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The Australian Parliament Passes Marriage Equality

#1  Postby Spinozasgalt » Dec 07, 2017 7:17 am

After years of hard-fought advocacy, over 20 failed bills, and an extraordinary, unprecedented national postal survey, same-sex marriage has finally become the law of the land in Australia.

Hundreds of LGBTI advocates and couples who have been waiting years for this moment watched on from the public gallery, sometimes raucously, as the House of Representatives passed a historic vote in favour of change on Thursday evening.

The passage of the bill brings Australia's marriage laws in line with most other Western democracies, including New Zealand, England, Canada and the United States. It is the result of a campaign running in earnest since 2004.

The bill, penned by senator Dean Smith, passed the House of Representatives with no substantive amendments, three weeks after it was revealed 62% of Australians had voted "yes" in the national survey.

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#2  Postby Macdoc » Dec 07, 2017 8:32 pm

It's about time....ironic it's the right wing taking credit .... :what: :coffee:
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#3  Postby Spinozasgalt » Dec 07, 2017 10:54 pm

Well, Turnbull saw a chance to use the LGBTQIA+ community as a club against the more conservative factions in his party. He'll happily take the credit for it, but all he did was get out of the way. And even that had an ulterior motive, so he's garbage. And I'd vomit on him if I could.
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#4  Postby Matt_B » Dec 08, 2017 1:28 am

I think Turnbull deserves a genuine pat on the back here, for threading the needle on the realpolitik required to get this into law. Half his own party didn't want it, Labor didn't want the postal vote, and the Yes campaign had to deal with a downright bitter No campaign whose arguments bordered on the surreal. Yet, here we are.

That won't necessarily save him for selling the country down the shitter on other issues though, and certain other right-wing politicians have done nothing but prove themselves to be sick fucks for their parts in the No campaign. As a whole they're coming out of this as both divided and divisive.

Labor could probably be a bit more triumphal though if they hadn't spent their last six years in power doing jack shit about it, and only coming out strongly in support once they were back in opposition.
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#5  Postby rplatell » Dec 08, 2017 3:38 am

:this:

Labor had six years to pass this legislation but did nothing. When Julia Gillard was PM she had the opportunity to act but instead voiced her opposition to same sex marriage: "For our culture, for our heritage, the Marriage Act and marriage being between a man and a woman has a special status" she stated in 2011. Funny how she changed her tune once Labor were back in opposition (so who exactly is the political opportunist here?).

Turnbull, on the other hand, for all his faults has always been a strong supporter of marriage equality. The realities of a strong conservative faction within the Liberal and National parties made it hard for him to bring this to fruition, and I think he should be given full credit for the way in which he engineered the entire process - from establishing a policy of a free vote for Liberal MP's following a plebiscite in support of marriage equality, to actually getting that plebiscite done (despite Labor's best efforts to prevent that from happening), then achieving a resounding "Yes" vote, and within a month of the result getting the legislation through both houses and enshrined into law. You may not like his other policies, but on this issue he was definitely for the Win.
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#6  Postby Spinozasgalt » Dec 08, 2017 9:01 am

No, he gets no credit from me. And I suspect a lot of LGBTQIA+ people, campaigners, and supporters feel the same.

I don't much care if he claims to have supported us. Words are cheap. He positioned us as begging a majority to grant us our rights and stipulated that if we failed to convince enough people then we wouldn't receive them. That's not respecting us and it's not supporting us. It's saying his support for us is contingent on everyone else supporting us. That's not even good liberalism; it's saying our rights depend on the opinions and whims of the majority of the population. And he didn't achieve a Yes. He wasn't the Yes campaign. He lent us a couple of pithy words against Abbott and his cohorts now and then and an assurance of his vote. Which...yeah...great. Put us in the situation of fighting for our rights and then tell us, "Go get 'em, guys!" He couldn't even acknowledge the harm the survey had done to us, because it would detract from his position and his victory. Instead, he gloated in his speech to the House about what a historical and successful undertaking the survey was because of its turnout, and about what a terrific thing he'd done.

He doesn't get to purchase stability for himself in his party with our well-being and get a thank you for it. He can fuck off and choke.
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#7  Postby rplatell » Dec 08, 2017 10:22 am

Bollocks. Turnbull went to the electorate promising a plebiscite on the issue if he was re-elected and he delivered on his promise, despite Labor's efforts to undermine that process. Far from being divisive and causing us harm, I believe the results of the postal survey have been a huge benefit to the gay community. If anything it has served to show what a broad level of support there is for equality in the general population. Suddenly the bigots and religious freaks realised that they were a small minority and they've all gone very quiet. The only hassle that me and my partner had during the debate was the constant comments from friends & family along the lines of "when are you getting married then?" and "so can we come to your wedding?" (we have no intention of getting married - have survived 30 years together without it so see no need for it now).

And what did Labor do for gay marriage?

Labor sided with John Howard in 2004 when he inserted into federal legislation the need for a married couple to be a man and a woman. In 2010 under Julia Gillard, Labor promised not to sponsor same sex marriage. The ALP conference of 2011 allowed a conscience vote on the issue, and a gay marriage bill was defeated in 2012 with senior Labor members including Gillard, Tony Burke, Ed Husic and Joel Fitzgibbon voting against it.


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So in my opinion, Shorten and his leftie mates can fuck off and choke too.
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#8  Postby Tracer Tong » Dec 08, 2017 12:32 pm

Spinozasgalt wrote:
After years of hard-fought advocacy, over 20 failed bills, and an extraordinary, unprecedented national postal survey, same-sex marriage has finally become the law of the land in Australia.

Hundreds of LGBTI advocates and couples who have been waiting years for this moment watched on from the public gallery, sometimes raucously, as the House of Representatives passed a historic vote in favour of change on Thursday evening.

The passage of the bill brings Australia's marriage laws in line with most other Western democracies, including New Zealand, England, Canada and the United States. It is the result of a campaign running in earnest since 2004.

The bill, penned by senator Dean Smith, passed the House of Representatives with no substantive amendments, three weeks after it was revealed 62% of Australians had voted "yes" in the national survey.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/lanesainty/its ... ourQV567Px


I wonder how many homosexual marriages will now be contracted.
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#9  Postby Spinozasgalt » Dec 08, 2017 1:07 pm

@rplatell

If you didn't get hassled, that's good. Others did, and then others found the whole process demoralizing. That campaigners were successful, or that Australians confirmed what polls had told us beforehand, doesn't change that.

I'm not a Labor supporter, so... But I'm happy that they undermined the process. And I'm happier that they, along with the Greens and several Liberals and others, voted down conservative and religious amendments that Turnbull was happy to support in the House. And I would've been even happier if we'd never had the survey.
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#10  Postby Thommo » Dec 08, 2017 1:20 pm

Congratulations Australia.
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#11  Postby johnbrandt » Dec 09, 2017 8:56 am

Start out by saying I voted "Yes"...

HOWEVER, there is a huge issue at the moment...people didn't know what exactly they were voting for. It was merely a "survey" and not a vote, and was carefully worded so no sensible person would say No...it merely asked about "equality". But there was zero detail given on what, exactly, the changes would be in the law. There was concern that once you change the basis of what society accepts and understands as "a marriage" then why not change it some more later to include things that would never have been accepted before?
There is a fair bit of evidence that if the vote were taken again, knowing what would be changed, the outcome would be very different. There is also a niggling doubt as we wait to see what else is going to be asked for next...within days of the vote some people were saying maybe we should look at polygamy laws, as well as more "cultural understanding" of child bride bullshit as islam loves so much. We'll wait and see.
Despite the assurances that people would still be able to hold their own personal views for whatever reason...personal, religious, cultural, etc...and choose not to marry a gay couple, it turns out now the protections will be very weak, and you just know there will be activists doing their hardest to get their five minutes of fame to attempt to find someone who refuses to marry them because of their sexuality.
My own son is a prime example...he's gay, big deal, we could care less, we still love him and his amazing partner. However, he and his partner went to get some photos taken, and the woman refused as she said she didn't approve of homosexuality for religious reasons. instead of shrugging and going to one of the hundred other photographers around the town, they went straight to the local TV station and newspapers and got onto social media, and started a campaign against the woman. After hounding from the local TV and paper and some quite nasty and threatening anger on social media on the womans business page, she shut down her business and gave it away. They then went and got the pictures taken somewhere else.
My son is quite proud of this.

We're not. :nono:
I thought the "tolerant and loving" left and activist groups promised people could still keep their own beliefs?

The sideshow in parliament was also shameful...for once, in an unprecedented display, the government said this one issue was "the most improtant facing the nation" and that they would not rise for the christmas/new years break as usual, but would "stay sitting until it was passed into law, no matter how long it took".
Seeing the urgency with which this matter was undertaken for a mere 3% of the population (going by the last census), then a lot of people are asking if perhaps they could use similar urgency about skyrocketing electricity and fuel prices, unemployment, crime, and other issues that affect the other 97% of the population.... :coffee:
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#12  Postby Agi Hammerthief » Dec 09, 2017 9:01 am

and other issues that also affect the other 97% of the population....
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#13  Postby johnbrandt » Dec 09, 2017 9:33 am

Agi Hammerthief wrote:
and other issues that also affect the other 97% of the population....
fify

"Fifty"? You don't mean "percent" do you?

In fact, those who say they are homosexual has been on the up since 2008 when 2.4 per cent of the population agreed with the statement: ‘I consider myself a homosexual.’ By 2011 that figure was 3.1 per cent. And by 2014 the figure had risen to 3.4 per cent.

https://www.nowtolove.com.au/health/sex/what-percentage-of-the-population-is-gay-more-than-you-think-17267
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#14  Postby Spinozasgalt » Dec 09, 2017 11:02 am

johnbrandt wrote:Start out by saying I voted "Yes"...

HOWEVER

I stopped reading at this point.
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#15  Postby BlackBart » Dec 09, 2017 11:10 am

johnbrandt wrote:
Agi Hammerthief wrote:
and other issues that also affect the other 97% of the population....
fify

"Fifty"? You don't mean "percent" do you?

In fact, those who say they are homosexual has been on the up since 2008 when 2.4 per cent of the population agreed with the statement: ‘I consider myself a homosexual.’ By 2011 that figure was 3.1 per cent. And by 2014 the figure had risen to 3.4 per cent.

https://www.nowtolove.com.au/health/sex/what-percentage-of-the-population-is-gay-more-than-you-think-17267


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#16  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Dec 09, 2017 12:27 pm

johnbrandt wrote:
I thought the "tolerant and loving" left and activist groups promised people could still keep their own beliefs?

They can. There is no possible way, short of brainwashing, to forcibly change a persons beliefs.
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#17  Postby NineBerry » Dec 09, 2017 12:46 pm

I think we shouldn't allow JohnBrandt to post here. I mean, when we allow him to post here, what will be next?!? Next, we'll allow dogs, cows or bacteria to post here as well!!!!
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#18  Postby NineBerry » Dec 09, 2017 12:52 pm

Ummmm.

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Yeah, I can see how this survey was clearly made too imprecise in order to trick people into voting for something they didn't actually want.
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#19  Postby Spinozasgalt » Dec 10, 2017 12:10 am

:lol:
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#20  Postby The_Metatron » Dec 10, 2017 11:06 pm

Spinozasgalt wrote:
johnbrandt wrote:Start out by saying I voted "Yes"...

HOWEVER

I stopped reading at this point.

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