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Oregon Preparing to Legalize Marijuana in 2014

#1  Postby GT2211 » Oct 30, 2013 3:43 am

http://www.oregonlive.com/mapes/index.s ... ijuan.html

New Approach Oregon said it will first push for legislators to refer their new measure to the November, 2014 ballot. If that doesn't work, the measure's chief petitioner, Anthony Johnson, said his group will have the resources to collect the 87,213 signatures needed to put the initiative before voters.

Washington and Colorado in 2012 became the first states to legalize the drug for recreational purposes. At the same time, Oregon voters rejected a legalization measure that was much looser. It would have, for example, allowed drinking-age adults to possess unlimited amounts of marijuana and an industry-dominated board would have regulated sales.

New Approach Oregon's measure would allow 21-and-over adults to possess up to eight ounces of dried marijuana and four plants. In addition, sales of the drug would be regulated by the Oregon Liquor Control Commission.
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Re: Oregon Preparing to Legalize Marijuana in 2014

#2  Postby FACT-MAN-2 » Oct 30, 2013 3:27 pm

GT2211 wrote:http://www.oregonlive.com/mapes/index.ssf/2013/10/with_national_backing_marijuan.html

New Approach Oregon said it will first push for legislators to refer their new measure to the November, 2014 ballot. If that doesn't work, the measure's chief petitioner, Anthony Johnson, said his group will have the resources to collect the 87,213 signatures needed to put the initiative before voters.

Washington and Colorado in 2012 became the first states to legalize the drug for recreational purposes. At the same time, Oregon voters rejected a legalization measure that was much looser. It would have, for example, allowed drinking-age adults to possess unlimited amounts of marijuana and an industry-dominated board would have regulated sales.

New Approach Oregon's measure would allow 21-and-over adults to possess up to eight ounces of dried marijuana and four plants. In addition, sales of the drug would be regulated by the Oregon Liquor Control Commission.

It's probably inevitable that most States outside the Bible Belt will legalize for recreational use. California will also very likely do this in 2014 and Arizona's probably not far behind. At some point this will force the Federals to change their status of weed and make it legal in the same manner. Given that it should never have been illegal in the first place, this is a good sign that soon most Americans will be able to toke up and enjoy without the threat of arrest and imprisonment.
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#3  Postby The_Piper » Oct 30, 2013 3:33 pm

I read it will be on Maine referendums in 2016. Why 2016 and not the very next one I wonder.
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I might have to move to Oregon in the meantime. 8 zips and 4 plants. That'll be enough for me. :shock:
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#4  Postby trubble76 » Oct 30, 2013 3:43 pm

The_Piper wrote:I read it will be on Maine referendums in 2016. Why 2016 and not the very next one I wonder.
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I might have to move to Oregon in the meantime. 8 zips and 4 plants. That'll be enough for me. :shock:


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#5  Postby The_Piper » Oct 30, 2013 3:48 pm

trubble76 wrote:Need a housemate? :lol:

Sure!
As long as you don't mind my rock collection in the living room. :dopey:

For my 4 plant limit, I could use trash barrels for planting pots, and have a 2 story high greenhouse to grow them.
Better yet, just have a dirt floor in that greenhouse. :smoke:
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#6  Postby FACT-MAN-2 » Oct 30, 2013 4:30 pm

The_Piper wrote:I read it will be on Maine referendums in 2016. Why 2016 and not the very next one I wonder.
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Maybe they need time to gather enough signatures on a referendum petition?

The_Piper wrote:
I might have to move to Oregon in the meantime. 8 zips and 4 plants. That'll be enough for me. :shock:

You'd probably like Oregon, at lleast the Western part of the State (the Eastern part is one vast desert). My eldest son moved there from California and has lived in Eugene nearly his entire adult life and raised a family there. I've always found it to be quite pleasant, if a bit on the wet side. Eugene is a university town and a counter culture hotbed.
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#7  Postby The_Piper » Oct 30, 2013 5:39 pm

FACT-MAN-2 wrote:
The_Piper wrote:I read it will be on Maine referendums in 2016. Why 2016 and not the very next one I wonder.
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Maybe they need time to gather enough signatures on a referendum petition?

The_Piper wrote:
I might have to move to Oregon in the meantime. 8 zips and 4 plants. That'll be enough for me. :shock:

You'd probably like Oregon, at lleast the Western part of the State (the Eastern part is one vast desert). My eldest son moved there from California and has lived in Eugene nearly his entire adult life and raised a family there. I've always found it to be quite pleasant, if a bit on the wet side. Eugene is a university town and a counter culture hotbed.

I'm sure I'd love Oregon. Plenty of scenery and wildlife, huge snows in the mountains, and not as cold as where I live now.
There's one obvious problem though, I don't think they have woodchucks in western Oregon. I'd have to befriend other species of marmots. :evilgrin:
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#8  Postby willhud9 » Oct 30, 2013 5:49 pm

I could move to Oregon. Just not Seattle Salem, damn I made that mistake again. :P
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#9  Postby IAmTheUniverse » Dec 25, 2013 7:23 am

Pot should never have been a schedule I drug in the first place.

As a Libertarian, I don't support the prohibition of any drug.


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#10  Postby SkyMutt » Dec 25, 2013 10:18 am

The_Piper wrote:There's one obvious problem though, I don't think they have woodchucks in western Oregon. I'd have to befriend other species of marmots. :evilgrin:


I think that perhaps you'd find the boomer a.k.a. mountain beaver suitable. They're actually rather interesting varmints, apparently relatives of the squirrels.
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#11  Postby The_Piper » Dec 25, 2013 11:32 am

SkyMutt wrote:
The_Piper wrote:There's one obvious problem though, I don't think they have woodchucks in western Oregon. I'd have to befriend other species of marmots. :evilgrin:


I think that perhaps you'd find the boomer a.k.a. mountain beaver suitable. They're actually rather interesting varmints, apparently relatives of the squirrels.

Certainly suitable for interesting-ness. :smile: Not just because they're considered living fossils among the rodents. Reading more about them, I guess it's rare to see one unfortunately. I'd have to deploy my new snake cam into a burrow. :dopey:
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#12  Postby FACT-MAN-2 » Dec 29, 2013 7:24 pm

The_Piper wrote:
trubble76 wrote:Need a housemate? :lol:

Sure!

As long as you don't mind my rock collection in the living room. :dopey:

For my 4 plant limit, I could use trash barrels for planting pots, and have a 2 story high greenhouse to grow them.
Better yet, just have a dirt floor in that greenhouse. :smoke:

A two-story growing space is actually not necessary to grow MJ, an 8 foot ceiling height will do. And trash barrels would be overkill because a 12 inch tall pot about 15 inches in diameter is all that's needed. Still, growing out doors is much preferred, plants enjoy sunlight over grow lights and saves a ton of electricity.

You can grow them in your garden. Anyone asks, tell them they're "Japanese Marigolds." ;)
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#13  Postby Steve » Dec 29, 2013 7:32 pm

The_Piper wrote:I read it will be on Maine referendums in 2016. Why 2016 and not the very next one I wonder.

Low turnout in non presidential elections. Higher turnouts will favor the legislation. CA was going to wait, but the CA AG has crunched the numbers and sees a .5 billion dollar benefit to legalizing weed, so it looks like they may try 2014.
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#14  Postby theropod » Dec 29, 2013 11:32 pm

FACT-MAN-2 wrote:
The_Piper wrote:
trubble76 wrote:Need a housemate? :lol:

Sure!

As long as you don't mind my rock collection in the living room. :dopey:

For my 4 plant limit, I could use trash barrels for planting pots, and have a 2 story high greenhouse to grow them.
Better yet, just have a dirt floor in that greenhouse. :smoke:

A two-story growing space is actually not necessary to grow MJ, an 8 foot ceiling height will do. And trash barrels would be overkill because a 12 inch tall pot about 15 inches in diameter is all that's needed. Still, growing out doors is much preferred, plants enjoy sunlight over grow lights and saves a ton of electricity.

You can grow them in your garden. Anyone asks, tell them they're "Japanese Marigolds." ;)



RE Indoor growing;

Except a grow room can be charged with CO2, bugs can be eliminated, and birds won't shit on them, deer won't eat them, hail and wind storms are no threat, the humidity can be controlled (and soil moisture content controlled if not employing hydrophonic methods), the hours of light can be set, there is no seasonal "down time" and no drifting pollen from a male plant in the area will ruin your crop. The best pot I've ever seen has consistently been produced indoors.

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#15  Postby FACT-MAN-2 » Dec 30, 2013 1:05 am

theropod wrote:
FACT-MAN-2 wrote:
The_Piper wrote:
trubble76 wrote:Need a housemate? :lol:

Sure!

As long as you don't mind my rock collection in the living room. :dopey:

For my 4 plant limit, I could use trash barrels for planting pots, and have a 2 story high greenhouse to grow them.
Better yet, just have a dirt floor in that greenhouse. :smoke:

A two-story growing space is actually not necessary to grow MJ, an 8 foot ceiling height will do. And trash barrels would be overkill because a 12 inch tall pot about 15 inches in diameter is all that's needed. Still, growing out doors is much preferred, plants enjoy sunlight over grow lights and saves a ton of electricity.

You can grow them in your garden. Anyone asks, tell them they're "Japanese Marigolds." ;)

RE Indoor growing;

Except a grow room can be charged with CO2, bugs can be eliminated, and birds won't shit on them, deer won't eat them, hail and wind storms are no threat, the humidity can be controlled (and soil moisture content controlled if not employing hydrophonic methods), the hours of light can be set, there is no seasonal "down time" and no drifting pollen from a male plant in the area will ruin your crop. The best pot I've ever seen has consistently been produced indoors.

All at least generally true but the risks are minimal. I've grown both indoors and out and never suffered the downsides you mention in my outdoor crops in 20 years of growing.

Spider mites can be harder to manage than you may think, and the electricity costs can become burdensome. And if there are deer in your area, your garden needs to be fenced anyway. Photo period can be controlled by having your plants under frames over which black plastic sheeting can be thrown so you get 12 hours of sunlight when in bud mode. If you grow enough outdoors during a summer, you don't have to be concened about seasonal changes.

There are good arguments both ways. I grew indoors until our eletricity rates increased and drove me outdoors.
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#16  Postby The_Piper » Dec 30, 2013 9:26 am

I was joking about the trash barrels and 2 story greenhouse. But trash barrels for pots would yield more than smaller buckets, and a greenhouse would yield more than an HID light. Plants can be grown to 12 feet. Perhaps more, I dunno. :)

Both outdoors and indoors have their advantages.
Where I am, indoor would be better because the growing season is over by Sept 15. It doesn't go over 70 much after that, and it goes below freezing a lot, including hard freezes sometimes.
You can't put it out until June 1, or you risk the chance of possible frosts.
Plus the nightly dews all summer long wreak havoc with the mold. By Sept 1 the sun is at a lower angle, and that dew might linger all day in shady areas.
People do get away with putting it out in early May and leaving it until October, but they lose a lot to mold and frost.
And it's one of the cloudier places in the lower 48. The city of Caribou (Pop. 9000) makes the top 20 list for cloudiest US cities.
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Fences and frames stand out and bring attention to the plants, they're not an option until it's completely legal.
Medicinal patients aren't allowed to grow outdoors, afaik.
All that said nothing beats the natural sun for a light source, even in a cloudy place. And the air circulation.

I think a greenhouse would be the best of both worlds. If it were legal I'd try that first.
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#17  Postby FACT-MAN-2 » Dec 30, 2013 7:03 pm

The_Piper wrote:I was joking about the trash barrels and 2 story greenhouse. But trash barrels for pots would yield more than smaller buckets, and a greenhouse would yield more than an HID light. Plants can be grown to 12 feet. Perhaps more, I dunno. :)

Generally however, the bigger the plant the less THC you get in them. Twenty smaller plants will yield better quality bud than four 12 footers.

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Both outdoors and indoors have their advantages.
Where I am, indoor would be better because the growing season is over by Sept 15. It doesn't go over 70 much after that, and it goes below freezing a lot, including hard freezes sometimes.

You can't put it out until June 1, or you risk the chance of possible frosts.

Plus the nightly dews all summer long wreak havoc with the mold. By Sept 1 the sun is at a lower angle, and that dew might linger all day in shady areas.

People do get away with putting it out in early May and leaving it until October, but they lose a lot to mold and frost.

And it's one of the cloudier places in the lower 48. The city of Caribou (Pop. 9000) makes the top 20 list for cloudiest US cities.
Slugs love this place, due to the wetness, and they preferentially love cannabis plants. Almost as much as they love moose shit. :mrgreen:

Fences and frames stand out and bring attention to the plants, they're not an option until it's completely legal.
Medicinal patients aren't allowed to grow outdoors, afaik.

All that said nothing beats the natural sun for a light source, even in a cloudy place. And the air circulation.

I think a greenhouse would be the best of both worlds. If it were legal I'd try that first.

Most likely this would be your best bet.

I'm far enough out in the boondocls not to have to worry about my grow boxes being seen by strangers. I had six grow boxes, each five feet by twelve, with plastic pipe frames in the shape of a bow. They were made of 2 x 12s; the plastic pipe frames were set of a three foot center and were about four feet in height. I grew 50 plants in each box for a total of 300 plants, none of which ever grew to more than three feet in height, more or less.

Our season is such that I could plant seedlings (5 to 8 inches in height) during the second week of May, let them grow for about a month-and-a-half, and then adjust the photo period to 12 hours to induce them into budding. I'd leave them in bud mode until mid-September and then harvest. MJ plants will mature in 90-100 days.

That would yield about one OZ. of cured bud per plant, or 300 ounces, or about 18 pounds, although it varied between 15 and 20 pounds. At $2,500 a pound, this would being in about $45,000, more or less. My buyers came from prairie Canada. I'd meet them at a local cafe, deliver the goods and accept payment, always in cash. They never came to my home.

My fenced garden is quite large, about 100 feet by 250 feet. My grow boxes were located along one edge where the adjacent forest came right up to the fence. I planted Jerusalem Artichoke along the inner edge as camoflage; it grew to six feet or more very quickly and was too thick to see through, and very close in coloration to MJ plants.

I operated this set up for 20 years and it nearly always went as smooth as silk. In some years I did suffer issues with mold, although it was never extensive.

I think how one goes about this kind of thing depends on the situation and circumstances one faces and the lay of their land.

The biggest risk I faced was helicopter patrols, and though they comnonly flew over this valley, they always seemed to be more interested in the other side than my side. They never flew directly over my place, lucky me.

In the beginning I operated a 12 by 18 foot grow room within the confines of my shop building, which is 26 feet by 26 feet. This was a hydroponic set up using four 1,000 watt and two 500 watt lights. I operated this for about ten years before our rate for juice became too high and I changed up to growing out doors.

My growing days ended about three years ago when prices fell to below $2K a pound and were trending down. I decided I'd done enough growing in my life and dismantled my outdoor grow setup. Since then, all I've done is grow a few plants for my own consumption.

It was good while it lasted and I have absolutely no complaints.
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