Iranian soldiers - it's just convenient now to pretend it's all of a sudden a bad thing.

proudfootz · **#29** by **proudfootz** » Aug 19, 2016 1:43 pm

Cthulhu's Trilby wrote:
tuco wrote:You can always intervene if shit hits the fan.

When exactly does that point come? German tanks rolling into the Sudetenland? Korean forces cross the 38th Parallel?

In the real world things aren't that simple.

Godwin FTW!

But I think Kim Jong-un's determination to defend Korea has pretty much extinguished hopes of another invasion from the south.

Cthulhu's Trilby · **#30** by **Cthulhu's Trilby** » Aug 19, 2016 2:17 pm

proudfootz wrote:
Cthulhu's Trilby wrote:
tuco wrote:You can always intervene if shit hits the fan.

When exactly does that point come? German tanks rolling into the Sudetenland? Korean forces cross the 38th Parallel?

In the real world things aren't that simple.

Godwin FTW!

But I think Kim Jong-un's determination to defend Korea has pretty much extinguished hopes of another invasion from the south.

I don't think Godwin's Law applies when you're actually talking about WW2.

proudfootz · **#31** by **proudfootz** » Aug 19, 2016 2:25 pm

Cthulhu's Trilby wrote:
proudfootz wrote:
Cthulhu's Trilby wrote:
tuco wrote:You can always intervene if shit hits the fan.

When exactly does that point come? German tanks rolling into the Sudetenland? Korean forces cross the 38th Parallel?

In the real world things aren't that simple.

Godwin FTW!

But I think Kim Jong-un's determination to defend Korea has pretty much extinguished hopes of another invasion from the south.

I don't think Godwin's Law applies when you're actually talking about WW2.

My bad. I thought I was posting in a thread about ISIS in Syria. :oops:

Cthulhu's Trilby · **#32** by **Cthulhu's Trilby** » Aug 19, 2016 2:30 pm

proudfootz wrote:My bad. I thought I was posting in a thread about ISIS in Syria.

Never mind. You're up to speed now and that's all that matters.

Cthulhu's Trilby · **#33** by **Cthulhu's Trilby** » Aug 19, 2016 2:58 pm

Bernoulli wrote:This is just empty rhetoric. The US military and leadership doesn't give a fuck about anyone gassing anyone around the world (as long as it is on a small scale). They don't give a fuck about the Kurds past any benefits they can get out of it. You don't think anyone actually buys this bullshit any more, do you?

I think you're wrong here. I think it's quite unlikely that vast swathes of people simply don't care. It's a bit more nuanced than that isn't it? It's a bit like saying people don't care about Syrian refugees because they haven't gone down to Turkey, picked up a family of refugees and brought them back to live in the spare room. It's very easy to care and still do nothing about it - half the world does it every day.

The case of Assad gassing a village of Syrians is even more nuanced. The US leadership definitely cares about that, but you're right in a sense - not because of the people who died (or at least not necessarily) - because the use of chemical weapons has to be treated harshly to prevent others from getting the idea they can use them with impunity and thus creating strategic and terrorist threats.

aliihsanasl · **#34** by **aliihsanasl** » Aug 19, 2016 3:26 pm

The only problem of Syria is the foreign countries who claim that they think and care about Syrians more than Syrian politicians. Assad wasn't gassing his citizens a few years ago, after Egypt and Libya their turn arrived in the project.

There is a YouTube video which Erdogan saying "I'm the co-chairman of greater middle east project" between 2005 - 2007 34 times in different occasions. In the end he understood that his fate won't be bright in that project and changed his mind but he shared crimes of those who planned that project and I hope someday will pay a price but USA has a tendency to push their own crimes on their partners so I believe he'll pay more than he deserve.

Cthulhu's Trilby · **#35** by **Cthulhu's Trilby** » Aug 19, 2016 3:29 pm

aliihsanasl wrote:Assad wasn't gassing his citizens a few years ago, after Egypt and Libya their turn arrived in the project.

Just imprisoning, torturing and killing his opposition?

Bernoulli · **#36** by **Bernoulli** » Aug 20, 2016 1:48 am

proudfootz wrote:
Cthulhu's Trilby wrote:
proudfootz wrote:
Cthulhu's Trilby wrote:

When exactly does that point come? German tanks rolling into the Sudetenland? Korean forces cross the 38th Parallel?

In the real world things aren't that simple.

Godwin FTW!

But I think Kim Jong-un's determination to defend Korea has pretty much extinguished hopes of another invasion from the south.

I don't think Godwin's Law applies when you're actually talking about WW2.

My bad. I thought I was posting in a thread about ISIS in Syria.

aliihsanasl · **#37** by **aliihsanasl** » Aug 20, 2016 1:28 pm

Cthulhu's Trilby wrote:
aliihsanasl wrote:Assad wasn't gassing his citizens a few years ago, after Egypt and Libya their turn arrived in the project.

Just imprisoning, torturing and killing his opposition?

True just like Iraq's Saddam but in the post so called democratisation process every week or month there is another suicide bomb attack which tens of people lost their lives.

What are we really discussing here ? Who gave you the right to overthrow Saddam regime and decide the fate of Iraqi people ?
Especially when there are lots of reports that the intervention was illegal and Iraqi people who collaborated are unhappy with the new situation how can you still defend it ?

Evidence of US war crimes in Iraq recorder by 100s of organizations

USA trying to rationalize their intervention in Syria over ISIS when ISIS is a result of their illegal intervention in Iraq. That's exactly what they did in Turkey in the past 6 years. They were ordering Gulenists to arrest journalists ( Ahmet Sık, Nedim Şener) or Kurds with KCK operations or Islamist such as Cübbeli Ahmet Hoca or secular military staff all the time Erdogan openly rejected these unlawful arrests but as if he's doing or supporting it foreign media especially USA having pressure on him.

And when you ask how can someone have that much support when he crush seculars, kurds and Islamists at the same time answeris easy "he's dictator people are afraid of him" :yuk:

The only way for some of the Americans to understand what's going on in our countries is to get together and "bring democracy" to USA, its turning into a police state people aren't safe while driving their car or even walking on the street, you need some democracy too.

Have you seen this one, its telling a lot if my words aren't enough.

Wilbur · **#38** by **Wilbur** » Aug 20, 2016 1:44 pm

Saim wrote:How dare the US avoid killing innocent people!

I'm normally extremely critical of US foreign policy but on this one they seem to have got it right.

They let the bad guys take the hostages with them, how is that good policy? Probably some ISIS commanders the US couldn't afford to lose. Reminds me of the airlift of evil.

Wilbur · **#39** by **Wilbur** » Aug 20, 2016 1:50 pm

More details of the event finally emerged in the 2008 book Descent into Chaos by the investigative journalist Ahmed Rashid:[8]

One senior (U.S.) intelligence analyst told me, "The request was made by Musharraf to Bush, but Cheney took charge — a token of who was handling Musharraf at the time. The approval was not shared with anyone at State, including Colin Powell, until well after the event. Musharraf said Pakistan needed to save its dignity and its valued people. Two planes were involved, which made several sorties a night over several nights. They took off from air bases in Chitral and Gilgit in Kashmir's Northern Areas, and landed in Kunduz, where the evacuees were waiting on the tarmac. Certainly hundreds and perhaps as many as one thousand people escaped. Hundreds of ISI officers, Taliban commanders, and foot soldiers belonging to the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan and Al Qaeda personnel boarded the planes. What was sold as a minor extraction turned into a major air bridge. The frustrated U.S. SOF who watched it from the surrounding high ground dubbed it "Operation Evil Airlift."

Another senior U.S. diplomat told me afterward, "Musharraf fooled us because after we gave approval, the ISI may have run a much bigger operation and got out more people. We just don't know. At the time nobody wanted to hurt Musharraf, and his prestige with the army was at stake. The real question is why Musharraf did not get his men out before. Clearly the ISI was running its own war against the Americans and did not want to leave Afghanistan until the last moment."

In one of Hillary Clintons emails, discussing the senate report on the Tora Bora escape of Bin Laden, Sidney Blumenthal talks about the Kunduz airlift as being ordered by Cheney/Rumsfeld. [13]

Gary Berntsen, the head of the CIA armed operation in eastern Afghanistan, is a major source for the report. I am in contact with him and have heard his entire story at length, key parts of which are not in his book, "Jawbreaker," or in the Senate report. In particular, the story of the Kunduz airlift of the bulk of key AQ and Taliban leaders, at the request of Musharaff and per order Cheney/Rumsfeld, is absent.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kunduz_airlift

james1v · **#40** by **james1v** » Aug 21, 2016 2:06 am

aliihsanasl wrote:The only problem of Syria is the foreign countries who claim that they think and care about Syrians more than Syrian politicians. Assad wasn't gassing his citizens a few years ago, after Egypt and Libya their turn arrived in the project.

There is a YouTube video which Erdogan saying "I'm the co-chairman of greater middle east project" between 2005 - 2007 34 times in different occasions. In the end he understood that his fate won't be bright in that project and changed his mind but he shared crimes of those who planned that project and I hope someday will pay a price but USA has a tendency to push their own crimes on their partners so I believe he'll pay more than he deserve.

somewhere, along the line we all call free thinking, you've gone astray. Seriously. Have you got a gun to your head? Have the security forces taken over your account? Threatened your family and put words in your mouth?

What the fuck of a turnaround of thinking "Erdogan thinks hes a Caliph," to thinking he is, and supporting him!

How did this happen? :scratch:

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