felltoearth wrote:

proudfootz wrote:Here's someone who's been spending a lot of time thinking about the case!

Holy Crap! 6 parts!

proudfootz wrote:After Deflategate, I wouldn't put anything past a professional sports team!

proudfootz wrote:I don't know - I don't follow American Football politics.

Watching what the police did to Brendan Dassey it's difficult to put much faith in the people who cobbled together this case.

purplerat wrote:

proudfootz wrote:I don't know - I don't follow American Football politics.

Watching what the police did to Brendan Dassey it's difficult to put much faith in the people who cobbled together this case.

The said thing about what happened to Dassey is that it's not a conspiracy at all. It's business as usual for police. They did what they did while they recorded it. Multiple times. And turned it over to the defense as if Dassey just walked in and confessed no questions asked.

I think they really thought he was involved and weren't going to believe anything different so they screwed him over. But that happens everyday and doesn't require a conspiracy. It does however raise questions about how that could happen alongside some grand conspiracy to frame Avery. While I think the average cop would screw over somebody they believed was guilty I find it very hard to believe a cop with no stake in doing so would setup a 16 year old for a crime they know the kid didn't commit, especially when they already have somebody else to pin it on.

Simple Definition of conspiracy

: a secret plan made by two or more people to do something that is harmful or illegal

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/conspiracy

purplerat wrote:That's bare bones to the point of making the term meaningless. By your definition of "Two or more people working in concert" me and two coworkers collaborating on a project together would be a conspiracy.

The simple definition from MW adds two key components of being secretive and harmful, but what happened to Dassey only fits the latter. It definitely wasn't secretive. The recorded everything they did with him and promptly released it. You could even argue against what they were doing being intended to be harmful if they really believed he was involved. Especially his own lawyer and investigator as they were trying to get him a plea deal. The way things ultimately turned out Dassey would just about be out now if he'd taken the deal they were offering him.

proudfootz wrote:To use an example: suppose my friend and I build a bomb - for the 'greater good' of course - and release a video tape of us building the bomb after it explodes killing several innocent people.

What word other than 'conspiracy' would better describe what was going on?

Conspiracy has been defined in the United States as an agreement of two or more people to commit a crime, or to accomplish a legal end through illegal actions.[21][22] A conspiracy does not need to have been planned in secret to meet the definition of the crime.

Steve Avery's New Attorney Is Going Hard After the Cops She Says Framed Him

http://www.newsweek.com/2016/04/08/kath ... 41470.html

Teague wrote:

Steve Avery's New Attorney Is Going Hard After the Cops She Says Framed Him

http://www.newsweek.com/2016/04/08/kath ... 41470.html

I don't have time to read it now, it rambles.

Asked whether she would seek a new trial, she says, “No, don’t want to do that. Not my style. I told [Avery], ‘I’m a sprinter. I’m not a long-distance runner.’” Her goal always is to vacate the conviction and have her client walk.

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Zellner says the biggest piece of evidence she’s uncovered is the cellphone records that show Halbach left Avery’s property before she was killed—which Strang and Buting never brought up at trial. The state says Avery shot Halbach in his garage and then burned her body in the Avery family’s salvage yard. “So it’s absolutely shocking to see cellphone records that were part of the discovery that were turned over to the defense...document her route leaving the property. She goes back the same way she came, she’s 12 miles from the property on the last ping,” Zellner says. “They screwed it up.” Zellner also tells Newsweek that the defense team apparently didn’t realize that Daylight Savings Time ended on October 30, 2005—and that not all cellphones reset automatically—which meant that their timeline for the two independent witnesses who saw Halbach leave the Avery property was off by an hour.

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Zellner likens her strategy to what she learned as a child reading those martial arts instruction books back in Oklahoma. “If you think of the concept of using your opponent’s strength against them, it’s kind of similar to a lot of the stuff I’ve done.” She says that Manitowoc police planted the evidence against Avery, and she hopes to detect that misconduct using physical clues she thinks they left behind: “They used forensic science to convict [Avery], and I’d be using it to convict them of planting the evidence.”