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Re: Obama declares airstrikes on ISIS.

#41  Postby Galaxian » Aug 09, 2014 3:10 pm

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President Barack Obama said he had authorised US air strikes to blunt the onslaught of Islamist militants in northern Iraq and began airdrops of supplies to besieged religious minorities to prevent a “potential act of genocide.” ...
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/mi ... -1.1891226
Good.

Don't believe a word of it. ISIS is the surrogate army of the US, UK, NATO, Israel, Saudi, Qatar, etc, in the Middle East. That's why they've never threatened Israel.

The few bombs dropped by the F18s are simply for show. Sacrifice a few pawns for effect. It's well known that ISIS has been hugely funded & armed by the above duplicitous, thick as thieves, comrades in arms. :coffee:
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Re: Obama declares airstrikes on ISIS.

#42  Postby ED209 » Aug 09, 2014 3:12 pm

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Re: Obama declares airstrikes on ISIS.

#43  Postby Scot Dutchy » Aug 09, 2014 3:44 pm

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Re: Obama declares airstrikes on ISIS.

#44  Postby Ihavenofingerprints » Aug 09, 2014 4:53 pm

Galaxian wrote:
Animavore wrote:
President Barack Obama said he had authorised US air strikes to blunt the onslaught of Islamist militants in northern Iraq and began airdrops of supplies to besieged religious minorities to prevent a “potential act of genocide.” ...
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/mi ... -1.1891226
Good.

Don't believe a word of it. ISIS is the surrogate army of the US, UK, NATO, Israel, Saudi, Qatar, etc, in the Middle East. That's why they've never threatened Israel.

The few bombs dropped by the F18s are simply for show. Sacrifice a few pawns for effect. It's well known that ISIS has been hugely funded & armed by the above duplicitous, thick as thieves, comrades in arms. :coffee:


No, ISIS are backed by Saudi's who want to make the US look bad by creating a terrorist group that appears to be a surrogate of the US army, to commit crimes against humanity that the US will eventually have to respond to (being friends with Iraqi minorities).

You are pushing the zionest view, are you not an NSA spy?
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Re: Obama declares airstrikes on ISIS.

#45  Postby Peter Brown » Aug 09, 2014 6:48 pm

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Arjan Dirkse wrote:Not sure how it is a wonderful thing for the US to fight ISIS but how it was just damned wrong to unseat Saddam. I don't think ISIS has yet achieved the same body count Saddam has (although of course Saddam had a lot more time to kill people) nor have they slaughtered the amount of people Assad has in Syria.

Do you judge someone's morality purely on body count? Mao is the biggest killer in history, but then no-one else was in charge of so many people. It's not just about time, it's about ability to carry out your policies. What do you imagine their body count would be if they had the same power that Saddam enjoyed? And how would the lives of the ordinary people in the country compare?


I'm not saying I'm necessarily against these air strikes, but I am not sure if I should be in favor of them either. Compare it to the Taliban who are somewhat more similar to ISIS in ideology. Is Afghanistan better off because of our military actions?

Can we destroy ISIS with military actions when we haven't been able to destroy the Taliban? What is being hit exactly, will civilians end up getting hurt because of these military operations, what is the end goal and what will be the ultimate result of these military actions etc Those are important questions nobody knows the answer to right know.


IS has ordinance (small vehicles and artillery) and indeed a form of uniform they wear. This being mentioned by some military chap on the radio last week. The Americans plan is bomb the shit out of the ordinance when a) its on the roads or firing at targets, and then let the Iraq troops do the boots on ground stuff killing civilians if needed. There is no need for the US to do anything more, Iraq has hundreds of thousands of troops, they really don't need the US, but the US is rather good at shock and awe, so it will make the job a bit faster for them.
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Re: Obama declares airstrikes on ISIS.

#46  Postby GT2211 » Aug 10, 2014 3:31 am

Peter Brown wrote:
Arjan Dirkse wrote:
I'm With Stupid wrote:
Arjan Dirkse wrote:Not sure how it is a wonderful thing for the US to fight ISIS but how it was just damned wrong to unseat Saddam. I don't think ISIS has yet achieved the same body count Saddam has (although of course Saddam had a lot more time to kill people) nor have they slaughtered the amount of people Assad has in Syria.

Do you judge someone's morality purely on body count? Mao is the biggest killer in history, but then no-one else was in charge of so many people. It's not just about time, it's about ability to carry out your policies. What do you imagine their body count would be if they had the same power that Saddam enjoyed? And how would the lives of the ordinary people in the country compare?


I'm not saying I'm necessarily against these air strikes, but I am not sure if I should be in favor of them either. Compare it to the Taliban who are somewhat more similar to ISIS in ideology. Is Afghanistan better off because of our military actions?

Can we destroy ISIS with military actions when we haven't been able to destroy the Taliban? What is being hit exactly, will civilians end up getting hurt because of these military operations, what is the end goal and what will be the ultimate result of these military actions etc Those are important questions nobody knows the answer to right know.


IS has ordinance (small vehicles and artillery) and indeed a form of uniform they wear. This being mentioned by some military chap on the radio last week. The Americans plan is bomb the shit out of the ordinance when a) its on the roads or firing at targets, and then let the Iraq troops do the boots on ground stuff killing civilians if needed. There is no need for the US to do anything more, Iraq has hundreds of thousands of troops, they really don't need the US, but the US is rather good at shock and awe, so it will make the job a bit faster for them.

this seems rather debatable. They have hundreds of thousands of troops with little experience or training. And a good portion of them are not fully committed to the cause.

Iraq's army has lost many battles and weapons to the much smaller, yet more strategic ISIS.
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Re: Obama declares airstrikes on ISIS.

#47  Postby GT2211 » Aug 10, 2014 4:06 am

The US really doesn't want involved in this at all. But we have intelligence assets in Irbil so we aren't going to just let ISIS run roughshod right through there. Take out their heavy equipment, they gained and they actually know how to use effectively unlike the Iraqi army and we can slow them down and give the Kurds a chance.
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Re: Obama declares airstrikes on ISIS.

#48  Postby magikrooster » Aug 10, 2014 9:21 am

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We need to accept that there are no shortage of lunatics ready to stick to their word and kill western civilians if countries like the USA step up their presence in the battle.

Don't be a dill. They want to kill you because you via your army have been killing them for years. Why did the australian army go to Iraq of Afghanistan and start killing them. Why do your politicians (and therefore you) support Israel?
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Re: Obama declares airstrikes on ISIS.

#49  Postby Galaxian » Aug 10, 2014 10:08 am

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We need to accept that there are no shortage of lunatics ready to stick to their word and kill western civilians if countries like the USA step up their presence in the battle.

Don't be a dill. They want to kill you because you via your army have been killing them for years. Why did the australian army go to Iraq of Afghanistan and start killing them. Why do your politicians (and therefore you) support Israel?

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Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, so-called ”Caliph,” the head of ISIL (Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant is, according to sources reputed to originate from Edward Snowden, an actor named Elliot Shimon, a Mossad trained operative.
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The so-called “Elliot” was recruited by the Israeli Mossad and was trained in espionage and psychological warfare against Arab and Islamic societies.
This information was attributed to Edward Snowden and published by newspapers and other Web sites: the head of the “Islamic State” Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, has cooperated with the U.S. Secret Service, British and Israel to create an organization capable of attracting terrorist extremists from around the world. ......."
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Re: Obama declares airstrikes on ISIS.

#50  Postby kiore » Aug 10, 2014 11:50 am

So organizations that can false flag entire world events so successfully can't false flag and fabricate to make you look the wrong way a few internet websites? Can they only do big things?
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Re: Obama declares airstrikes on ISIS.

#51  Postby Galaxian » Aug 10, 2014 12:39 pm

kiore wrote:So organizations that can false flag entire world events so successfully can't false flag and fabricate to make you look the wrong way a few internet websites? Can they only do big things?

Hi kiore. There are several problems that they face:
1) They're not perfectly homogenous. There are conflicts within them. Power struggles, some trying their luck.
2) There are dissenters amongst them. Some become dissenters little by little, but stay in the system & disrupt it from within. Such as Snowdon, or Anonymous contributors.
3) There are techie types. For example those who did the Osama fake videos, those that doctored the London bombing videos, & so forth. They left clues in the videos as evidence that they had been forced to doctor the videos (such as the legs going back & forth through railings).
4) Then there are the dumb mistakes, such as the way WTC 1, 2, & 3 came down in a controlled demolition fashion. So that those brave enough to speak out pointed out the mistakes. And stuff like bandanas & passports that floated down, but the indestructible black boxes were supposed to have disappeared. (Infact, they were found but that was denied).
5) But the psychopath self appointed "masters of the universe" are OK with all the above, since the vast majority of people are indeed sheeple, and will either go along with the shenanigans regardless, or have been exhausted into submission by work, tax, fines, threats, fear of losing the little they have, prosecution, imprisonment, etc, etc. So the rulers have nothing to worry about.
6) And if they do have something to worry about, that's OK too, because the adrenalin rush is part of the thrills & spills, the fun. So when they plan an escapade, such as the disappearance of MH370, part of the enjoyment is seeing how far they can go with 'playing the public' for the goons that they are, and still roll about laughing that they haven't been called to account, despite all the clues left behind. Notice how the obvious lies of Bush & bLiar (about WMD) have never led to a summons, let alone a conviction. Rather, they've been constantly feted & rewarded. That's how the whole system has been corrupted.
7) Following on from which; in the distant past they used to cover up their chicanery. It was embarrassing. But lately they've become more & more brazen, actually being sloppy & leaving clues around, just to rub our noses in it. As if to say "You feel lucky today punk? Was it 5 bullets or 6? ... Well, punk? ... Do you feel lucky?" Image
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Re: Obama declares airstrikes on ISIS.

#52  Postby Made of Stars » Aug 10, 2014 12:55 pm

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laklak wrote:If he'd been in charge during WW II we'd have stopped Hitler at the Mississippi.

Not that you didn't take your sweet time about it as it was or anything :lol:

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Re: Obama declares airstrikes on ISIS.

#53  Postby Peter Brown » Aug 10, 2014 2:09 pm

The US really doesn't want involved in this at all


I'm sure someone will milk it for profit, they always do.

The GOP, T-Party and Fox Loons seems rather internet quiet over Obama sending the jets in.
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Re: Obama declares airstrikes on ISIS.

#54  Postby Varangian » Aug 10, 2014 2:23 pm

If this forum had been around 70 years ago, there would have been trolls claiming that the Jews instigated WW2



Unfortunately, there are asshats pushing that nonsense today, many of them the same people who make up the stuff guys like Galaxian and magikrooster post.
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Re: Obama declares airstrikes on ISIS.

#55  Postby Arjan Dirkse » Aug 10, 2014 4:03 pm

I am fine with these airstrikes on ISIS as long as there is a clear objective. I wouldn't mind "boots on the ground" either if it was to help the Iraqi armed forces get rid of this pest.

ISIS will soon be a thing of the past, at least as a real threat. It seems they might have profited from Gulf countries pouring money in to the fight against Assad, but I think that cash flow will be cut off.
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#56  Postby Acetone » Aug 10, 2014 4:05 pm

How come it seems that people who believe conspiracy theories generally believe all conspiracy theories? Mainstream data is wrong on every occasion it would seem.

Is this just a method to make sure that they were right about something once out of every 1,000,000 conspiracy theories rather than just risk being wrong one out of one time?
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Re: Obama declares airstrikes on ISIS.

#57  Postby Animavore » Aug 10, 2014 4:11 pm

Made of Stars wrote:
Animavore wrote:
laklak wrote:If he'd been in charge during WW II we'd have stopped Hitler at the Mississippi.

Not that you didn't take your sweet time about it as it was or anything :lol:

Says the Irishman. :smug:

Lol! I was wondering how long I'd get away with that.
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Re: Obama declares airstrikes on ISIS.

#58  Postby Ihavenofingerprints » Aug 10, 2014 5:08 pm

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Ihavenofingerprints wrote:
We need to accept that there are no shortage of lunatics ready to stick to their word and kill western civilians if countries like the USA step up their presence in the battle.

Don't be a dill. They want to kill you because you via your army have been killing them for years. Why did the australian army go to Iraq of Afghanistan and start killing them. Why do your politicians (and therefore you) support Israel?


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Re: Obama declares airstrikes on ISIS.

#59  Postby chairman bill » Aug 10, 2014 5:37 pm

Galaxian wrote:Don't believe a word of it. ISIS is the surrogate army of the US, UK, NATO, Israel, Saudi, Qatar, etc, in the Middle East. That's why they've never threatened Israel.


Surely not. I saw something on the interwebz that said they were Zionist lizard alien overlords from the plant Zog. If it's on the interwebz it must be true, amirite?
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Re: Obama declares airstrikes on ISIS.

#60  Postby Galaxian » Aug 11, 2014 12:59 pm

Ihavenofingerprints wrote:
magikrooster wrote:
Ihavenofingerprints wrote:
We need to accept that there are no shortage of lunatics ready to stick to their word and kill western civilians if countries like the USA step up their presence in the battle.

Don't be a dill. They want to kill you because you via your army have been killing them for years. Why did the australian army go to Iraq of Afghanistan and start killing them. Why do your politicians (and therefore you) support Israel?
cool story bro not enough goats and dragons

So, magikrooster gives you a perfectly salient reply, but you can't/don't want to understand what he's said. So you resort to, "not enough goats & dragons." Now, I know why there's a nuclear war about to commence...
Several hundred Amerikkkan military bases around the world & their perpetual wars just a coincidence, eh? :think:
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