No certainty terror offenders can be 'cured'

GrahamH · **#41** by **GrahamH** » Jan 03, 2020 6:05 pm

aufbahrung wrote:
There's a lot like me. The silent majority even. All it needs is a few weeks food shortages to bring them to bloom. I consider myself as one of the first drops of a new reign.

Are you self-identifying as a would be stormtrooper dreaming of a new fascist state?

aufbahrung · **#42** by **aufbahrung** » Jan 03, 2020 6:20 pm

GrahamH wrote:
aufbahrung wrote:
There's a lot like me. The silent majority even. All it needs is a few weeks food shortages to bring them to bloom. I consider myself as one of the first drops of a new reign.

Are you self-identifying as a would be stormtrooper dreaming of a new fascist state?

Too much hard work. I self-identify with the guy making money in wartime by selling dodgy anti-biotics. Call me a fascist?

Spearthrower · **#43** by **Spearthrower** » Jan 03, 2020 6:46 pm

aufbahrung wrote:
Spearthrower wrote:The forum expert on how to tyrannically imprison parts of your populace along ethno-religious lines in hypothetical wars.

You should put this expertise on your C.V.

There's a lot like me.

There's a lot of people who think they're experts on imprisoning parts of a nation's populace along ethno-religious lines in hypothetical wars?

I very much doubt it... but if perchance it were true, we already have a collective noun for such a group: fucking morons.

aufbahrung wrote:The silent majority even.

Then shuddup already. This site is for rational skepticism, not half-baked bullshit conspiracy claptrap made up by ignoramuses.

aufbahrung wrote: All it needs is a few weeks food shortages to bring them to bloom.

A few weeks food shortage is not going to bring anyone to bloom - it's going to cause faintness, hypotension, weakness and eventually organ failure.

aufbahrung wrote: I consider myself as one of the first drops of a new reign.

I consider you delusional. One of those Special Me types that seem to revel in anonymity online where they can pretend they're worth a wazz.

aufbahrung wrote: Might be, though, all I want to do is survive when they do come to bloom and the real me is quite good, would even help those with a innocent spiel...no matter their otherness or origin.

Go and take your medicine.

Spearthrower · **#44** by **Spearthrower** » Jan 03, 2020 6:47 pm

aufbahrung wrote:Call me a fascist?

aufbahrung wrote:The question remains what to do when a third of the worlds population is on a mad world conquest binge and a third in denial that it's really happening?

aufbahrung wrote:In a war situation that involved a terror nation perhaps internment of suspects or known knowns for the duration of the war might be the lesser evil. All rotten eggs in one basket?

Fascist.

aufbahrung · **#45** by **aufbahrung** » Jan 03, 2020 7:31 pm

Spearthrower wrote:
aufbahrung wrote:Call me a fascist?

aufbahrung wrote:The question remains what to do when a third of the worlds population is on a mad world conquest binge and a third in denial that it's really happening?

aufbahrung wrote:In a war situation that involved a terror nation perhaps internment of suspects or known knowns for the duration of the war might be the lesser evil. All rotten eggs in one basket?

Fascist.

The human mind needs to simplify I guess. I do it and you return the favor. But I ain't no fascist by the definition. If I was given the option though at a big league title in the genre....power with no limit....I'd regret missing the chance. :think:

Spearthrower · **#46** by **Spearthrower** » Jan 03, 2020 7:36 pm

aufbahrung wrote:
The human mind needs to simplify I guess.

Must be hard for you to imagine how a functioning human mind operates.

aufbahrung wrote: I do it and you return the favor. But I ain't no fascist by the definition. If I was given the option though at a big league title in the genre....power with no limit....I'd regret missing the chance.

Why not try typing in random words with only the barest nod toward standard English syntax?

Oh wait, you did.

tuco · **#47** by **tuco** » Jan 03, 2020 7:42 pm

Out of curiosity aufbahrung, and I ask because I ask the same question in various contexts, how do you envision what you believe in could be materialized in reality?

Because from where I sit, regardless of how I value judge your opinion, I just do not see it happening anytime soon. I see rather the opposite. While we can observe a kind of radicalization of a relatively small number of population, and we can talk about possible causes for such radicalization, in general, human rights and democracy are thriving.

And if you cannot propose a realistic plan, how to get from what we have now to what you envision, well, to me its just a cool story and I am willing to vote about it.

aufbahrung · **#48** by **aufbahrung** » Jan 03, 2020 8:01 pm

tuco wrote:Out of curiosity aufbahrung, and I ask because I ask the same question in various contexts, how do you envision what you believe in could be materialized in reality?

Because from where I sit, regardless of how I value judge your opinion, I just do not see it happening anytime soon. I see rather the opposite. While we can observe a kind of radicalization of a relatively small number of population, and we can talk about possible causes for such radicalization, in general, human rights and democracy are thriving.

And if you cannot propose a realistic plan, how to get from what we have now to what you envision, well, to me its just a cool story and I am willing to vote about it.

One word 'petrodollar' should provide the heavy lift necessary. Imagine if the price got well out of hand for some reason? Mess up the substrate of the trough keeping the sheep docile. And then all I have to do is join the most likely populist party to win power from the coming chaos and start my climb to dominance. I shall obviously need some luck. But I can make that.

Spearthrower · **#49** by **Spearthrower** » Jan 03, 2020 8:14 pm

Let's not hold our breath...

You apparently haven't even managed to watch some Youtube videos on the Simulation Theory you were espousing would overturn all knowledge:

http://www.rationalskepticism.org/nonth ... l#p2720133

aufbahrung wrote:I'll come back to this thread in three weeks when I've had time to think through my thoughts on the subject fully.

Posted on Nov 10, 2019

Rumraket · **#50** by **Rumraket** » Jan 03, 2020 8:25 pm

aufbahrung wrote:The human mind needs to simplify I guess. I do it and you return the favor. But I ain't no fascist by the definition. If I was given the option though at a big league title in the genre....power with no limit....I'd regret missing the chance.

And you have just no issue with the fact that your position seems to be based entirely on fear and lies. You have no real principles, and would trade away things like human rights, freedom and equality under the law, for some perceived gain in your sense of security, because of the utterly fatuous lie that "a third of the worlds population is on a mad world conquest binge"?

You would throw away the presumption of innocence until proven guilty in a court of law, deliberately discriminate against certain religious, ethnic, and political groups(institute explicitly racist policies, for bigoted reasons), and incarcerate people you have no idea whether are guilty of any crime, torture them so you can use it as a tool for propaganda into scaring others while you attempt to launch an international campaign of ethnic cleansing, just to satisfy your personal need to feel more powerful and more safe.

tuco · **#51** by **tuco** » Jan 03, 2020 8:41 pm

@aufbahrung> Imagine indeed. You are not the only one, I guess, but it is yet to be seen how many are there. Particularly interested how those in control of petrodollar like the idea of chaos, because there is no telling what comes out of it, and business likes stability by nature. Anyway, thanks for the answer, and .. imagine.

aufbahrung · **#52** by **aufbahrung** » Jan 03, 2020 10:46 pm

tuco wrote:@aufbahrung> Imagine indeed. You are not the only one, I guess, but it is yet to be seen how many are there. Particularly interested how those in control of petrodollar like the idea of chaos, because there is no telling what comes out of it, and business likes stability by nature. Anyway, thanks for the answer, and .. imagine.

They've tried to control it for wars and wars. This doesn't mean they can. Beyond a certain point it is out of human hands. Hyperinflation of all the major fiat currencies linked to the greenback. Not saying local answers to a global currency collapse wont be found, but they'll only allow local trade. The human species is on the cusp of a population drawdown. It will be sudden and linked in with all this. I'm not a miracle worker here, no cure from me, what I find unusual is that people can't see the writing on the wall. Too busy planting imaginary flags on Mars I guess?

Anyway that's off-topic for this thread. I'll start another one with all my doomladen musings in one place, later. So you can keep hope I'll try to suggest directions for the distracted also...

Cito di Pense · **#53** by **Cito di Pense** » Jan 03, 2020 11:11 pm

aufbahrung wrote:Too busy planting imaginary flags on Mars I guess?

We don't need all those surplus people to get us to Mars.

aufbahrung · **#54** by **aufbahrung** » Jan 03, 2020 11:19 pm

Cito di Pense wrote:
aufbahrung wrote:Too busy planting imaginary flags on Mars I guess?

We don't need all those surplus people to get us to Mars.

ha! my thinking also, we are agreed the drawdown must be controlled so that quality infrastructure/personal are available for the trek?

Cito di Pense · **#55** by **Cito di Pense** » Jan 03, 2020 11:23 pm

aufbahrung wrote:what I find unusual is that people can't see the writing on the wall.

We see the writing. It's gibberish. That's on you.

Cito di Pense · **#56** by **Cito di Pense** » Jan 03, 2020 11:26 pm

aufbahrung wrote:
Cito di Pense wrote:
aufbahrung wrote:Too busy planting imaginary flags on Mars I guess?

We don't need all those surplus people to get us to Mars.

ha! my thinking also, we are agreed the drawdown must be controlled so that quality infrastructure/personal are available for the trek?

Must be? If you're not proposing controls, shut the fuck up. If you are, nobody's listening carefully, so you may as well shut the fuck up.

Spearthrower · **#57** by **Spearthrower** » Jan 04, 2020 3:55 am

Cito di Pense wrote:
aufbahrung wrote:what I find unusual is that people can't see the writing on the wall.

We see the writing. It's gibberish. That's on you.

And it's written in urine.

aufbahrung · **#58** by **aufbahrung** » Jan 04, 2020 9:38 am

Spearthrower wrote:
Cito di Pense wrote:
aufbahrung wrote:what I find unusual is that people can't see the writing on the wall.

We see the writing. It's gibberish. That's on you.

And it's written in urine.

I've never been wrong after the event though no one notices. :popcorn:

Cito di Pense · **#59** by **Cito di Pense** » Jan 04, 2020 11:11 am

aufbahrung wrote:
Spearthrower wrote:
Cito di Pense wrote:
aufbahrung wrote:what I find unusual is that people can't see the writing on the wall.

We see the writing. It's gibberish. That's on you.

And it's written in urine.

I've never been wrong after the event though no one notices.

You're blowing it out of your arse, again:

Spearthrower wrote:

http://www.rationalskepticism.org/nonth ... l#p2720133

aufbahrung wrote:I'll come back to this thread in three weeks when I've had time to think through my thoughts on the subject fully.

Posted on Nov 10, 2019

Three weeks have come and gone, despite your prediction of being back in three weeks.

tuco · **#60** by **tuco** » Jan 04, 2020 11:34 am

aufbahrung wrote:
tuco wrote:@aufbahrung> Imagine indeed. You are not the only one, I guess, but it is yet to be seen how many are there. Particularly interested how those in control of petrodollar like the idea of chaos, because there is no telling what comes out of it, and business likes stability by nature. Anyway, thanks for the answer, and .. imagine.

They've tried to control it for wars and wars. This doesn't mean they can. Beyond a certain point it is out of human hands. Hyperinflation of all the major fiat currencies linked to the greenback. Not saying local answers to a global currency collapse wont be found, but they'll only allow local trade. The human species is on the cusp of a population drawdown. It will be sudden and linked in with all this. I'm not a miracle worker here, no cure from me, what I find unusual is that people can't see the writing on the wall. Too busy planting imaginary flags on Mars I guess?

Anyway that's off-topic for this thread. I'll start another one with all my doomladen musings in one place, later. So you can keep hope I'll try to suggest directions for the distracted also...

Yes its off-topic, I was just curious. When I hear what I consider phantasmagoria, phantasmagoria I dont like or fear, I wonder how could we get there so I ask. The answer I usually get is like the one you gave .. imagine. So I am not worried. I would be if I was presented with a realistic plan but that has not happened yet.

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