After listening to this fellow's last interview, it would seem to be in character for him to brandish a weapon at law enforcement as his 'right' without considering their right to protect themselves from him.

Like any Kamikaze pilot or suicide bomber, he was ready to become a 'martyr'.

The video...
The initial report I read was accurate.
The guy flees a stop, there's a roadblock ahead, he swerves to go around it and hits the snowbank. It looks like he hits someone coming onto the snowbank.

He comes out of the truck with his hands up and then reaches for his waist. Gets popped from the side and falls down

Edit: put unedited video with arrest of the other passengers.

I don't root for anyone getting shot, but this guy did a lot of stuff wrong. On top of that his selfish idiocy put the lives of the people in the truck at risk.

Looks like he wanted a shootout, maybe taking some cops with him. It was hard to see but it looked like he had his hands out in a "stay back" stance, went for his gun and got shot. It wasn't vague movement toward his waist from what I could see, but it looked like he couldn't pull the gun out, like it was stuck. Sad that it came to this. In his mind he was a hero, but to everyone else, a misguided right winger who died for no reason. I'm glad he didn't hurt anyone else, assuming he didn't hit someone as he went into the snow bank.

He totally drew on them.

I mean did he really think he could outrun the cops even if he got past the roadblock? And the chopper/plane? Doesn't he watch cop chases on tv? Where could he go out in the middle of nowhere?

Suicide by cop. Too bad, better he spent years in jail.

ETA. Yeah he damn near did run someone down.

Very clear case of suicide by cop. From the moment he exits the vehicle he appears to be taunting the cops to shoot him - then he makes it necessary by making bold, aggressive moves like an attempt to draw a weapon. The second time he tries he gets shot.

It should be noted that the cops worked to save his life after shooting him, and after making sure there were no other threats from the armed occupants of the vehicle. Good sign of professionalism there.

I don't know what I'm looking at or when to look where so I'm relying on other people's observations. I'm not seeing an unarmed man on his knees with his hands up being executed, that's for sure.

Seeing nothing to blame the LEOs for there and everything to blame the "militia". They could've exited the vehicle first time they stopped, they ran.

At the roadblock, they very nearly hit someone. The guy immediately fled the vehicle and made no obvious sign of surrender and reaching for your waist when the cop's know that you have repeatedly said you aren't going to jail, that if they point guns at you, to expect violence, is only going to get one result.

This bearing in mind that at this point, there are other likely armed people in the car who have expressed similar intentions. He got shot down because he posed an immediate risk to LEOs. Stated in advance and by his actions on the scene.

The others in the vehicle, despite what appeared to be further shots fired, chose to surrender, appeared to follow instructions and were not shot. Due to the dangerous situation, any first aid which might have saved the life of the guy shot was delayed by over 10 minutes but it appeared to be being attempted when it was safe to do so.

I'm sure there's potential for improvement on what happened, such as maybe a dog at the roadblock to take down the fleeing guy but you go with what's available and what the situation presents. Looked like the LEOs did a good job in the circumstances.

Rachel Bronwyn wrote:I don't know what I'm looking at or when to look where so I'm relying on other people's observations. I'm not seeing an unarmed man on his knees with his hands up being executed, that's for sure.

Here are some basic things to do if you don't want to get shot by a police officer.
Don't hold a weapon.

If you're stopped after a chase, roll down the window, slowly put your empty hands up and out the window showing you have nothing in your hands. When asked to exit, open the vehicle door with one hand while keeping the other hand raised. When you exit the vehicle keep your hands raised and follow the officers orders. Don't grab for your waist suddenly, it will appear you are going for a gun.

Also, don't get in a chase in the first place.

Also, don't be black. That alone is enough for a fearful cop to shoot you.

It looked like there was a dog at the roadblock, in the aftermath. Why not have an ambulance there I wonder? Not only for the suspects but for officers involved who may have been injured.

The_Piper wrote:It looked like there was a dog at the roadblock, in the aftermath. Why not have an ambulance there I wonder? Not only for the suspects but for officers involved who may have been injured.

I wouldn't, if I were the on-scene commander. I wouldn't put my medical people within range of their weapons.

The_Metatron wrote:

The_Piper wrote:It looked like there was a dog at the roadblock, in the aftermath. Why not have an ambulance there I wonder? Not only for the suspects but for officers involved who may have been injured.

I wouldn't, if I were the on-scene commander. I wouldn't put my medical people within range of their weapons.

Good point. Do you suppose there were some nearby? It looks like the middle of nowhere.

Hard to say if they were on site. I'd be surprised if they weren't close by, though.

Some of the FBI were likely EMT's as well.

But it took way too long for the bobos friends to get the fuck out of the vehicle so they could move in.

Onyx8 wrote:Some of the FBI were likely EMT's as well.

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I didn't think of that possibility.

Onyx8 wrote:Some of the FBI were likely EMT's as well.

But it took way too long for the bobos friends to get the fuck out of the vehicle so they could move in.

Yep, there's a clear 10 minutes from him being shot to anyone going near him due to having to clear the car and it's occupants. Anyone who takes any notice knows, if I see what I consider to excessive or unwarranted force used, I'm all over it like a rash but unless a dash cam with sound comes along full of unprofessional audio or something, what is shown appears to be perfectly reasonable so far.

The_Piper wrote:It looked like there was a dog at the roadblock, in the aftermath. Why not have an ambulance there I wonder? Not only for the suspects but for officers involved who may have been injured.

This all depends how long they had to prepare the roadblock, how practical it is to have ambulances covering each route out of the place 24/7 just in case etc.
As Jesse points out though, I wouldn't be wanting to put an ambulance crew anywhere near the scene until all the shooting is over. If you consider the weapons these guys had available to them, there could have been a monster shoot out.

Willie71 wrote:Also, don't be black. That alone is enough for a fearful cop to shoot you.

Indeed. If these guys had been white, the police wouldn't even have pulled them over.

Oh wait.

...in almost a month.