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Re: Soldier beheaded in Woolwich, London

#341  Postby mrjonno » May 26, 2013 10:04 am

NineBerry wrote:Muslim bigot or antimuslim bigot? As if there is any difference.. ;-)


Yes only one can bring down liberal democracy and it sure isnt bigotry from the to 1-5% of the population of European countries that are muslims
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#342  Postby NineBerry » May 26, 2013 10:16 am

There's also liberal democracy or a hope for liberal democracy in majority Muslim countries...
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#343  Postby mrjonno » May 26, 2013 10:25 am

NineBerry wrote:There's also liberal democracy or a hope for liberal democracy in majority Muslim countries...


That's many generations off unfortunately, democracy is extremely strained anywhere where a lot of the population are religious
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#344  Postby monkeyboy » May 26, 2013 10:26 am

Sorry, should have said, the occasion I referred to was one of an anti Muslim bigot. I'm not sure it would have made much difference.
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#345  Postby johnbrandt » May 26, 2013 10:47 am

Islam is a small minority of the population...but a minority who are extremely vocal, and push hard to ensure they are well protected by laws that a gullible government puts in place for them to protect their fragile little religious sensibilities and beliefs from any and all criticism...not to mention a basic philosophy that our culture has to change to suit them, rather than the other way around like every other wave of immigrants in the past who did their best to adapt and fit in...

Amazingly, Russia's Vladimir Putin is the only leader who seems willing to come out and basically say "fit in and respect our laws"...
"We must create the conditions for immigrants to normally integrate into our society, learn Russian and, of course, respect our culture and traditions and abide by Russian law. In this regard, I believe that the decision to make learning the Russian language compulsory and administer exams is well grounded. To do so, we will need to carry out major organisational work and introduce corresponding legislative amendments."

This is the actual speech he made...there's a fake one, much longer, getting around where he says if you want to live under Sharia law, go to a country where that is the norm.
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Re: Soldier beheaded in Woolwich, London

#346  Postby mrjonno » May 26, 2013 10:56 am

Hmm Russia which even with its current borders is a large empire which ethnic groups conquered other ethnic groups expecting everyone to speak the same language is a bit much
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#347  Postby DougC » May 26, 2013 10:58 am

Meanwhile.
"Knife attack on soldier in Paris treated as terrorism" - B.B.C.
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#348  Postby NineBerry » May 26, 2013 11:01 am

johnbrandt wrote:Islam is a small minority of the population...but a minority who are extremely vocal, and push hard to ensure they are well protected by laws that a gullible government puts in place for them to protect their fragile little religious sensibilities and beliefs from any and all criticism...not to mention a basic philosophy that our culture has to change to suit them, rather than the other way around like every other wave of immigrants in the past who did their best to adapt and fit in...


Young people are a small minority of the population...but a minority who are extremely vocal, and push hard to ensure they are well protected by laws that a gullible government puts in place for them to protect their fragile little revolutionary sensibilities and beliefs from any and all criticism...not to mention a basic philosophy that our culture has to change to suit them, rather than the other way around like every other generation in the past who did their best to adapt and fit in...

Like that you mean?
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#349  Postby NineBerry » May 26, 2013 11:04 am

Russia where homosexuals are repressed because they don't want to "respect culture and traditions" and refuse to "Integrate into society"?
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#350  Postby the_5th_ape » May 26, 2013 3:51 pm

How MI5 blackmails British Muslims: ''Work for us or we will say you are a terrorist'


Five Muslim community workers have accused MI5 of waging a campaign of blackmail and harassment in an attempt to recruit them as informants.

The men claim they were given a choice of working for the Security Service or face detention and harassment in the UK and overseas.

They have made official complaints to the police, to the body which oversees the work of the Security Service and to their local MP Frank Dobson. Now they have decided to speak publicly about their experiences in the hope that publicity will stop similar tactics being used in the future.
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Re: Soldier beheaded in Woolwich, London

#351  Postby mrjonno » May 26, 2013 4:20 pm

Why can't people just accept if someone wants to go up to some in the middle of a city and murder them then there is absolutely nothing that can be realistically be done.

Sure you might be able intercept a planned bombing if it involves lots of people but you are never going to be stop a loony running over someone and stabbing them to death with no interest in being able to get away with it
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#352  Postby Varangian » May 26, 2013 4:45 pm

If he had driven a tank, it would never have happened.
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Re: Soldier beheaded in Woolwich, London

#353  Postby mrjonno » May 26, 2013 5:21 pm

Varangian wrote:If he had driven a tank, it would never have happened.


Limited visibility and not being in a warzone I'm sure it wouldnt have been too hard to do some damage to the tank, in fact just grab a soldier not in a tank and stick him in front of the tank and squashed soldier
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Re: Soldier beheaded in Woolwich, London

#354  Postby the_5th_ape » May 26, 2013 6:42 pm

Man Stabbed Near Site Of Woolwich Murder
http://news.sky.com/story/1095844/man-s ... ich-murder


Woolwich murder probe: suspect Michael Adebolajo held in Kenya in 2010
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22673164
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Re: Soldier beheaded in Woolwich, London

#355  Postby PCS » May 26, 2013 7:01 pm

mrjonno wrote:
chairman bill wrote:
paret0 wrote:I'd wager that whole sentry platoon is still getting smoked right now because they didn't see it.


The RA/RHA sentries would be patrolling behind big fuck-off walls, or at the entrance gates. The attack didn't take place outside any of the gates, and not being blessed with the ability to see through walls (they'd be working for the SRR or the intelligence services if they could), I'm not sure how else they'd have known about it at the time. So, I expect they're royally fucked off, but no one is giving them a beasting over it.


A peace time army barracks in a city isnt even particularly secure anyway, its not really designed to prevent any sort of significant armed attack its main job is to give soldiers somewhere to sleep and to make sure no one breaks into to nick anything.


That's what I was thinking...

In the Massereene Barracks shooting in 2009 two Real IRA members did walk up to the doors where Patrick Azimkar and Mark Quinsey were collecting their pizzas unarmed. Real IRA fired over 60 shots in about 30 seconds killing the two soldiers and wounding two other soldiers and pizza delivery guys. Patrick, Mark and other security had no time to react; this is Northern Ireland which is arguably less safe than London for British soldiers so I wouldn't be surprised if the security in these Barracks in London were to be minimal and the outcome of these events similar had they occurred straight outside the main doors.
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#356  Postby pensioner » May 26, 2013 8:04 pm

I live 200 yards from the only mosque in York which has been targeted and vandalised by racist shits in the past. Us on the left found out that the English Defence League (racist bastards) were going to picket the mosque today for obvious reasons. Myself and two of my sons joined a picket line to defend the Muslims against the racists scum.

A few of the bastards did turn up but they were outnumbered ten to one and they runaway. This is a photo I took.

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Re: Soldier beheaded in Woolwich, London

#357  Postby sandinista » May 26, 2013 8:05 pm

mrjonno wrote:
NineBerry wrote:There's also liberal democracy or a hope for liberal democracy in majority Muslim countries...


That's many generations off unfortunately, democracy is extremely strained anywhere where a lot of the population are religious


"liberal democracy" is just another term for capitalism, has nothing to do with "democracy". The only people that want a liberal democracy are the rich and the naive.
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Re: Soldier beheaded in Woolwich, London

#358  Postby virphen » May 26, 2013 8:11 pm

pensioner wrote:I live 200 yards from the only mosque in York which has been targeted and vandalised by racist shits in the past. Us on the left found out that the English Defence League (racist bastards) were going to picket the mosque today for obvious reasons. Myself and two of my sons joined a picket line to defend the Muslims against the racists scum.

A few of the bastards did turn up but they were outnumbered ten to one and they runaway. This is a photo I took.


Good job!
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#359  Postby Scarlett » May 26, 2013 8:12 pm

virphen wrote:
pensioner wrote:I live 200 yards from the only mosque in York which has been targeted and vandalised by racist shits in the past. Us on the left found out that the English Defence League (racist bastards) were going to picket the mosque today for obvious reasons. Myself and two of my sons joined a picket line to defend the Muslims against the racists scum.

A few of the bastards did turn up but they were outnumbered ten to one and they runaway. This is a photo I took.


Good job!


Yea, I was just about to say 'Nice one ol' fella :thumbup: '
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Re: Soldier beheaded in Woolwich, London

#360  Postby NineBerry » May 26, 2013 9:07 pm

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A few of the bastards did turn up but they were outnumbered ten to one and they runaway.


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